Colin Cowherd ridicules the idea that Aaron Rodgers is comparable to Tom Brady

SalemPats said:

Aaron Rodgers is a great QB and is the 2nd best QB in the league behind TB. His accuracy, especially on the move is amazing. He leads receivers extremely well and guys like Cobb YAC is a credit to ARod.

Saying that, Brady is in a separate tier. Rodgers takes too many hits and holds on to the ball a bit too long. He takes a long time to use his dump offs rather than doing a quick read.

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/agree.

One of the best articles written about this after the Denver game. Packers don't have a deep threat (Jordy Nelson) and they haven't made the adjustments to deal with it. He specifically cites the use of ISO routes as something that worked in the past but isn't working this year. This paragraph is the nail on the head:

"The best example of this is Tom Brady and the Patriots. They have the most complete “man-beater” repertoire in the NFL. Not coincidentally, they also have the league’s most challenging passing game to match up against. And they probably have the league’s healthiest quarterback right now. Brady is able to consistently get the ball out in less time than it takes to read this sentence."


http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2015/11/02/...kers-offense-problems-broncos-loss-nfl-week-8

Joker said:

yeah...nice "rebuttal". I love you enemy team pukes. Here it is in a nutshell pal, and you'll still probably NEVER see it...Rodgers IS a great QB...hell there are a number of great/good quarterbacks in the NFL. There is no quarterback in the NFL that has EVER faced the pressure, the stacked deck, the daily public attacks on his character, the constant wild eyed media assaults and the overwhelming hatred and wishes for failure that Tom Brady has faced. When I see a Rodgers or a Manning or a Wilson perform at a zenith under THIS constant pressure, perhaps I'll listen to your fanboy platitudes.

Until then, child...please.

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I don't disagree with anything you've written concerning the Brady/Rogers comparison. But expatpack wrote a well reasoned post that on just a few points disagreed with our POV. He went out of his way to admit that Rodgers isn't at Brady's level ...yet. A rebuttal was fine, but I just don't think he deserved the venom he was shown.

ExpatPack said:

/agree.

One of the best articles written about this after the Denver game. Packers don't have a deep threat (Jordy Nelson) and they haven't made the adjustments to deal with it. He specifically cites the use of ISO routes as something that worked in the past but isn't working this year. This paragraph is the nail on the head:

"The best example of this is Tom Brady and the Patriots. They have the most complete “man-beater” repertoire in the NFL. Not coincidentally, they also have the league’s most challenging passing game to match up against. And they probably have the league’s healthiest quarterback right now. Brady is able to consistently get the ball out in less time than it takes to read this sentence."


http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2015/11/02/...kers-offense-problems-broncos-loss-nfl-week-8

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What the Denver/GB game showed me was that GB's offensive coaching staff isn't a match for Josh McDaniels. Just look at what the Pats have done to great defenses in recent years. They get stuffed. They adjust. And then patiently cut through them like butter.

Just watch later this month when the Pats will show you what McCarthy SHOULD have prepared, when faced with a physically superior defense like Denver. This isn't about not having Nelson. It is not about a lack of a deep threat. The Pats don't have one. They've never had one, except for the 3 Moss years.

Aaron is a great qb but he is very overrated. The year he won the sb wasnt even all him. I remember vividly that Starks caught fire and they rode him. Their entire offense dies without a running game while ours flourish under those circumstances.

Rodgers doesnt read defenses the way true elite qbs do. His mobility hides this fact. Ive seen him surprised by blitzes frequently but he evades them and makes a big play the way Ben and Wilson do. Almost all offenses do well when you find away to have more than 5 seconds to throw the ball.

He rarely has shown the ability to methodically pick a superior defense apart strictly passing and that is a reason why they have so few comeback victories. Part of the blame can go to the O coordinator.

Also, the mobility that takes his game to that amazing next level is sort of a double edged sword. Mobile qbs get hurt and he is no exception. Last year it was the calf and previous years a concussion etc. If Rodgers were to tear his acl, he might turn into RG3 lol.

