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From the LA Times:

"The National Football League and the Los Angeles Raiders reached a settlement Saturday of the Raiders' 11-year-old antitrust suit against the NFL for impeding the team's move from Oakland, with the Raiders receiving considerably less than the $34.6-million judgment rendered against the league in 1983."

The case was originally filed in 1978. There -are- things called appeals.

Settlement Reached in Raiders' Antitrust Suit Against NFL
And again you said the case he lost took 11 years and that just is not correct.


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And again you said the case he lost took 11 years and that just is not correct.


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I was talking about the case he won taking 11 years. Filed in 1978, not resolved until 1989.

From my original post:

Correction, the first time he did win in court, but the result was a mediocre 20 million dollar settlement, out of which he had to pay his lawyer for a case that lasted -11 years-.
 
Things Kraft could have done:

1. Not fire 2 employees when they did nothing wrong. If the NFL wanted them fired, the NFL should've done so.

2. Appealed, if possible.

3. Called out Goodell in the press as a witchhunt and point out the Jets ties to the NFL offices.

4. Been there during Brady's appeal, if he cared more about Brady than letting a corrupt Commissioner try to maintain unchecked power

5. Not be seen hugging Goodell.

6. Not make the claim in private owners meetings 'whats good for the league matters more to me than the integrity of an investigation against my team'

7. Not backed Goodell during the Ray Rice fiasco when a Judge basically ruled that Goodell lied about what Ray said.

8. Not backed Goodell after they did a SpyGate like embellishment of the Saints BountyGate issue

9. Actually fought against Spygate penalties or atleast said 'We were caught using a camera 80 feet from where it should've been'. Instead he said something like 'I was disappointed in BB and believe he'll never commit such a crime again'


Kraft was lucky enough to hire BB (when he did so, he didn't know Bill would be the greatest coach of all time) -- and he was smart enough to stay hands off when Brady replaced Bledsoe;
And Kraft gets to stand in the locker room so all the players can hug him and he can say great job to them after the game, as if a Billionaire has any ability to relate to professional athletes.
But he's been terrible at defending his team's reputation.

It may be interesting when the time comes for Kraft to renew BB's contract.

Maybe BB will decide he doesn't appreciate Kraft's lack of support and demand a much higher salary, or maybe he'll decide to move on.

I couldn't blame him if he did.
 
As you didn't manage to indicate or quote who this was addressed to, should we assume an imaginary Foe?

A Straw Man?

Because if you imagine that I was defending Kraft's actions during DeflateGate ~ and unquoted statements are always presumed to be addressed to the OP ~ then you need some remedial English.

Gpes without saying, LOL.
 
He should have filed suit. I don't care if he did not stand much of a chance to succeed. He should have attempted to embarrass the league office with the same vitriol that the league used to embarrass the pats.

He choose the comradeship of the boardroom over his fan base. Him being seen publicly with Goodell is a slap to the face of the fan base.
 
He should have filed suit. I don't care if he did not stand much of a chance to succeed. He should have attempted to embarrass the league office with the same vitriol that the league used to embarrass the pats.

He choose the comradeship of the boardroom over his fan base. Him being seen publicly with Goodell is a slap to the face of the fan base.
Alan Milstein, an actual sports attorney, agrees. Says Kraft got bad legal advice.
 
Kraft had every right to appeal the penalty.
He also had and has every right to take the league to court. Al Davis did and won.

He certainly should have availed himself of the (admittedly doomed to fail) internal appeals process. And one exists, because SD appealed the towel thing.

Much less clear he has the right to take the league to court. First, Davis sued the league on anti-trust grounds and (according to McCann) federal law makes it very hard to waive your right to sue on anti-trust grounds (and any lawsuit by Kraft on Deflategate would not be about anti-trust issues). Second, it is widely believed in the sports law community that in part because of the Davis lawsuits, the league significantly tightened up the agreements between the teams and the league to make it even harder to sue.
 
The point would be to have shut up the people who are saying "Of course Kraft knew they were guilty. He didn't even try to fight to the extent he was allowed to."
Do you seriously think that would have shut up even one of those morons? I don't.
 
So. Are you really telling me you are an expert on whether a court would accept a case?
Kraft would have many reason for suit.


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Could you list them?
 
Would haves, could haves, all are irrelevant now. As BB might say, "we are just looking forward to the next challenge before us. What happened in the past is over. All we can do is learn from our mistakes and correct them. There is no upside in laying blame and whining." So all the discussion should be directed to what should be the Pats' strategy from this point.

I would suggest the following.

