Nice Curran smackdown on Framegate II

MitchKumstein said:

It really is a shame that despite the greatness of the Patriots' coaches and players, they are stuck with Mr Rogers as their owner

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If not for "Mr. Rogers" this team is the St. Louis Redbirds.

turkeyneck said:

The other 31 clearly see BKraft as a figure of ridicule, like the waterboy in the lockerroom who gets beaned with spitballs, snapped with towels, etc, but who keeps coming back for more so he can be 'one of the guys'. I feel bad for Jonathan seeing his father treated in this way but, if it were my father, I'd be doing something about it.

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Don't worry, Bob is working behind the scenes on his Inglorious Bastards scheme to get rid of Goodell .

turkeyneck said:

The other 31 clearly see BKraft as a figure of ridicule, like the waterboy in the lockerroom who gets beaned with spitballs, snapped with towels, etc, but who keeps coming back for more so he can be 'one of the guys'. I feel bad for Jonathan seeing his father treated in this way but, if it were my father, I'd be doing something about it.

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That's not really possible given that Kraft has dominated the league both on the field as well as financially.

Kraft is buzz ligtyear and the rest of the owners are the little aliens

"There should be a point at which the league declares it needs some probable cause. Otherwise, these monthly, franchise-wide colonoscopies will continue until -- inevitably -- someone finds something that really isn't anything and the NFL is out another $10 million. Non-existent evidence -- like a lack of air pressure -- the NFL's crack security team is great at seizing. It's the existing stuff -- like elevator videos mailed directly to their offices -- which prove elusive."

Laughed out loud when Curren dropped that bomb in Roger's lap. Sweet!!!

RhodyPatriot said:

Laughed out loud when Curren dropped that bomb in Roger's lap. Sweet!!!

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OT - I swear, this forum is a mine field for earworms!

This will continue until the Patriots are found guilty of something like not keeping the artificial grass at the appropriate length, because 1/10th of 1% of the field is a millimeter longer than the rest, and it's penalized in such a way that BB and/or Brady miss significant time.


And we can all thank Bob for the free colonoscopies!

Deus Irae said:

This will continue until the Patriots are found guilty of something like not keeping the artificial grass at the appropriate length, because 1/10th of 1% of the field is a millimeter longer than the rest, and it's penalized in such a way that BB and/or Brady miss significant time.


And we can all thank Bob for the free colonoscopies!

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Well....no. You have Bill to blame. If he didn't try to get cute with the camera placement rules, they wouldn't be getting free colonoscopies. If he was unclear about the memo all he had to do was make a phone call to the NFL home office and they would have clarified their poorly worded memo to mean "no taping on the sideline at all".

As for Framegate, there is no...repeat NO recourse Bob could have taken.

archstanton543 said:

As for Framegate, there is no...repeat NO recourse Bob could have taken.

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That's simply not true

robertweathers said:

My only hope is that Jonathan is the NFL version of Michael Corleone sitting down with Solozzo and McClusky before he needs to go to the bathroom.

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There's just as good a chance that he's Fredo, but without the double cross.

Deus Irae said:

That's simply not true

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What recourse would you have preferred? What negatives would it have had, and why are they to be ignored?

Deus Irae said:

That's simply not true

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Yeah, okay. Sue for the anti-trust exemption to be lifted and then make himself a pariah and tear down the league that's making billions for you and 31 other owners. That's just not realistic.

n6249c said:

What recourse would you have preferred? What negatives would it have had, and why are they to be ignored?

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Kraft had options. The poster claimed otherwise. I simply noted that his claim was not true. I'm not going through a full re-hash of this stuff. It's been covered, both here and in the media.

archstanton543 said:

Yeah, okay. Sue for the anti-trust exemption to be lifted and then make himself a pariah and tear down the league that's making billions for you and 31 other owners. That's just not realistic.

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Always love hearing about what's realistic from people who have no idea what 'realistic' is...

We were told that it wasn't realistic to think that Brady was going to win in court, too.

Deus Irae said:

Always love hearing about what's realistic from people who have no idea what 'realistic' is...

We were told that it wasn't realistic to think that Brady was going to win in court, too.

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A lot of people said it was realistic for Brady to win in court. I thought he'd win the moment he (and the League) filed suit....and then when the evidence was made public, I and a lot of others saw it as a slam dunk for Brady.

I have a pretty good grasp on what is realistic. Money is what drives the owners. Bob suing the League is cutting one's nose off to spite one's face. Yes, I'm upset about losing a first and a fourth for nothing but at the end of the day, from an owner's perspective, is it worth bringing down the entire league for a potential star player and a role player? No, it's not. Not when there are billions of dollars on the line.

archstanton543 said:

I have a pretty good grasp on what is realistic.

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Apparently not

Deus Irae said:

Apparently not

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Not an argument.

archstanton543 said:

Not an argument.

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A refutation.

A good analogy here might be some version of Driving While Black.

• Reiss in his Sunday piece makes a good case that the specifics of what the NFL did were OK.
• Curran makes a good case that, if you're the subject of a lot more annoying investigations than your peers, you're being discriminated against even if the specific investigations are OK.

Deus Irae said:

This will continue until the Patriots are found guilty of something like not keeping the artificial grass at the appropriate length, because 1/10th of 1% of the field is a millimeter longer than the rest, and it's penalized in such a way that BB and/or Brady miss significant time.


And we can all thank Bob for the free colonoscopies!

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You can be mad at Bob for his post Framegate actions, however, "blaming" Bob is reactionary at best. Goodell is to blame. And while I wish Bob would have reacted differently in the beginning, given Goodell's previous history there is little to suggest Goodell would do anything different regardless of how much Bob filed complaints/legalities. To the contrary, most evidence suggests Goodell would have hired more lawyers to fight harder, and find the same, or more, ways to pull their little 'the tail doesn't wag the dog' tactics like last Sunday. Not sure why anyone would think otherwise given Goodell's history of thinking/actions....

TheBostonStraggler said:

You can be mad at Bob for his post Framegate actions, however, "blaming" Bob is reactionary at best.

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