OT: The Broncos D really capitalized on Aaron Rodgers biggest weakness...

patsfanincleveland · Nov 2, 2015

patsinthesnow said:
@JeffDarlington: Broncos defense currently ranks 1st in @nfl in following categories: Points per game, total yards per game, passing yards per game & sacks.

@wingoz: The @Broncos are allowing 4.1 yards per play, would be the 2nd-best single season mark since 2001. Only 2008 @steelers were better.

@PFF: This Broncos defense has a chance to be one of the best all-time: Broncos defense could be one of best ever @PFF_Sam

@VicLombardi: Oh, and the Broncos win last night was the most impressive win by any NFL team all season. Please challenge me on that one.

The sleeping media had awakened. The Denver ass kissing is back.

A historic Denver team made it's way to Foxborough last year.

BTW, would anyone actually take Ware and Miller over Collins and Hightower?

RhodyPatriot · Nov 2, 2015

Shockt327 said:
Collapse the pocket, contain the QB, don't let Rodgers scramble. Cause Rodgers will often look directly at the pass rush, at the expense of looking downfield.

Denver was collapsing the pocket on Rodgers but weren't getting too greedy with the pass rush; which almost always opens up lanes for Rodgers to scramble, or find a clean throwing lane, when he's pressured. For all the talk about Rodgers footwork under pressure, no one really mentions his constant tendency to look directly at the rush as opposed to keeping his eyes downfield in these situations. Granted, it's hardly ever a negative for Rodgers. But Denver was really getting the best of Rodgers on this. The coverage was there, but Rodgers wasn't even challenging it.

Great analysis. There were plays to be made but Rodgers never attempted to make them. Coverage was good but there were guys open but Rodgers never made the throws/plays. Rodgers looked like he was playing in mud, i.e., very slow and very deliberate.

I love what this game will do for the (over) confidence level of the Denver D. Brady and Co simply play at a faster, quicker pace which I think will give Denver headaches.
Won't be surprised if they come out no huddle and play up tempo for long stretches in the game.

Ice_Ice_Brady · Nov 2, 2015

Broncos are a great football team. Patriots are a great football team. We'll see what happens.

The Gr8est · Nov 2, 2015

VrabelJr said:
Rodgers biggest weakness: His inability to complete a pass less than 10 yards.

Maybe he has trouble with balls in the 12.5 to 13.5 psi range.

rochrist · Nov 2, 2015

Canuck said:
He was accurate short/medium/long. I watched some earlier games and he was throwing ducks. Passes with not much zip that wobbled. He threw a beautiful ball tonight with zip and a nice tight spiral.

I don't know, he seemed to warm up as the game went along to me. Some of his early passes we're fairly duck like, but by later in the game he looked pretty good. Does anyone know what the temp was there last night?

rochrist · Nov 2, 2015

TheBostonStraggler said:
Ha, funny.
I'm not entirely sold though on "excellent coverage on all the receivers". Coverage appeared very good frequently, no doubt, but Rogers looked like he was put so off his game by the rush, coverage, general scheme, or whatever that he was paralyzed from making decisions.
If it was due to excellent blanket coverage then everyone should greatly fear Denver. GB got frequent one on one matchups and I noticed a few favorable receiver matchups for them. Were their receivers incapable of winning a battle through almost the whole night? Hard to believe given the rules favor the receiver so much as well as how difficult it is to frequently break up those precise timing routes that Qbs like Rogers practice ad nauseum. I mean damn, he was barely even trying those passes.
Also, I noticed when the game was out of hand Denver's press backed off some (understandably given it was now most important to keep everything in front of them). Yet even with the press let up, Rogers would get the snap, a tick would go by, and he was still full into the befuddled look and moving around.

GB is the best offense Denver has faced. Denver kept GB to the lowest score it has allowed while making them look almost silly. Something doesn't add up....(and it certainly could be this was just a really 'on' night for Denver and 'off' for GB -- which certainly happens).

I thought both of GB's starting corners went down during the game?

Deus Irae · Nov 2, 2015

rochrist said:
I thought both of GB's starting corners went down during the game?

People are ignoring the fact that the Packers lost 2 CBs and ended up with a very limited Clay Matthews, as well.

Let the Patriots lose Butler and another CB, and have either Collins or Hightower basically hobbled, and that's a Patriots defense in a lot of trouble.

RobertWeathers · Nov 2, 2015

patsinthesnow said:
@JeffDarlington: Broncos defense currently ranks 1st in @nfl in following categories: Points per game, total yards per game, passing yards per game & sacks.

@wingoz: The @Broncos are allowing 4.1 yards per play, would be the 2nd-best single season mark since 2001. Only 2008 @steelers were better.

@PFF: This Broncos defense has a chance to be one of the best all-time: Broncos defense could be one of best ever @PFF_Sam

@VicLombardi: Oh, and the Broncos win last night was the most impressive win by any NFL team all season. Please challenge me on that one.

The sleeping media had awakened. The Denver ass kissing is back.

I'm good with this. Let the national media fluff Denver's pillow at night. Let all the media attention turn away from our sleepy little corner of the country.

I think DEN has a helluva D and some potent weapons on offense. No question that they are a good team.

But sorry. As long as Brady gets good protection and they hang onto the football they are still hanging 30 on that D. GB doesn't have 1/2 the attack the Pats do.

juny · Nov 2, 2015

rodgers gets a chance to redeem himself for a bad road game vs a good defense pretty soon. next GB @ CAR

rochrist · Nov 2, 2015

Froob said:
Those ratings aren't subjective....just based on a stupid formula.

