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1. Getting Marshall for almost nothing.
2. Williams somehow falling to us in the draft.
3. Texans deciding to let Fitz go.
4. Like $50 mil in cap space after the Idzik debacle.

And this didn't hurt either...

“Darrelle is a great player, and if I thought I could have gotten Darrelle for [what the Patriots paid], I probably would’ve taken him,” Johnson said, via the Boston Herald. “And it was our best judgment to do what we did. Darrelle is a great player. I’d love for Darrelle to come back.”

Yea, they have had a lot of opportunities with stellar draft position, with Leonard Williams falling into their lap to go with Wilkerson and Richardson who are both absurdly talented.. I've never seen a defensive line so loaded before in my life, except maybe the Bills.

It also helps that they don't have to pay a real quarterback a big salary. They have always been great on defense but have had piss poor offensive teams.. well this year they have a lot of pieces... Decker and Marshall on the outside is a very solid 1-2 combo, with Chris Ivory in the backfield (backed up by Ridley). Their offensive line is tremendously talented as well and Fitzpatrick seems to be managing the game well enough to have them at 4-1.

As much as that team completely disgusts me, their talent cannot be ignored.. I think they're for real and could very well end up in the playoffs.
 
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I kind of wish big mouth was still coaching these guys, because they'd be 1-4 at this stage and walking into a beatdown.

Now that they have a competent head coach, this is going to a tough team to beat. I'm excited for the challenge the Jets will give us this season. If we can execute on offense against that defense, we can execute against anyone.
 
Oh goodie a Jets fan :p

Actually question for you. About my OP anything you disagree with. I would like to get your perspective on it.

Actually a pretty great breakdown. Not something I'd post because I'd get torn apart for it, but good to see some level-headed posts/debates.

I just rewatched the highlights of the Jet's other 5 games and think this might be the toughest test the Pats have had all year. If they only play a so-so game they will get beat. They need to be up for this one and I think they know it. There are a lot of things the Jets do well you need to worry about and not a ton of weaknesses to exploit. Frankly they should be 5-0 as their loss to the Eagles was incredibly fluky on further review. