Asante should of atleast...

JackBauer said:

Samuel gave up the fewest YPR last season aside from RW McQuarters (outlier as a nickel back). I have the facts solidly on my side, while all you have are your delusions.

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Delusional is thinking that one good season makes a guy a top 5 CB. How many missed tackles did he have? How many routes did he jump and miss? I can name five cb's better than him off the top of my head.

Champ Bailey
Nate Clements
Chris Mcalister
Antoine Winfield
dre bly

mgcolby said:

Delusional is thinking that one good season makes a guy a top 5 CB. How many missed tackles did he have? How many routes did he jump and miss? I can name five cb's better than him off the top of my head.

Champ Bailey
Nate Clements
Chris Mcalister
Antoine Winfield
dre bly

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While I agree with you about Samuel and his jumping routes and his tackling, I can't agree about Dre Bly. Asomougha from the Raiders is a better CB though.

My opinion is that he will be there and pay his respects.

No way he holds out, thats a lot of money to pass up every week. He will sign.

DaBruinz said:

While I agree with you about Samuel and his jumping routes and his tackling, I can't agree about Dre Bly. Asomougha from the Raiders is a better CB though.

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I almost edited my post and put him in there.

Guys that I think are better

Terence Newman
Nnamdi Asomugha
Fred Smoot
Nathan Vasher
Deangelo Hall

Some others you could throw into the argument

Ken Lucas
Samare Rolle
Lito Sheppard

mgcolby said:

Delusional is thinking that one good season makes a guy a top 5 CB. How many missed tackles did he have? How many routes did he jump and miss? I can name five cb's better than him off the top of my head.

Champ Bailey
Nate Clements
Chris Mcalister
Antoine Winfield
dre bly

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You can't in one breath wonder how many routes Asante jumped and missed and in the next sentence call Dre Bly a top 5 corner. All Bly does is gamble and jump routes. He gives up more big plays than he makes. Samuel is clealry a superior player.

mgcolby said:

Of what caliber? The kind that gives up as many big plays as he intercepts?

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lol watch a game much? I dont remember seeing Asante give up a big play in awhile actually.

mgcolby said:

I almost edited my post and put him in there.

Guys that I think are better

Terence Newman
Nnamdi Asomugha
Fred Smoot
Nathan Vasher
Deangelo Hall

Some others you could throw into the argument

Ken Lucas
Samare Rolle
Lito Sheppard

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wow terrible list. do u awtch ANY football? Smoot got let go by Vikings why? HE WAS TERRIBLE. Hall? Incase u havent noticed..hes fell out of top 5 because his bad performance last season..

now heres where u get way out of line. Samari Rolle? You realize he was 1 of the worst starting CBs last year? He gave up plays over and over and didnt get much back

Asante didnt give up big plays..i dont recall. 2 seasons ago? Yes. Last year? Not really

Missed tackles..he was actually very good tackling till end of year where he tried to hit stick MJD and he bounced off. If i remember correctly..no1 really ran well on Asante

i dont think Asante is top 5 yet..but hes around 7-8

1. Bailey
2. McAlister
3. Newman
4. Mathis
5. Lucas(when healthy..dont base off last year)
6. Asomougha
7. Samuel
8. Clements
9. Hall
10. Harris

Remix 6 said:

lol watch a game much? I dont remember seeing Asante give up a big play in awhile actually.

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Yup, all of them. Big play is up for interpretation, but I consider jumping a route and giving a receiver 15-20 yards multiple times in the same game big plays (Jax). I call giving up a TD in the red zone because he didn't bother playing his man a big play (Detroit). I call giving up a 40+ yard reception because he went for the glory pick instead of deflecting the pass a big play (Chicago).

I'm sure if I think hard enough I could think of more. The first Jets game, instead of wrapping up and tackling the receiver he went for the highlight reel hit and ended up giving up a TD.

So I guess I should ask you, do you watch the games much?

mgcolby said:

Yup, all of them. Big play is up for interpretation, but I consider jumping a route and giving a receiver 15-20 yards multiple times in the same game big plays (Jax). I call giving up a TD in the red zone because he didn't bother playing his man a big play (Detroit). I call giving up a 40+ yard reception because he went for the glory pick instead of deflecting the pass a big play (Chicago).

I'm sure if I think hard enough I could think of more. The first Jets game, instead of wrapping up and tackling the receiver he went for the highlight reel hit and ended up giving up a TD.

So I guess I should ask you, do you watch the games much?

