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With the way Chandler is going, he will command big money on the open market. Only way he stays is if he takes a team friendly deal, similar to McCourty.

Let just go to show how the FO has nailed the first rd draft picks lately going back to 2010.

2010 McCourty
2011 Solder
2012 Jones & Hightower
2013 Traded back into the second and landed Collins
2014 Easley
2015 Brown

If just one of the last two DL picks pans out to a productive five year rookie contract, it will be a remarkable run.

If both Easley and Brown pan out, that's horrible news for the rest of the NFL.
 
If just one of the last two DL picks pans out to a productive five year rookie contract, it will be a remarkable run.

If both Easley and Brown pan out, that's horrible news for the rest of the NFL.

Supa, when Easley been in there, he's been disruptive. It doesn't show on the stat sheet (0.5 sacks) but he's been a force. His problem is of course is durability. Malcom Brown seems to be getting better every week.
 
Supa, when Easley been in there, he's been disruptive. It doesn't show on the stat sheet (0.5 sacks) but he's been a force. His problem is of course is durability. Malcom Brown seems to be getting better every week.

Definitely. I agree with you, Im just speaking of the bigger picture, that's all.
 
Honestly you might be able to afford all three with careful budgeting and them taking below market deals.
If our secondary can play well and we dont need to pay top 5 defensive back money we should be able to lock up 2 of 3 or 3 of 3.
I know this will get tons of disagrees, but I don't see a scenario where any of them take "below market deals." So as many have suggested, I'd rather have Collins and Hightower, who have been far more consistent and just better, than Jones. He's playing extremely well right now, since the second half of the Colts especially. The very remarkable thing about the Colts is that he got better as the game went on, which has not historically been the case with him in the past. And as some have alluded, he had the best game of his career against the Dolphins the other night. But there is a reason why there has been much debate over him by us and even the local and national media (to a lesser degree). He has been inconsistent. He has disappeared in games late. He has missed many games. Let's let the season play out. Let's see what he does in the playoffs. This, to me, will go a long way for him in terms of leverage with the organization. Vereen was probably always going to make good money on the market, but that SB performance did not hurt his case.

I have always felt that, like Ninko replaced Vrabel and High is the new age Tedy Bruschi (just as smart and more physically gifted), Jones is supposed to be the new Willie Mac. And if you all remember halftime, one of the main things talked about is how he brought it to an even higher level in the playoffs. Jones really didn't do that in the playoffs. He had a sack in the SB, but that was more-or-less a blown assignment by the Seahawks. But that's not to say he won't do that this season. Let's see how things play out. I would love to keep all three of Jones, High and Collins (the new Phifer), but I just have a hard time seeing it play out this way.
 
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I know this will get tons of disagrees, but I don't see a scenario where any of them take "below market deals." So as many of suggested, I'd rather have Collins and Hightower, who have been far more consistent and just better, than Jones. He's playing extremely well right now, since the second half of the Colts especially. The very remarkable thing about the Colts is that he got better as the game went on, which has not historically been the case with him in the past. And as some have alluded, he had the best game of his career against the Dolphins the other night. But there is a reason why there has been much debate over him by us and even the local and national media (to a lesser degree). He has been inconsistent. He has disappeared in games late. He has missed many games. Let's let the season play out. Let's see what he does in the playoffs. This, to me, will go a long way for him in terms of leverage with the organization. Vereen was probably always going to make good money on the market, but that SB performance did not hurt his case.

I have always felt that, like Ninko replaced Vrabel and High is the new age Tedy Bruschi (just as smart and more physically gifted), Jones is supposed to be the new Willie Mac. And if you all remember halftime, one of the main things talked about is how he brought it to an even higher level in the playoffs. Jones really didn't do that in the playoffs. He had a sack in the SB, but that was more-or-less a blown assignment by the Seahawks. But that's not to say he won't do that this season. Let's see how things play out. I would love to keep all three of Jones, High and Collins (the new Phifer), but I just have a hard time seeing it play out this way.

If none of the three take below market deals, I would be much more comfortable giving Collins and Hightower LBer market value (Lavonte David, Luke Keuchly) than Jones pass rusher market value (Houston, Mario Williams). The difference in value between the positions is quite significant, even though I think most on here agree that Collins and Hightower are the more important players for us.
 
With the way Chandler is going, he will command big money on the open market. Only way he stays is if he takes a team friendly deal, similar to McCourty.

Let just go to show how the FO has nailed the first rd draft picks lately going back to 2010.