1. Create a PR campaign that will be tasked to do 2 things

a. immediately respond to any media outlet or story that impugns the Pats either directly or indirectly. ie the recent Jets' bug sweep. It isn't enough for the NFL to come out and say it was "random".
b. Launch a long term campaign that will educate people why deflategate was really defamegate. Explain the science, show the errors of the Welles report, Make the Jets/Colts/Ravens connection. Show the maliciousness of the NFL cabal, and do it over and over and over again. You can't just do it once. The average commercial has to be seen 7+ times before it starts to make an impression. I would also plant articles showing that spygate really was all about cameraplacementgate, and not about cheating.

2. Make a public announcement that both Tom Brady and the team will be thinking about filing separate or joint defamation suits sometime after the season is over.

The immediate effect of this announcement will be the cessation of these frivolous stories the NFL and their proxies are throwing out there to continue their anti- Pats narrative. Reporters will think twice about publishing unsubstantiated stories like the Van Atta sandbag job, knowing it might cause them to end up part of a law suit.

It might even make the NFL think about the risks and rewards of continuing their rash course of action in dealing with this.

3. The last part of the PR campaign would be to start placing stories and articles asking, "Just WHY are the Patriots losing their draft pick?" Middle school science has proven that no balls were deflated that night. The NFL's actions after they KNEW the Mort Report was totally wrong prove their was malicious intent by an element in the NFL offices. Etc, etc, etc. I would plant enough stories so that EVERY time Goodell appears in a public forum, he will have to answer that question. I even plant a guy who will ask the follow up. I want him on record justifying it against all the evidence.

And if by the end of April we still don't have the pick back, I would make the League's taking away of the Pats draft picks the biggest story of draft weekend. I'd organize picket lines in front of where the draft is being held, AND the League headquarters. I'd plant people where owners gather and wherever they speak publicly and to ask them if they think it's fair for the Pats to lose their #1, when it's pretty much common knowledge that they didn't do anything. To be followed up with, "Isn't the whole deflategate scandal nothing more than a effort by some people in the league to help the rest of the league catch up to the Patriots". Or something like that.

Hopefully at the end of April, the campaign will enlighten the majority of open minded people to the truth of the NFL's perfidy. It will put the haters and liars on notice that they can no longer write their screed without immediate retribution. It might even create enough backlash to the thievery of the picks that the embarrassment might force the league to return them. Yes I know it's a long shot, but it is better than no shot at all.

But the key element is the threat of the defamation suit and the exposure of what the league office did. And if the threat of the suit doesn't bring Brady or Kraft satisfaction, then they have to do it, even if it brings the league down.

I've watch the many rises and falls of the NBA, and the slow decline of MLB, not to think it could happen to the NFL. Watching the NFL's continuing rise, despite the last 8 years of inept leadership on so many areas, is like watching a long bull market that people keep buying into even after it is over valued. If you think it's never going to stop, they you are an idiot who loses money. The NFL is getting to that stage.

The source of their athletes will begin to shrink when the concussion story hits big and fewer athletes play the game, or choose to play it that long.. People are getting tired of supporting an overpaid criminal element, along with all the petty and inept leadership they are seeing from the league itself.

Just think about the time before we became swept up in the euphoria of this great start, many of us, the most rabid fans around, were getting tired of all the crap. Then think about how the casual fans feel. As the ways people get their entertainment, sports, and news becomes more decentralized, they will find alternative avenues to entertain themselves. ESPN probable always though the money would never stop rolling in.....until it did.
 
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Great post as usual OTG.

My take on this hasn't changed much since Kraft recently chose the BBC over the team and it's fans, who he publicly stated wouldn't like his actions. In my case he is 100% on the money.

In 2007 he let Belichick and the team take the fall (and lose a draft pick) for nothing and then called Belichick a schmuck.

This time he let Brady and the team take the fall (and lose more draft picks) for less than nothing and allowed Brady to be labeled a cheater as he was fighting in court.

As far as I'm concerned. Kraft could have done anything and it would have been better than taking sides with the people who have been assassinating the character of our team.

And I have absolutely no confidence that his son would be any better, in spite of the fact that so many people here seem to think he's some sort of tiger.

There is plenty of football that I can turn to that isn't the NFL, and unless something changes after Brady and/or Belichick leaves, I will leave with them.

The NCAA isn't the best run organization, but it isn't crooked like the NYJFL is now.

When/if I do leave the NYJFL behind it will be for my peace of mind, not to make a statement that the BBC would never hear or care about.
 
So. Are you really telling me you are an expert on whether a court would accept a case?
Kraft would have many reason for suit.


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Such as?

