Anyone still want to trade Chandler Jones?

PatsWickedPissah said:

Welcome to the 2015 Patriots season!
You're aware that Roger Goodell has decreed that IF the Pats trade for a 1st round pick it's null & void.

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That's not actually true. What happens is they lose that pick and get back their own pick (unless they somehow end up with a pick higher than the one they trade for).

And yes, it applies to the 2017 pick as well.

Galeb said:

Would a Brady contract extension at vet minimum qualify as such a miracle? What if it were coupled with significant Mayo and Amendola restructures?

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Mayo won't be restructured, he's just going to get a hearty thank you for your time. Interestingly, a good option for freeing up cap room is signing Jones and HT, so that may increase the odds of keeping all three.

Marqui said:

Seymour was over 30, has nothing to do with Jones' situation. Ninkovich is probably the one they'll try to get rid of.

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Of course it does. It isn't a perfect example, but it still negates the value of the Wilfork/Mankins example.

This is the Chandler Jones I've been expecting to see. Good to see him having a dominant start to the season.

nfl sack leader!!!

I am sure everyone would like to sign Chandler Jones, but unfortunately we probably wont be able to resign, Collins, Hightower & Jones.

Jones is having a good year & he may be the most expensive of the bunch to resign.

A lot of people on these boards wanted us to pay Vince Wilfork this year.

I am sure the same people wanted us to resign Welker to what ever he wanted.

I am glad we have Belichick running the show. He knew Wilfork was done & it was time to move on. Belichick doesn't pay for past performance.

Look at the contract Indy gave Andre Johnson. He got good money & he is no longer a good player.

If Chandler is looking for a top pay day, he will probably either get traded or leave as a FA after next season.

If he wants to remain a Patriot & take a contract the team can afford, he may retire a Patriot.

It's amazing how many people have already written off signing all 3 without even knowing what the salary cap will actually be in 2017.

Nobody can predict the future, but early estimates forecast it rising upwards of $160M in 2016, and so we may very well have some more room to work with.

convertedpatsfan said:

It's amazing how many people have already written off signing all 3 without even knowing what the salary cap will actually be in 2017.

Nobody can predict the future, but early estimates forecast it rising upwards of $160M in 2016, and so we may very well have some more room to work with.

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Taking that number into account, that gives us about $80m less any extensions/free agency signings. Based upon their 2017 cap hits, that's enough to sign Revis, Suh, Justin Houston and still have $30m left over.

Nunchucks said:

I don't see why the Patriots cannot sign all three. Remember, the cap can be manipulated...Brady is signed for cheap..The Patriots aren't spending a lot on their offense.

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Hey if the Seahawks can give top 3 contracts to like 90% of their defense, the Pats should be able to figure out how to keep all 3 of their young defensive studs..

It would kill me inside to see any 3 of Collins, Jones or Hightower move on.. and Rex Ryan or another division rival would be ALL OVER THEM if they became available

I really hope they can figure it out.. Mayo will be gone next year and Hightower will basically replace his contract, Collins they can just work into their existing cap.. but im not sure where they'll get the money for Jones who will command $10+ mill a year against the cap

PP2 said:

The hard truth is that it's a lot harder to develop interior linebackers than it is to develop outside rushers, so Hightower and Collins are our priority to resign. We probably won't have enough left over to sign Jones to an extension.

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I guess that's why we've developed so many?

I threw around the idea of trading Chandler Jones in the draft forum (mainly just as the only way I could see us getting Leonard Fournette in 2017). It's not so much whether or not we could afford to keep all three of Jones, Hightower and Collins, its whether or not Jones and the Pats can agree on value. If Chandler puts up 18-20 sacks this year and starts asking for elite pass rusher money, he is gone regardless of the cap space we have.

What do you do if we get to the end of the season and start negotiating with Jones, Hightower and Collins and Chandler starts demanding Justin Houston money? He is certainly not going to get that here. So the question is, would we get more value having him play out his 5th year at $7.8mil, then walking as a FA and likely getting a 3rd round compensation pick in 2017. Or would we be better off trading him after the season, clearing that cap space and getting a haul of picks. Then we have to take into consideration that Ninko could be near the end of his career, Sheard will be a free agent after 2016 and we lose our highest 1st round draft pick in 2016.

The third alternative, and my favorite if we cant come to terms with Chandler would be to have him play out 2016, franchise him and then trade him. We get full use of his 5 year rookie contract and still get a better return than letting him walk as a free agent. We also don't have to wait a year for full compensation like we would trading him after this season because of the loss of our highest 1st round pick. Now whether or not we could do this would depend on a number of factors. I would only do this if we could lock up both Hightower and Collins because I value them both much more and would use the franchise tag on either if necessary to keep them. We would also need to have enough cap space to retain him under the franchise tag until we are able to trade him.

