Jerod Mayo vs NYJ: Only One Snap (that didn't count)

unoriginal · Oct 26, 2015

condon84 said:
And I will disagree. While Mayo was solid and great at lining everybody where they were supposed to be, he never was the impact player Hightower is now.

They blitz Hightower a ton now. When Mayo was in his pre-injury prime the Pats didn't have a single-high safety (McCourty, Harmon) to free up that extra rusher.

Anyway we should be comparing Hightower to Spikes, they play the same position in the 4-2-5 base. A lot of the stuff plays Hightower makes Spikes made as well, because that's what they're asked to do. Hightower is much better in coverage than Spikes was, and they blitz him more, because they can put Chung in the box and take away LB coverage responsibilities that way.

Mayo used to be a very effective blitzer. Just never got to do it much because middle-of-the-field coverage was such a ****show.

condon84 · Oct 26, 2015

unoriginal said:
They blitz Hightower a ton now. When Mayo was in his pre-injury prime the Pats didn't have a single-high safety (McCourty, Harmon) to free up that extra rusher.

Anyway we should be comparing Hightower to Spikes, they play the same position in the 4-2-5 base. A lot of the stuff plays Hightower makes Spikes made as well, because that's what they're asked to do. Hightower is much better in coverage than Spikes was, and they blitz him more, because they can put Chung in the box and take away LB coverage responsibilities that way.

Mayo used to be a very effective blitzer.

Hightower took over Mayo's position last year when Mayo got hurt and performed at a higher level than Mayo ever did.

patsinthesnow · Oct 26, 2015

Mayo was likely Plan B to Rolando McClain this year. We see why.

PatsFan2 · Oct 26, 2015

Guys as the snap count shows knowing what they bring to the table do we want Jamie Collins or Dante Hightower off the field over Mayo??? Didn't think so.! Jamie Collins and Dante Hightower are loads and Hit! like trucks. Not even when Mayo was good he played at the level of those guys. Mayo's ship has sailed!

unoriginal · Oct 26, 2015

condon84 said:
Hightower took over Mayo's position last year when Mayo got hurt and performed at a higher level than Mayo ever did.

Mayo was first hurt the year previous... and when Hightower took over then it got much worse. Obviously Hightower improved his third year as is natural but Mayo also was in a recovery year and not playing up to his normal standards. Hightower was also greatly helped by the emergence of Collins alongside him. Mayo never got to play alongside a comparable linebacker.

I think this is a case of "what have you done for me lately."

Ivan · Oct 26, 2015

Well what do you know, many of the same people who wanted Amendola gone now want Mayo gone. It's always a case of what have you done for me lately.... Half this team wouldn't be here if the fans who bailed on them late September (2014) were in charge.

chasa · Oct 26, 2015

Ivan said:
Well what do you know, many of the same people who wanted Amendola gone now want Mayo gone. It's always a case of what have you done for me lately.... Half this team wouldn't be here if the fans who bailed on them late September (2014) were in charge.

I don't think want him gone, so much as people realize that we have players who are better.

that being said, Mayo will not be on this team next year with his current contract in place.

RobertWeathers · Oct 26, 2015

chasa said:
I'd say hightower is the player mayo WAS, prior to injury and age.

Different players.

Ivan · Oct 26, 2015

chasa said:
I don't think want him gone, so much as people realize that we have players who are better.

that being said, Mayo will not be on this team next year with his current contract in place.

I agree that he will have to take a serious pay cut if he stays on the bench but it's a long season and he still has a decent chance to shake the rust off and show her can still play at a high level.

I don't like seeing guys who have contributed significantly to the Patriots getting bum rushed out of NE and I see it happen a lot.

VrabelJr · Oct 26, 2015

voluntarysaftey said:
I think Mayo was overrated by many people on this board (as happens with a lot of Patriots players).
Mayo was considered one of the best LBs in the league.

I saw him as 'above average starter' -- he made his tackles but wasn't a game changer.

I imagine if he's still injured, that he'd have been inactive.

So either the injuries turned him from 'good' to 'poor' (or great to poor as many people here thought), and his contract was a huge waste as we didn't get anything out of him since he signed with 3 lost seasons.

Or he's not injured, but it'll take some time for him to get his muscle/strength back and hopefully by January he's back to being 'good' -- which will still make it a bad contract overall but atleast not a total waste.

You do realize Mayo played next to garbage LBs for every year except his rookie year, right? His rookie year Bruschi was still around but a shell of himself. And then when Collins and Hightower show up he suffered season ending injuries both years. Mayo was effectively playing 2-3 LB positions because Spikes, Guyton and a whole bunch of other names I've gladly forgotten were so incompetent.

E1Downey · Oct 26, 2015

condon84 said:
And I will disagree. While Mayo was solid and great at lining everybody where they were supposed to be, he never was the impact player Hightower is now.

Agreed. Mayo was always solid but he was never the disruptive force that HT is.

Wheelman · Oct 26, 2015

If I understand this correctly a patellae tendon tear is a much more serious knee injury than an acl tear. Mayo only partially tore his patellae tendon where as Cruz had a patellae tendon rupture which is worse.

I don't know if Mayo is rusty or if it's the knee but more time needs to be given to him. I hope the Patriots use this as leverage to restructure his contract further and he agrees to it and then plays better next season.

E1Downey · Oct 26, 2015

Ivan said:
Well what do you know, many of the same people who wanted Amendola gone now want Mayo gone. It's always a case of what have you done for me lately.... Half this team wouldn't be here if the fans who bailed on them late September (2014) were in charge.

I can appreciate everything you said but idk. I think if preinjury Mayo was inserted into the same circumstances and advantages that you say HT has, he just wouldn't be as disruptive as HT is. Though that is totally just theoretical speculation as its basically a "what if" game. But thats how i feel.

The Brandon Five · Oct 26, 2015

As noted elsewhere the use of a limited amount of personnel means that there are some fresh legs on the roster for the Thursday night game. Maybe Mayo is part of that plan?

Ivan · Oct 26, 2015

E1Downey said:
I can appreciate everything you said but idk. I think if preinjury Mayo was inserted into the same circumstances and advantages that you say HT has, he just wouldn't be as disruptive as HT is. Though that is totally just theoretical speculation as its basically a "what if" game. But thats how i feel.

I agree with that, Hightower is a great young LB. They can replace Jones to some degree but need to lock up Hightower and Collins.

patfanken · Oct 26, 2015

chasa said:
I don't think want him gone, so much as people realize that we have players who are better.

that being said, Mayo will not be on this team next year with his current contract in place.

Whether you are a fan of Mayo or a detractor, I think we can ALL agree with the above statement.

aluminum seats · Oct 26, 2015

patfanken said:
Whether you are a fan of Mayo or a detractor, I think we can ALL agree with the above statement.

I think everyone's on the same page with Mayo, really...

E1Downey · Oct 26, 2015

Ivan said:
I agree with that, Hightower is a great young LB. They can replace Jones to some degree but need to lock up Hightower and Collins.

Man it certainly would be sweet to retain all three but i think you're correct in prioritizing that LB duo.

The front seven is certainly fun to watch!

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