That's not correct. Parts of the formula require their 'analysts' to assign subjective numbers to things such as 'clutch' factor for each play.

RobertWeathers · Nov 2, 2015

FourierSeries said:
Things are finally back to normal as far as I'm concerned. The media is back on Peyton's bandwagon and everyone will be picking Denver to win the SB (as they have every year since 2012) only for NE to crush Manning's hopes once more - as has often been the case.

A Peyton Manning-led team has at some point been picked to to go to the SB every year since 1999.

RhodyPatriot · Nov 2, 2015

cardiak said:
Rogers has NEVER won a game where he was down 9 points or more from the second quarter on. He is too conservative about not taking chances on throws.

Is that true??? That is amazing!!! Rodgers is a paper tiger.

SVN · Nov 2, 2015

Denver Broncos defense smothers Aaron Rodgers, Green Bay Packers | The MMQB with Peter King

Imagine bigger news than Manning’s best game of the year coming out of this game. There was. It revolved around AARON RODGERS! and the stifling of the Packers’ passing game. All credit to defensive coordinator Wade Phillips for building a smart and aggressive game plan, and holding Rodgers to the lowest yardage—77 gross passing yards—of his eight-year starting career. “The game plan was bring the heat, load the box, keep him in the pocket and force him to throw quick,” said Harris. “Wade put it on us: If we let him go outside, that’s where he’s going to get us.”

I’d never heard this before, but when Harris talked about Green Bay’s receivers, he voiced what I seemed to notice while watching the game—that the Denver secondary stuck with its coverage far longer than you normally see.

“That’s right,” he said. “We basically had to cover twice. That was the plan. First you cover your guy for two-and-a-half seconds. Then you don’t stop. You figure Rodgers is getting out on the edge, scrambling around looking for a receiver after he leaves the pocket. And we were able to hang in there. I think when you hold Aaron Rodgers to 50 yards, you know you’re capable of being great as a defense.”

Gallo · Nov 2, 2015

The Broncos looked good, but until the offense can show that kind of consistency, I'm still skeptical. Peyton was terrible so far this year. It's probably a combination of things, but still. The Broncos has to defeat the Pats when they meet, that's for sure, and it looks like that game could decide the fate of the AFC. Not really a big believer of the Bengals or probably even the Panthers, although both defenses look legit.

FourierSeries · Nov 2, 2015

I still see this as a favorable match up for us.

People forget that last year, Denver's defense was highly ranked all year and finished 3rd in yards/game. Before playing us, they were allowing about 19 PPG (in regulation) despite having played a much better slate of offenses. Then we dropped 43 on them.

Their personnel is essentially the same. The biggest difference has been Wade Phillips, and we know the kind of success Brady has had against him.

Their CBs do not do well against quick shifty receivers, and TEs have had success against them. They are fast on defense, but Seattle was much faster and they still couldn't deal with our quickness.

The most important part of all is the versatility of our offense and our coaching staff being on a completely different level than anyone else at the moment.

qbno12 · Nov 2, 2015

Deus Irae said:
People are ignoring the fact that the Packers lost 2 CBs and ended up with a very limited Clay Matthews, as well.

Let the Patriots lose Butler and another CB, and have either Collins or Hightower basically hobbled, and that's a Patriots defense in a lot of trouble.

Totally agree.However, I think BB and coaching staff are smart enough to adjust and minimize the damage. Packers didn't seem to change a thing after half time and Rodgers had that deer in the headlights look pretty much the entire game.

Deus Irae · Nov 2, 2015

qbno12 said:
Totally agree.However, I think BB and coaching staff are smart enough to adjust and minimize the damage. Packers didn't seem to change a thing after half time and Rodgers had that deer in the headlights look pretty much the entire game.

I think it just turned into a quicksand game for the Packers.

Sicilian · Nov 2, 2015

aluminum seats said:
A little OT, but it's funny what an iron man Talib has become....seems like he's due for a hip injury. (I'm not wishing that on him, just observing how he used to be very injury prone.)

I get the feeling that most of Talib's "injuries" were little nagging ones that he refused to play through because he was in a contract year, and didn't want to risk further damage to his value. Now that he's got some security in that contract, suddenly a bruise doesn't knock him out of AFC Championship games.

SHOWTIME15 · Nov 2, 2015

FourierSeries said:
I still see this as a favorable match up for us.

People forget that last year, Denver's defense was highly ranked all year and finished 3rd in yards/game. Before playing us, they were allowing about 19 PPG (in regulation) despite having played a much better slate of offenses. Then we dropped 43 on them.

Their personnel is essentially the same. The biggest difference has been Wade Phillips, and we know the kind of success Brady has had against him.

Their CBs do not do well against quick shifty receivers, and TEs have had success against them. They are fast on defense, but Seattle was much faster and they still couldn't deal with our quickness.

The most important part of all is the versatility of our offense and our coaching staff being on a completely different level than anyone else at the moment.

their D seemed to do ok against green bay's fast receivers. they were just able to get to the QB a lot and disrupt the timing.

aluminum seats · Nov 2, 2015

robertweathers said:
I'm good with this. Let the national media fluff Denver's pillow at night. Let all the media attention turn away from our sleepy little corner of the country.

Agreed. I realize that you can make the argument that media attention doesn't really matter, but when you consider how many people are concerned about the "pressure" the Pats face if they continue to win, this is sort of a good thing.

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