Like I said, he is all around amazing but if you ignore his scrambling you will see holes that clearly put him below Brady. If Brady had atleast a 4.9 40 foot speed this wouldnt even be a convo lol.

Aaron Rodgers is a good qb. He lost one game magnificently and he all of a sudden is no good. It is just like last year with Brady, after the kc game people wanted to bench or trade him. Brady is the best but Rodgers is not bad. Don't let a bad game define him, I would still take him over manning. People need to relax. I can only imagine how our fanbase would react if Brady failed miserably when we play Denver. All the bandwagon people will probably want him benched while true fans will know he will be still lead us to a championship, but that won't happen because we are going to blow them out at their house.

No one is saying Rodgers isn't a good QB, we are just sick of him being called the best in the NFL, one of the best ever, yada yada.

He's good, but I don't think he is even top 5 in the league, let alone an all time great.
Brady is obviously in a different league, but id perennially put Bree's and Rivers ahead of him, probably Big Ben to. This year with the way Dalton and Palmer are playing, Rodgers is hovering at the bottom of the top 10. I also take Manni g over him if it wasn't for the neck injury and old age catching up fast.

It amazes me how people often forget about Brees. I take him everyday of the week over Rodgers.

Satchboogie3 said:

No one is saying Rodgers isn't a good QB, we are just sick of him being called the best in the NFL, one of the best ever, yada yada.

He's good, but I don't think he is even top 5 in the league, let alone an all time great.
Brady is obviously in a different league, but id perennially put Bree's and Rivers ahead of him, probably Big Ben to. This year with the way Dalton and Palmer are playing, Rodgers is hovering at the bottom of the top 10. I also take Manni g over him if it wasn't for the neck injury and old age catching up fast.

It amazes me how people often forget about Brees. I take him everyday of the week over Rodgers.

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You seriously don't think Rodgers is in the top 5 of QBs in this league? 2 MVPs and 1 SB is pretty top-5 to me. And who forgets about Brees? He's almost always been seen as a top 5 QB.

Rodgers has one abysmal game and suddenly he's out of the top 5. Yes it was abysmal, simply awful, but there are 9 more games to play and plenty of chances for him to figure out what's wrong. Palmer and Rivers have also had some pretty mediocre games this year, so has Roethlisberger. The only QB who has been consistently stellar this year has been Brady.

Some of the reasons given here as to why Rodgers isn't that good are pretty suspect when you actually take a look at them. He can't read defenses? He doesn't pick up the blitz well? He's nothing but scramble and throw? Really now.

Brady's the runaway MVP so far. Even great QBs do not have an MVP-type year every year, but to conclude that Rodgers is not as good as all that, well, I beg to differ, but I speak too soon: I'll wait and see how he does the rest of the way.

My top 5 over the last 5 years:
Brady
Brees
Manning
Rodgers
Big Ben / Rivers

I said Rodgers isn't in it right now this season, which I think is perfectly fair. I don't think it's a slight to put Rodgers 4th, but IMHO. Yes, he had some deserving MVP seasons, I don't disagree. My main issue is people trying to calling him of the best of all time. He doesn't even belong in the top 10 all-time conversation yet.

This debate is over

The Brees vs. Rodgers debate has always been a fascinating one to me. They both have great production but also some huge flaws that the media doesnt focus on (Brees throws a ton of interceptions, Rodgers is a front runner that struggles to make comebacks/deal with physical/mental pressure).

I think you can make an argument for either being #2 behind Brady, but the only advantage I'd give Rodgers right now is that he has won a lot more games in recent years than Brees and protects the football better.

I may get mocked but for all the roasting he gets from fans of other teams, I think Romo is as good as anyone not named Tom Brady, he just gets injured too much. He's no less talented or clutch than the other two, but playing on America's Team means he gets criticized way more when he makes a mistake. Maybe it's the fact that he seems to play with the same fire inside that Brady has that makes me like him.

