Justin Coleman

Chiuba E. Obele said:

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Part of me wishes that on D that they do not call off the dogs and keep attacking.

Chiuba E. Obele said:

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This is such a silly stat - "X best in the NFL" in the 4th quarter. The reason they give up more yards is strategic, which is because they are significantly ahead in the game, because the defense played well for the first three quarters. Comparing teams in an apples-to-apples stat like this with a proclamation about who is "best" is amazingly ignorant.

Nunchucks said:

I like the front 7, but do not pretend the secondary is anything better than mediocre or bad. A team will decide to throw on the patriots and we will all hold our breath while hoping the front 7 can force the QB into a bad throw

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Our secondary is a lot better at what they do than you are at assessing them.

There are many, many plays in every NFL game, by every NFL team, where receivers get open. It is the nature of the game now. Simple observation by fans is not a metric of effectiveness.

I see people using lots of reasons why they are better than they appear. Good defenses don't have to make excuses for why their numbers are the way they are.

And watching the games is the best way to put metrics in context. Just because a guy runs a 4.3 40 doesn't mean he is a good football player.

Stats are the best for supporting faulty positions. Football is an eye test game. That much I have learned over the too many years I have been watching.

As a casual fan I find it hard to assess secondary play. Still I have been very pleased with what I have watched. Many players have stepped up on this team and it is much stronger than I had guessed when the season began. Despite our player losses from last year this team feels stronger than last year. I just hope Belichick can work his magic and have us peaking in January.

willard said:

As a casual fan I find it hard to assess secondary play. Still I have been very pleased with what I have watched. Many players have stepped up on this team and it is much stronger than I had guessed when the season began. Despite our player losses from last year this team feels stronger than last year. I just hope Belichick can work his magic and have us peaking in January.

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I agree, unless the guy gets beat cleanly, sometimes I don't have any idea. Man on man is a easier than zone though. I heard coaches say unless you know the play call your just guessing.

Nunchucks said:

I see people using lots of reasons why they are better than they appear. Good defenses don't have to make excuses for why their numbers are the way they are.

And watching the games is the best way to put metrics in context. Just because a guy runs a 4.3 40 doesn't mean he is a good football player.

Stats are the best for supporting faulty positions. Football is an eye test game. That much I have learned over the too many years I have been watching.

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OK: my eye test says that the entire defense has been excellent outside of garbage time.

patchick said:

OK: my eye test says that the entire defense has been excellent outside of garbage time.

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And the beginning of the Jets game. But the Jets were executing nearly perfectly and as we all know that couldn't and didn't last.

patman52 said:

I agree, unless the guy gets beat cleanly, sometimes I don't have any idea. Man on man is a easier than zone though. I heard coaches say unless you know the play call your just guessing.

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That was the biggest takeaway I had watching every snap of Melvin's vs the Pats in last year's playoffs. They had him down for allowing 12 catches for 224 yards. If you watch the game and just him, he was either zone sitting on a spot off his man at the first down marker I bet around 75% of the time. Except for the LaFell pass very rarely was he in tight man coverage.

I swear PFF taged him with the catches (Gronk up the seam for a bunch of yards when he was standing there and the LB blew it in coverage) that he simply did not deserve.

Nunchucks said:

I see people using lots of reasons why they are better than they appear. Good defenses don't have to make excuses for why their numbers are the way they are.

And watching the games is the best way to put metrics in context. Just because a guy runs a 4.3 40 doesn't mean he is a good football player.

Stats are the best for supporting faulty positions. Football is an eye test game. That much I have learned over the too many years I have been watching.

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From everything I've read, you are the one who's done the most excuse making. {shrugs}

Nunchucks said:

I see people using lots of reasons why they are better than they appear. Good defenses don't have to make excuses for why their numbers are the way they are.

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Allowed fifth fewest points. why would they need to make an excuse?

@MikeReiss: Patriots snap-count analysis: RB LeGarrette Blount and LB Jonathan Freeny with expanded workloads in victory: LeGarrette Blount, Jonathan Freeny enjoy increased workload

CORNERBACK

Malcolm Butler – 58

Logan Ryan – 58

Justin Coleman – 55

NOTES: The Patriots were in their three-cornerback nickel package for the majority of the game. Ryan now has 11 career interceptions since he was drafted in the 2013 third round and leads the team with four.


95% of the snaps and more than holding his own now vs. a solid WR (Crowder).

Andrews & Coleman, karma gifts for the league's theft of our 1st rd pick.

I really like our top 3 CBs. Butler is a solid #1 CB for a guy who has been starting half a season. Ryan is a solid #2 and an upgrade from Browner last year. Coleman has turned into a really solid nickelback and playing like Arrington when Arrington decides to play.

The problem is the Pats have nothing after those three.

robertweathers said:

Who is saying that? As an outside CB, Ryan did not improve his standing at all. He is still a zone/slot short space guy.

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Ryan is playing great this year. As a zone/slot short space guy, he has really improved the #2 CB spot from last year.

Nunchucks said:

I see people using lots of reasons why they are better than they appear. Good defenses don't have to make excuses for why their numbers are the way they are.

And watching the games is the best way to put metrics in context. Just because a guy runs a 4.3 40 doesn't mean he is a good football player.

Stats are the best for supporting faulty positions. Football is an eye test game. That much I have learned over the too many years I have been watching.

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When the other team, down three scores, takes 8 minutes off the clock in late-3rd/early-4th quarter, that's a win, sorry, even if they score.

No one has to make excuses and everyone has to, regarding defense. Aren't the Broncos the 85 Bears? Except, no, they're not (see yesterday). So who's out there that so much better? The Jets? If you think so, we're watching different teams...

Rob0729 said:

Ryan is playing great this year. As a zone/slot short space guy, he has really improved the #2 CB spot from last year.

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Looks like they are really giving him a lot of help over the top and he's undercutting routes. QBs need to be very careful when targeting him, because he's often in a position to jump routes. This is why Butler is seeing a lot of passes come his way and has games where he gives up 60, 70, or 80 yards to his man. The whole group is doing a good job, and the coaches are allowing them to play to their strengths.

Rob0729 said:

Ryan is playing great this year. As a zone/slot short space guy, he has really improved the #2 CB spot from last year.

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He has. There is no denying it. I didn't like the missed jam and the spin-o-rama on the long play to Garcon but to expect perfection from your CB2 is not realistic.

Garcon is a very good receiver and Ryan did a real solid job yesterday.

Yesterday seemed like the quintessential Nunchucks/Interception game. Just enough bad plays early on to point to and a late score so the numbers are less impressive than they otherwise might be. Like nearly every other game, though, the secondary was pretty damn solid for the 40 minutes in the middle. Don't sell this Washington receiving corps short, either. They have a lot of good weapons, which is why a few of us thought the game would provide some nice teachable moments. Thankfully most of them ended with open guys putting the ball on the ground.

Rob0729 said:

I really like our top 3 CBs. Butler is a solid #1 CB for a guy who has been starting half a season. Ryan is a solid #2 and an upgrade from Browner last year. Coleman has turned into a really solid nickelback and playing like Arrington when Arrington decides to play.

The problem is the Pats have nothing after those three.

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Ya but how many teams have anything after their top 3 CBs? Not a lot.