Steve Young and Ray Lewis are stooooopid

Nikolai · Oct 6, 2015

As we oft say here: the NFL is playing checkers, while the Pats play chess.

Side note: Blount's RayRay dance is one of the best TD celebrations I've seen.

EDIT - It's a great rule by the way. If all an opposing player had to do to prevent an offensive recovery in the end zone (and hence prevent a TD) was bat it out, resulting in a touchback...well, that'd be pretty ****ty.

dannydyn · Oct 6, 2015

"Steve Young and Ray Lewis are stooooopid"

In other news....

Oswlek · Oct 6, 2015

Something tangetial to this conversation that I've wondered about for a while.... why does a fumble out of the end zone result in a touchback? It might make sense if there weren't already rules in place to prohibit intentional forward rolls, but doesn't it seem like an overly harsh punishment? Anywhere else on the field, if the ball rolls out of bounds the offense not only retains the ball, they may receive additional yardage. But in the end zone it suddenly becomes a change of possession and a 20 yard bonus for the defense? How does that make any sense?

I understand that in another location on the field, there is no end line to limit the defense's ability to recover the fumble. But if that is what you are protecting against, levy something like a 20 yard penalty and make it first and 10 from the 20. Or first and goal from the 20. Either option seems like a much more appropriate cost for nothing more than fumbling at the wrong spot, but what do I know?

Jackson 2 · Oct 6, 2015

Young and Lewis aren't the only "stoopid" people commenting on this subject. I just watched Trenni Kusnierek on Comcast's Early Edition twice use the phrase "on accident" (as the opposite of "on purpose") in about 5 minutes. Holy Mother of God...

BradyFTW! · Oct 6, 2015

neuronet said:
IT wasn't that bad, it was a confusing situation. If seahawks had possession, and THEN ran out of the end-zone, it would be a safety. But they didn't have possession. It's a subtle point not many people not named Belichick have though about.

It's not that subtle. The moment it happened, both myself and the friend I was watching the game with said that should be a penalty on Seattle, and my cousin texted me a few seconds later saying the same.

This "not many people knew that rule existed anyway" narrative not only shouldn't matter, but is also just false, revisionist history being written by people who don't know as much about football as they think they do. A lot of people knew right away that the refs had blown the call. I posted it in the game thread seconds after it happened, and I wasn't the only one.

BradyFTW! · Oct 6, 2015

Oswlek said:
Something tangetial to this conversation that I've wondered about for a while.... why does a fumble out of the end zone result in a touchback? It might make sense if there weren't already rules in place to prohibit intentional forward rolls, but doesn't it seem like an overly harsh punishment? Anywhere else on the field, if the ball rolls out of bounds the offense not only retains the ball, they may receive additional yardage. But in the end zone it suddenly becomes a change of possession and a 20 yard bonus for the defense? How does that make any sense?

I understand that in another location on the field, there is no end line to limit the defense's ability to recover the fumble. But if that is what you are protecting against, levy something like a 20 yard penalty and make it first and 10 from the 20. Or first and goal from the 20. Either option seems like a much more appropriate cost for nothing more than fumbling at the wrong spot, but what do I know?

Agreed. If the offense fumbles the ball out of the opposing end zone, then I think pushing the ball back 20 yards and making it first and 20 is penalty enough. If they bat the ball out of the end zone, then assess a ten yard penalty and put the ball on the 30. Seems totally fair, I've never understood or agree with having one area on the field--and one only--where fumbling out of bounds is a turnover.

The Boston Patriot · Oct 6, 2015

Marko said:
I saw the Seahawks player bat the ball out of the endzone and thought it should be the Lions' ball, thank god it wasn't the Patriots because I would have freaked. However, Steve Young and Ray Lewis looked really dumb when they kept comparing it to a punter kicking it out of his own endzone. In that instance the punter is taking a safety and his team had original possession of the ball.

This is an indictment of our education system at the very least.

pencilneckgeek · Oct 7, 2015

I kind of like the first and goal from the twenty notion, although it could be an issue in a running-out-the-clock situation. Instead of being told not to score on second down, a RB could be told to fumble the ball out of the end zone to get his team a new set of downs with which to kill the clock. They could add another rule to prevent that, but I'm not sure it makes more sense in the end.

I guess the question is why should a fumble be treated differently than a kickoff. Both teams havea chance to recover the ball, and if it goes out if the end zone, it's a touchback. There's something to be said for consistency, even though the NFL all but abandoned that as a guiding principle in their rulebook 30 years ago.

archstanton543 · Oct 7, 2015

In other news, water is wet and fire is hot.

aluminum seats · Oct 7, 2015

BradyFTW! said:
Agreed. If the offense fumbles the ball out of the opposing end zone, then I think pushing the ball back 20 yards and making it first and 20 is penalty enough. If they bat the ball out of the end zone, then assess a ten yard penalty and put the ball on the 30. Seems totally fair, I've never understood or agree with having one area on the field--and one only--where fumbling out of bounds is a turnover.

Yes! Totally agree as well. Out of bounds fumble anywhere else, ah well, whatcha gonna do, offense gets another crack at it. They fumble in the end zone it's like the world ends or something. "Forget it, you don't get to keep the ball anymore! That's why we can't have nice things!" It's nutty.

aluminum seats · Oct 7, 2015

woolster22 said:
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Cmon now, Steve eventually figured it out. Ray was still dumbstruck and confused when they cut away.
"Mumbling.but when the punter fumbles the fumble...mumbling...the players, it's a players driven league..."-Ray Lewis Seattle postgame

What the hell, Lewis looks like a wax figure here. He's transfixed.

Gronkowski123 · Oct 8, 2015

speaking of stupid..stephen a strikes again!!
brought up race and how the nfl doesn't like black players celebrating after scoring. also brought up how gronk spikes the ball and doesn't get penalized.

this guy is unbelievable....the al sharpton of sports analysts.

Uncle Rico · Oct 8, 2015

The Boston Patriot said:
This is an indictment of our education system at the very least.

And if the whole fraternity system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our educational institutions in general? I put it to you, Boston Patriot - isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen!

Jackson 2 · Oct 8, 2015

aluminum seats said:
What the hell, Lewis looks like a wax figure here. He's transfixed.

He's praying the famous white suit never turns up...

upstater1 · Nov 6, 2015

Add scary to stupid, OMG!

Ray Lewis has Facebook rant for the ages

Bruins29 · Nov 6, 2015

Ray has become a caricature of himself

Pats Fanatic · Nov 6, 2015

upstater1 said:
Add scary to stupid, OMG!

Ray Lewis has Facebook rant for the ages

That's hilarious.

flasox27 · Nov 6, 2015

Pats Fanatic said:
That's hilarious.

How can you call Ray Lewis stupid. He was smart enough to destroy evidence and beat a murder rap.

TommyD4207 · Nov 6, 2015

flasox27 said:
How can you call Ray Lewis stupid. He was smart enough to destroy evidence and beat a murder rap.

Or at least smart enough to have a couple of fall guys.

Captain Cliche · Nov 6, 2015

The ref didn't throw the flag because he didn't know the rule.
The rest is another NFL cover up.
You bet your ass Belichik knows the rule book better than the refs.

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