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get your players straight. sounds like your using Hobbs as the example..not Samuel. that tackle verse the Jets..that was Chad SCott and Wilson..Scott held him up..Wilson came for hit (or other way around) and Cotchery got lucky..nothing wrong from skill..just bad luck

against jacksonville..Hobbs gave up 2 big plays against Matt Jones. The Detroit play was a zone..wasnt it between him and Furrey? He was covering Roy Williams for most of the game anyways. i dont remember the Chicago game besides me worrying about the safeties verse Berrian. Samuel had 3 picks..not a single mention of a bad play should be allowed

what did he do during playoffs? How many catches did he allow verse Jets? 1 or 2 short ones? What about Chargers? He didnt let anything near him. Colts? He had a pick 6 and held Harrison in check

Poll said:

Isn't Florida closer to La than New England?

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Exactly. The guy is a free agent working out in Florida, he's supposed to fly to Massachusetts hoping to hitch a ride on the Patriots' plane in order to get to Louisiana? I'd certainly hope he'd attend the service, but how he gets there is hardly the point.

Remix 6 said:

wow terrible list. do u awtch ANY football? Smoot got let go by Vikings why? HE WAS TERRIBLE. Hall? Incase u havent noticed..hes fell out of top 5 because his bad performance last season..

now heres where u get way out of line. Samari Rolle? You realize he was 1 of the worst starting CBs last year? He gave up plays over and over and didnt get much back

Asante didnt give up big plays..i dont recall. 2 seasons ago? Yes. Last year? Not really

Missed tackles..he was actually very good tackling till end of year where he tried to hit stick MJD and he bounced off. If i remember correctly..no1 really ran well on Asante

i dont think Asante is top 5 yet..but hes around 7-8

1. Bailey
2. McAlister
3. Newman
4. Mathis
5. Lucas(when healthy..dont base off last year)
6. Asomougha
7. Samuel
8. Clements
9. Hall
10. Harris

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Wow, you take 8 of the same guys on my list and call it terrible. Brilliant. Hall had a rough season as did that entire secondary because their line sucked. But just as I feel one season doesn't put you in the top 5 one bad doesn't take you out, although I don't recall putting him in my top 5.

Try rereading what I wrote. I'll even make it easier for you.

mgcolby said:

Guys that I think are better

Terence Newman
Nnamdi Asomugha
Fred Smoot
Nathan Vasher
Deangelo Hall

Some others you could throw into the argument

Ken Lucas
Samare Rolle
Lito Sheppard

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Smoot I still think is better and Rolle was a person that I said you could throw into the argument.

When Asante decides to wrap up he is a very solid tackler but he all to often goes for the highlight hit and misses only to have a safety bail him out. He also takes himself out of position for a tackle because he jumps a route in the flat and allows a 3 yard gain to become a first down. If you don't see that then again I will have to ask how much football you watch?

I also don't base my opinions off of ESPN highlights, I actually watch 6-8 1pm games at a time and every 4pm game every Sunday. Result of a little habit of mine. But thanks for questioning my football knowledge based on your rebuttal, I feel like a mental midget now.

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Wow, you take 8 of the same guys on my list and call it terrible. Brilliant. Hall had a rough season as did that entire secondary because their line sucked. But just as I feel one season doesn't put you in the top 5 one bad doesn't take you out, although I don't recall putting him in my top 5.

When Asante decides to wrap up he is a very solid tackler but he all to often goes for the highlight hit and misses only to have a safety bail him out. He also takes himself out of position for a tackle because he jumps a route in the flat and allows a 3 yard gain to become a first down. If you don't see that then again I will have to ask how much football you watch?

I also don't base my opinions off of ESPN highlights, I actually watch 6-8 1pm games at a time and every 4pm game every Sunday. Result of a little habit of mine. But thanks for questioning my football knowledge based on your rebuttal, I feel like a mental midget now.

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i watch games too and all of Asante's positives outweigh his negatives. He does miss some tackles and gambles but at least the whole second half of the season, he was a terrific gambler

i like Asante..hes got a load of potential but i worry too..mostly from the tattoo get paid. i feel he might shut it down once he gets his money and chills

Remix 6 said:

i watch games too and all of Asante's positives outweigh his negatives. He does miss some tackles and gambles but at least the whole second half of the season, he was a terrific gambler

i like Asante..hes got a load of potential but i worry too..mostly from the tattoo get paid. i feel he might shut it down once he gets his money and chills

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I would rather have him than let him walk but I wouldn't be heart broken to see him go. I'm not saying he sucks, far from it! But people look at his 11 picks and think he's the next coming of Rod Woodson.

He's not worth the money he is asking for, especially when you consider he's only had one good season and it was a contract year. The year before he couldn't catch a cold if it was injected into him. I will give him credit for improving his hands over the course of that year. I agree that he has a ton of potential if he continues to work as hard during future offseasons as he did during the last. He is at a crossroad IMO, he could go either way and the obvious safe play for the Pats is to get him to agree to a long term contract at reasonable money or trade him.