Salva135 said:

I can't tell whether it's a good thing or a bad thing that two of the biggest blowhards in sports media, Cowherd and Skip Bayless, are massive Brady homers. They are so idiotic about everything they say until they get around to the Pats and start lavishing Brady with praise over Peyton and Rodgers. Really makes you scratch your head, lol.

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I find Colin Cowherd to be the most insightful sports talk show host out there - by a wide margin. He is the antithesis of a blowhard. Well reasoned as well as passionate, I try to find time every day to listen to him.

Colin Cowherd has been leading the anti-Rodgers charge for some time now, and since Rodgers is not having a great season everyone has now jumped on the bandwagon faulting Rodgers for the sputtering Packer offense.

Rodgers can and should be criticized for his play, which has not been good lately, but this looks more and more like sharks in a feeding frenzy going after the guy they've been trying to knock off the pedestal for some time. So now that Rodgers hasn't been having the best season suddenly he's merely a good QB but not an elite QB, as if he's done nothing for the last 5 years and won't do anything more in the next 5.

/yawn

ExpatPack said:

Colin Cowherd has been leading the anti-Rodgers charge for some time now, and since Rodgers is not having a great season everyone has now jumped on the bandwagon faulting Rodgers for the sputtering Packer offense.

Rodgers can and should be criticized for his play, which has not been good lately, but this looks more and more like sharks in a feeding frenzy going after the guy they've been trying to knock off the pedestal for some time. So now that Rodgers hasn't been having the best season suddenly he's merely a good QB but not an elite QB, as if he's done nothing for the last 5 years and won't do anything more in the next 5.

/yawn

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Best QBs of the era:

Brady





Manning
Rodgers
Brees
Roethlisberger


The problem, for Rodgers, is that people started putting him up on the pedestal as THE best, rather than just leaving him as one of the best, without thinking it through. Now that they are thinking about it, they're realizing he's not THE best, and they're taking out their mistake on his legacy. That's nothing new for the media.

They'll get back to giving him full body tongue baths when he starts winning and looking like Aaron Rodgers again.

Deus Irae said:

Best QBs of the era:

Brady





Manning
Rodgers
Brees
Roethlisberger


The problem, for Rodgers, is that people started putting him up on the pedestal as THE best, rather than just leaving him as one of the best, without thinking it through. Now that they are thinking about it, they're realizing he's not THE best, and they're taking out their mistake on his legacy. That's nothing new for the media.

They'll get back to giving him full body tongue baths when he starts winning and looking like Aaron Rodgers again.

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Rodgers has been, for a couple of seasons, perhaps 3, the best, but I agree, the best QB is the era is unquestionably Brady.

ExpatPack said:

Rodgers has been, for a couple of seasons, perhaps 3, the best,

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No, he hasn't. He's put up the gaudiest numbers, but he hasn't been the best QB. That's the point.

patfanken said:

I don't disagree with anything you've written concerning the Brady/Rogers comparison. But expatpack wrote a well reasoned post that on just a few points disagreed with our POV. He went out of his way to admit that Rodgers isn't at Brady's level ...yet. A rebuttal was fine, but I just don't think he deserved the venom he was shown.

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yeah, the venom was over the top and uncalled for. However, perhaps I might be forgiven for my acute overreaction considering the outright lies, biased "reporting", ridiculous, intentional snubs and degradations heaped upon OUR team, OUR quarterback and US, the loyal Patriot fanbase. The fact that someone has the thickness of callous disregard to log on here and post a decidedly inflammatory comparison overtly inciting an avalanche of responses, while we are being bludgeoned on a daily basis by attacks on the very character of our existence rankles me. It's one of my many flaws.

That being said...Rodgers is a great quarterback. There is only ONE Tom Brady though. Sorry, if that's OK with Expatpack..and even if it's not OK.

Deus Irae said:

No, he hasn't. He's put up the gaudiest numbers, but he hasn't been the best QB. That's the point.