Bear in mind "people saying mean things about a public figure or figures" isn't grounds for a defamation suit.

Considering the value of the franchise has increased dramatically since this happened, would make it very difficult to claim that there was actual injury done.

Brady could potentially make that case, but Kraft can't.
 
Things Kraft could have done:

1. Not fire 2 employees when they did nothing wrong. If the NFL wanted them fired, the NFL should've done so.

2. Appealed, if possible.

3. Called out Goodell in the press as a witchhunt and point out the Jets ties to the NFL offices.

4. Been there during Brady's appeal, if he cared more about Brady than letting a corrupt Commissioner try to maintain unchecked power

5. Not be seen hugging Goodell.

6. Not make the claim in private owners meetings 'whats good for the league matters more to me than the integrity of an investigation against my team'

7. Not backed Goodell during the Ray Rice fiasco when a Judge basically ruled that Goodell lied about what Ray said.

8. Not backed Goodell after they did a SpyGate like embellishment of the Saints BountyGate issue

9. Actually fought against Spygate penalties or atleast said 'We were caught using a camera 80 feet from where it should've been'. Instead he said something like 'I was disappointed in BB and believe he'll never commit such a crime again'


Kraft was lucky enough to hire BB (when he did so, he didn't know Bill would be the greatest coach of all time) -- and he was smart enough to stay hands off when Brady replaced Bledsoe;
And Kraft gets to stand in the locker room so all the players can hug him and he can say great job to them after the game, as if a Billionaire has any ability to relate to professional athletes.
But he's been terrible at defending his team's reputation.

1-9 are all better alternatives than Kraft chose.

As for the locker room, take a look at the videos of Kraft hugging the players and see if there isn't a slight difference in the way the players respond to him. It looks like some of the love has waned a bit and some hugs are forced. Gronk especially looked like that the last time.
 
1-9 are all better alternatives than Kraft chose.

As for the locker room, take a look at the videos of Kraft hugging the players and see if there isn't a slight difference in the way the players respond to him. It looks like some of the love has waned a bit and some hugs are forced. Gronk especially looked like that the last time.

It didn't help that he was fed the little speech by Stacey James and his crew beforehand. 2 or 3 oddly specific things thrown in there. So oddly specific they seemed a little out of place.

Belichick typically doesn't employ dumb guys.
 
I like the PR campaign they waged Thursday night.

Is somebody saying the players used to love hugging an old man slightly more than they do now?
 
Just a thought.

Since we all know the NFL will never turn over those PSI readings. If Brady were to SUE the NFL for defamation (Im praying he does) I wonder if he'd be able to subpoena the readings for part of his case?
So much good can come out Brady suing the league. Im praying he does sometime after the season.

The biggest possible slap in the face to Goodell and the other 31 NFL owners would be Brady suing them for 100 million plus, winning, and then signing a veterans minimum contract. Then use that 15 million a year to sign a player like Calvin Johnson, and go on a campaign to put up like 60 points on every team for the remainder of his career.

How awesome would that be!

**** Goodell!
 
Such as?

Bear in mind "people saying mean things about a public figure or figures" isn't grounds for a defamation suit.

Considering the value of the franchise has increased dramatically since this happened, would make it very difficult to claim that there was actual injury done.

Brady could potentially make that case, but Kraft can't.
Kraft can sue for the draft picks being taken away based upon zero evidence, based upon precedent, based upon antitrust, based upon being a violation of his owners agreement with the league, just to name a few reasons and I'm sure a smart attorney could find more.
I dont give a crap about defamation its about the franchise losing assets for no good reason.


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He certainly should have availed himself of the (admittedly doomed to fail) internal appeals process. And one exists, because SD appealed the towel thing.

Much less clear he has the right to take the league to court. First, Davis sued the league on anti-trust grounds and (according to McCann) federal law makes it very hard to waive your right to sue on anti-trust grounds (and any lawsuit by Kraft on Deflategate would not be about anti-trust issues). Second, it is widely believed in the sports law community that in part because of the Davis lawsuits, the league significantly tightened up the agreements between the teams and the league to make it even harder to sue.
The fact that it involves draft picks absolutely puts in under antitrust if Kraft chose to do that.
Not saying he should but saying he could.
The no brainier is that he should have appealed. That was an egregious mistake.


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Its time to forget about the draft picks which were given away and realize that Kraft will never sue the League. What Kraft needs to do is to call out Goodell himself and his minions in public and say that the harassment must stop. In addition, he should say that his only relationship with Goodell is through his attorneys with no more hugs and kisses for the POS. If he can't or won't do this it's time for him to turn the team over to Jonathan.
 
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