From Samuel's perspective he:

A) Believes in his talent and takes the 7 mil, comes out this season and proves he is capable of repeating or improving his performance from last year.

B) he possibly has doubts and tries to force his way out of New England via a trade or he is simply looking to get the biggest contract this year.

C) Actually wants to stay in New England and agrees to a contract deemed fair to both sides.

Given the history of the negotiations C appears to be highly unlikely.

mgcolby said:

I would rather have him than let him walk but I wouldn't be heart broken to see him go. I'm not saying he sucks, far from it! But people look at his 11 picks and think he's the next coming of Rod Woodson.

He's not worth the money he is asking for, especially when you consider he's only had one good season and it was a contract year. The year before he couldn't catch a cold if it was injected into him. I will give him credit for improving his hands over the course of that year. I agree that he has a ton of potential if he continues to work as hard during future offseasons as he did during the last. He is at a crossroad IMO, he could go either way and the obvious safe play for the Pats is to get him to agree to a long term contract at reasonable money or trade him.

From Samuel's perspective he:

A) Believes in his talent and takes the 7 mil, comes out this season and proves he is capable of repeating or improving his performance from last year.

B) he possibly has doubts and tries to force his way out of New England via a trade or he is simply looking to get the biggest contract this year.

C) Actually wants to stay in New England and agrees to a contract deemed fair to both sides.

Given the history of the negotiations C appears to be highly unlikely.

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dunno why we argued then..i too believe Samuel is asking for too much right now. Certainly could be worth top CB money in future but now? Too early to tell

Remix 6 said:

dunno why we argued then..i too believe Samuel is asking for too much right now. Certainly could be worth top CB money in future but now? Too early to tell

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I guess because you didn't like a couple of the guys in my list or because sometimes I come across as thinking Asante sucks. Not the case at all.

Just trying to bring people back into my delusional reality and not calling a Asante a top 5 CB, top 10 is debatable, IMO and is totally subjective to what aspect of a CB's game carries more weight to that individual.

I agree about possibly being worth a lot in the future, but in know way shape or form should one season get you a top tiered contract. I guess all I'm saying is he needs to be consistent, anyone can have a "fluke" bad year or good year and the fact that his good year came in his contract year doesn't give me warm fuzzies.

mgcolby said:

Wow, you take 8 of the same guys on my list and call it terrible. Brilliant. Hall had a rough season as did that entire secondary because their line sucked. But just as I feel one season doesn't put you in the top 5 one bad doesn't take you out, although I don't recall putting him in my top 5.

Try rereading what I wrote. I'll even make it easier for you.



Smoot I still think is better and Rolle was a person that I said you could throw into the argument.

When Asante decides to wrap up he is a very solid tackler but he all to often goes for the highlight hit and misses only to have a safety bail him out. He also takes himself out of position for a tackle because he jumps a route in the flat and allows a 3 yard gain to become a first down. If you don't see that then again I will have to ask how much football you watch?

I also don't base my opinions off of ESPN highlights, I actually watch 6-8 1pm games at a time and every 4pm game every Sunday. Result of a little habit of mine. But thanks for questioning my football knowledge based on your rebuttal, I feel like a mental midget now.

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The fact you think Fred Smoot is better than Asante Samuel says all I need to know about your credibility.

Remix 6 said:

He does miss some tackles and gambles but at least the whole second half of the season, he was a terrific gambler

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So he should get the big bucks because half of a season he was terrific?? I think he needs to bit more consistent before calling him top notch player. The Pats offer is quite fair and when a player is looking for the big bucks based on a very small sample of great play and is betting against himself, I think it's evident that whoever overpays for him will be quite disappointed. The Patriots will not and in the end, he may will be gone. But I wonder what would happen if he held out and teh team pulled the franchise tag from him how much other teams would pay him?

Poll said:

Isn't Florida closer to La than New England?

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It's about a 20 hour drive to New Orleans, and I know that because I've driven from Miami to Texas several times when I was stationed there... Flight wise, about 2 1/2 hours....

Pats726 said:

So he should get the big bucks because half of a season he was terrific?? I think he needs to bit more consistent before calling him top notch player. The Pats offer is quite fair and when a player is looking for the big bucks based on a very small sample of great play and is betting against himself, I think it's evident that whoever overpays for him will be quite disappointed. The Patriots will not and in the end, he may will be gone. But I wonder what would happen if he held out and teh team pulled the franchise tag from him how much other teams would pay him?

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theres a reason i also said theres no way he should get top money. if can accept our offer..thats fine but he aint worth more till he proves more

He doesnt have to go with the team, I did not see any reports that said that he did not attend at all.

Besides we do not know the relationship between the players.