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Ok tell me then if you're so sure, in 2010 who was better? Tom Brady by the numbers? Yes. By SB victory? 2011, by regular season accomplishments please tell me who was better? or are you using SB victory? in 2012, by regular season accomplishments or again, SB victory? An argument could be made for Brees in 2012 but it's close. An the Saints didn't do well in the playoffs either.

If all you see in Rodgers is gaudy numbers then I don't know what to say. Without Rodgers over the past 5 years the Packers would not have sniffed the playoffs.

Joker said:

yeah, the venom was over the top and uncalled for. However, perhaps I might be forgiven for my acute overreaction considering the outright lies, biased "reporting", ridiculous, intentional snubs and degradations heaped upon OUR team, OUR quarterback and US, the loyal Patriot fanbase. The fact that someone has the thickness of callous disregard to log on here and post a decidedly inflammatory comparison overtly inciting an avalanche of responses, while we are being bludgeoned on a daily basis by attacks on the very character of our existence rankles me. It's one of my many flaws.

That being said...Rodgers is a great quarterback. There is only ONE Tom Brady though. Sorry, if that's OK with Expatpack..and even if it's not OK.

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I told you Joker that I thought Deflategate was a fiasco and that Goodell tried to target Brady and the Pats making something out of nothing. Under-inflated footballs FFS.

That aside, I never ever said that Rodgers is as great as Brady when it comes to the greatest QBs of this football era. The Pats with Brady have won 4 SBs, been to 6, are a fixture in the playoffs, and Brady has won multiple MVPS. The accomplishments speak for themselves. Yes, some players in this league get ball washed. It's the nature of sports media business -- they want to put players on pedestals so everybody can line up pro-and-con: so-and-so is a god (Rodgers for instance but he is far from being the only one), or so-and-so is overrated. It's a game that the media plays.

However in his time as the starting QB of the Packers, Rodgers has had some unbelievable seasons, and I guess many here won't grant to Rodgers the idea that for some of those seasons, he was the best. Not every year, but some years. But he has his flaws and he has a lot more to prove if he will ever be counted as one of the greatest. Without another SB victory or two, it's not going to happen. But apparently Rodgers is deemed on this board to be nothing but stats. Go ahead and think that, but as I replied to Deus Irae, without Rodgers the Packers would not be playoff team, never mind a team that is regularly considered a SB contender. That is not a bunch of stats.

That will be my last word on this. No reason to continue the discussion. I'd prefer to sit back and enjoy watching the rest of the season, to see if the Pats can continue with one of the greatest seasons ever, and whether Rodgers and the Packers can work through adversity, turn it around and become a strong playoff team by the end of the season--or not.

ExpatPack said:

Ok tell me then if you're so sure, in 2010 who was better? Tom Brady by the numbers? Yes. By SB victory? 2011, by regular season accomplishments please tell me who was better? or are you using SB victory? in 2012, by regular season accomplishments or again, SB victory? An argument could be made for Brees in 2012 but it's close. An the Saints didn't do well in the playoffs either.

If all you see in Rodgers is gaudy numbers then I don't know what to say. Without Rodgers over the past 5 years the Packers would not have sniffed the playoffs.

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First, your post said the following, which I quoted:

Rodgers has been, for a couple of seasons, perhaps 3, the best,

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That would be years 2012-2014. 2010 and 2011 would have nothing to do with it.

Second, I didn't say that Rodgers is nothing but gaudy numbers. You're making the classic Peyton Manning defense, which is to try and equate the 'opponent' argument of "It's about more than numbers" with "Numbers are meaningless". So, from there....

Just for example, even leaving Brady out of the conversation, Peyton and Rodgers each won the MVP in the past 3 seasons. In the one season that neither won, 2012, Manning was the runner up to AdP. So you're swimming upstream with regards to the MVP, right there, and that's not ignoring numbers: it's taking them in a slightly larger context.

Rodgers is great. He's not better than Brady, and he hasn't been. There's no shame in that. That puts him in company with every other QB in the NFL.

Rodgers is 0-24 when down by 9 points or more.

Like seriously.