In the end I think all of us would prefer to keep all three of Jones, Hightower and Collins, but if we are to lose one, Jones is the most likely because pass rushers get paid a premium and I think he could be the hardest to agree with on value. The question isn't can we afford all three, its do we agree with value on all three.

Most likely we let Mayo walk to save on his 9m cap figure and we resign all 3 of Collins, Hightower, and Jones. I don't see Jones as being the odd man out.

Angelpats said:

As stated above, between Collins, Ht, and jones people picked jones as the one to trade. I like how we have homegrown talent and its less risky to resign these guys and it builds loyalty for all around if we do. If they do something with mayo we should be able to afford them all.

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FourierSeries said:

This is the Chandler Jones I've been expecting to see. Good to see him having a dominant start to the season.

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He is so much fun to watch when he is on isn't he.

ctpatsfan77 said:

That's not actually true. What happens is they lose that pick and get back their own pick (unless they somehow end up with a pick higher than the one they trade for).

And yes, it applies to the 2017 pick as well.

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Just adding to your thought, all Goodell did was try and avoid a scenario like 2008 (punishment for 2007 spygate) where we were able to keep the pick from SF and still pick in the top 10 selections. He may have taken away OUR first rounder, but Goodell cannot take away our ability to make trades.

As you've mentioned, if N.England were scheduled to pick at say, #30 this year, they could easily trade someone for the 26th, 27th, 28th (etc) pick and really not lose that much value at all. Or in a best case scenario, they could simply trade for the 29th pick, where they'd only lose one spot. It just means that we pick at 30 no matter what, that's all.

Obviously, the choice to pick at #30 is just for example, as we all hope that it would be #32, but the point is that no matter who we traded for this hypothetical first round pick, it would automatically defer to where our original pick was supposed to be based on how the year plays out.

supafly said:

Just adding to your thought, all Goodell did was try and avoid a scenario like 2008 (punishment for 2007 spygate) where we were able to keep the pick from SF and still pick in the top 10 selections. He may have taken away OUR first rounder, but Goodell cannot take away our ability to make trades.

As you've mentioned, if N.England were scheduled to pick at say, #30 this year, they could easily trade someone for the 26th, 27th, 28th (etc) pick and really not lose that much value at all. Or in a best case scenario, they could simply trade for the 29th pick, where they'd only lose one spot. It just means that we pick at 30 no matter what, that's all.

Obviously, the choice to pick at #30 is just for example, as we all hope that it would be #32, but the point is that no matter who we traded for this hypothetical first round pick, it would automatically defer to where our original pick was supposed to be based on how the year plays out.

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They can also always go the route of trading for a player not a draft spot. Let the other team pick a player up at e.g. #23 and then execute the trade. What a nice middle finger move it would be.

luuked said:

They can also always go the route of trading for a player not a draft spot. Let the other team pick a player up at e.g. #23 and then execute the trade. What a nice middle finger move it would be.

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Now that's a scenario that would signify the ultimate middle finger, although winning the SB and somehow selecting at #33 would be nice too.

I couldn't imagine what people would say if they allowed a team to draft a first round pick, then swooped in and traded for that player. That would be hilarious. Well played, sir.

Always difficult for fans to assess how well a D Lineman is playing, in the time machine remember when Richard Seymour was playing at a high level for this team and did not show up in the box score and was lambasted on this board as an "overpriced", "overhyped" player.

Then BB would ascend to the podium and tell the world what a great game Seymour played..

Over and over again Sims Sunday nite was discussing how well the Pats "hold the edge" and take that option away, which makes Jones Sack total even more impressive..

Just remember that Brady playing for a very cheap salary is a huge advantage for us.

DarrylS said:

Always difficult for fans to assess how well a D Lineman is playing, in the time machine remember when Richard Seymour was playing at a high level for this team and did not show up in the box score and was lambasted on this board as an "overpriced", "overhyped" player.

Then BB would ascend to the podium and tell the world what a great game Seymour played..

Over and over again Sims Sunday nite was discussing how well the Pats "hold the edge" and take that option away, which makes Jones Sack total even more impressive..

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Ill always feel that Big Sey was a beast, even at the end of his career. I think we struggled to replace him for awhile.

It's good to see the DL looking sharp, and the combination of the LBs make this a very good front seven. They are athletic, can get to the passer without having to take too many risks on blitzes, can stop the run, and even contribute to pass coverage better than past years.

With the way Chandler is going, he will command big money on the open market. Only way he stays is if he takes a team friendly deal, similar to McCourty.

Let just go to show how the FO has nailed the first rd draft picks lately going back to 2010.

2010 McCourty
2011 Solder
2012 Jones & Hightower
2013 Traded back into the second and landed Collins
2014 Easley
2015 Brown