2010 McCourty
2011 Solder
2012 Jones & Hightower
2013 Traded back into the second and landed Collins
2014 Easley
2015 Brown

If only we had pick #32 next spring
 
If only we had pick #32 next spring

Ouch....

But that's ok. Its gonna be a big FU to the league when we trade Chandler Jones for the 33rd pick this year, and a first NEXT!!!!!!

Kidding...
 
I know this will get tons of disagrees, but I don't see a scenario where any of them take "below market deals." So as many have suggested, I'd rather have Collins and Hightower, who have been far more consistent and just better, than Jones. He's playing extremely well right now, since the second half of the Colts especially. The very remarkable thing about the Colts is that he got better as the game went on, which has not historically been the case with him in the past. And as some have alluded, he had the best game of his career against the Dolphins the other night. But there is a reason why there has been much debate over him by us and even the local and national media (to a lesser degree). He has been inconsistent. He has disappeared in games late. He has missed many games. Let's let the season play out. Let's see what he does in the playoffs. This, to me, will go a long way for him in terms of leverage with the organization. Vereen was probably always going to make good money on the market, but that SB performance did not hurt his case.

I have always felt that, like Ninko replaced Vrabel and High is the new age Tedy Bruschi (just as smart and more physically gifted), Jones is supposed to be the new Willie Mac. And if you all remember halftime, one of the main things talked about is how he brought it to an even higher level in the playoffs. Jones really didn't do that in the playoffs. He had a sack in the SB, but that was more-or-less a blown assignment by the Seahawks. But that's not to say he won't do that this season. Let's see how things play out. I would love to keep all three of Jones, High and Collins (the new Phifer), but I just have a hard time seeing it play out this way.

I can see Hightower taking one. I dunno about Jones. Regarding Collins, I just feel hes the most valuable player out of the 3. Ive always said, if you look at his measurables, thats a guy we normally never have a chance at drafting. If Collins came from a bigger school and had a set position throughout college, hes a top 10 pick. Maybe top 5. It would be a shame to let a talent like that walk.
 
If only we had pick #32 next spring
I don't see why we don't appeal that? For argument sake, if a low level employee purposely deflates balls without top lever consent, the whole team pays? That seems harsh. A fine is fine but something intangible like a first round pick is unfair.

A pick would be reasonable if there were suspicions of balls getting deflated and the team failed to act but here the NFL proved nothing. Kraft needs to go to work and get that pick back or I will.

Moreso, does the NFL fine a team and take away picks if their players repeatedly violate a clear NFL rule by taking PEDs in order to have an advantage over other teams?
 
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If only we had pick #32 next spring
In another thread I half jokingly said we should trade Jimmy G and Dobson for Houston's 2016 2nd and 2017 4th. It would be hilarious if the Pats picked just a couple of picks back from where they're supposed to.
 
Some comments on the comments:

1. None of us should forget to mention the Jones vs Couples comparison to the next Jet fan we encounter.

2. Jones has always been a good pro, right from the start. He's been a solid edge player, a guy who could drop back into coverage, and a decent pass rusher. The last couple of years you could add another asset, dependability. He and Ninko have played over 90% of the defensive snaps. We shouldn't forget how important that is in a player. A gifted player doesn't do you much good on the sidelines.

3. I think what makes Jones leading the league in sacks so impressive, is the defensive system he plays in isn't made to showcase a sack artist. Willie McGinest NEVER had a 10 sack season under BB. Vrabel had only one.

4. Sacks are NOT the best measuring stick for how good a player is. There was a perfect example vs the Dolphins in Jones' first sack. He was pretty much stoned when 2 guys flushed Tannihill right into his arms near the LOS. On the stat sheet, Jones gets the sack, but he was just the beneficiary of someone else's hard work, on that play. Sacks are nice for the fans and media, but Jones' all around game is what will determine his value to BB.

5. Jones strikes me as being a very grounded and sensible guy. In his locker room interview he credited Matty P's scheming for his sack. When was the last time you heard a sacker do that?

He MIGHT just be smart enough to realize that a lot of his success is derived from the team, and that "enough" money isn't necessarily the most money. He shows signs that MAYBE he will be like Brady, Bruschi, and McGinest, etc, and decide that true happiness isn't getting the last dollar.

6. As for our ability to sign Jones, Hightower, and Collins, who knows. Who knows the cap number. Who knows what the market will be. Who know what their individual demands will be. We will simply have to wait until the time comes.....and hope for the best.

7. One thought on Mayo. At the end of the game when Mayo was in there. He was part of a pass rush, and I thought he showed a good burst in getting to the passer. So if he's running well. Just why isn't he getting on the field as the 3rd LB?
 
I can see Hightower taking one. I dunno about Jones. Regarding Collins, I just feel hes the most valuable player out of the 3. Ive always said, if you look at his measurables, thats a guy we normally never have a chance at drafting. If Collins came from a bigger school and had a set position throughout college, hes a top 10 pick. Maybe top 5. It would be a shame to let a talent like that walk.
I'm sure he's considered the no. 1 priority because he is so physically gifted. But watch High out there. That guy, provided health, is going to command top dollar at his position as well. The defense looked completely different when he returned. They asked Freeney to do High's job against the Colts and he just could not do the things High does man. High destroys the pocket when he crashes that A-Gap. He comes of the edge equally well. And he has gotten a bit better in coverage. No hometown deal there, IMO. He's being used the way we envisioned when he was drafted. And he SO SMART! We don't win the SB without contributions from everyone, but his contributions rank among the biggest. He singe handedly stops Lynch short of the goalline in that game. The rest was, as you know, history. High is just as important as Collins but in a different way. They'll find a way to keep both. Jones would be the odd man out, especially since his position commands so much more.
 
I could see the Giants being all over Chandler Jones if he becomes available. Replacement for JPP, fits the scheme, boosts a major weakness and they've shown a willingness to spend big money on Patriot players (Vereen/McCourty).
 
I'm sure he's considered the no. 1 priority because he is so physically gifted. But watch High out there. That guy, provided health, is going to command top dollar at his position as well. The defense looked completely different when he returned. They asked Freeney to do High's job against the Colts and he just could not do the things High does man. High destroys the pocket when he crashes that A-Gap. He comes of the edge equally well. And he has gotten a bit better in coverage. No hometown deal there, IMO. He's being used the way we envisioned when he was drafted. And he SO SMART! We don't win the SB without contributions from everyone, but his contributions rank among the biggest. He singe handedly stops Lynch short of the goalline in that game. The rest was, as you know, history. High is just as important as Collins but in a different way. They'll find a way to keep both. Jones would be the odd man out, especially since his position commands so much more.

Agreed. I'm not convinced I'd take Collins over Hightower. They're both outstanding and compliment each other brilliantly but I think Hightower might be the harder to replace. There are a number of athletic linebackers in the NFL. There aren't many (or any) 270lb ILBs with Hightower's explosiveness. Dont get me wrong, Collins is unique himself, but in terms of pairings, it might be easier to get someone more like Collins than it would be to find another Hightower.
 
Agreed. I'm not convinced I'd take Collins over Hightower. They're both outstanding and compliment each other brilliantly but I think Hightower might be the harder to replace. There are a number of athletic linebackers in the NFL. There aren't many (or any) 270lb ILBs with Hightower's explosiveness. Dont get me wrong, Collins is unique himself, but in terms of pairings, it might be easier to get someone more like Collins than it would be to find another Hightower.

And you touched on perhaps the most important part to the argument: the pairing of the two. They compliment each other SO DAMN WELL. And that's how Bill's LB corp has always been constructed. You never know which one is coming and which one is dropping. When they both come, it's havoc. High rushes off the edge with a bit more effectiveness than Collins, who normally likes to stunt to the inside. Collins is slightly better (IMO) rushing up the middle because he has the quickness to make linemen and RB's miss and the speed to close on the QB, whereas High relies on brute force to just run through guys and that eats up a few seconds if he doesn't immediately blow the guy up on impact. See, it's the sum of the parts that make the whole so incredible.
 
With the way Chandler is going, he will command big money on the open market. Only way he stays is if he takes a team friendly deal, similar to McCourty.

Part of what will determine Jone's affordability is going to depend on how high Von Miller sets the market.
 
Oh, and let's not forget Sheard can do all the things Jones is asked to do out there.
 
Oh, and let's not forget Sheard can do all the things Jones is asked to do out there.

We also have Tre Flowers as a potential Jones replacement, but we have no possible Hightower and Collins replacements.
 
We should be able to lock up all three but if one had to be traded then Jones would probably be it, it's hard these days to get talent at the linebacker position, Collins and Hightower are only going to get better, same can be said for Jones but again I'd take two great linebackers vs a pass rusher.
 
Oh, and let's not forget Sheard can do all the things Jones is asked to do out there.

And don't forget about Flowers, Grissom, and Rufus Johnson. The Pats will have an easier replacing Jones' edge production than what Hightower and Collins have done as linebackers.
 
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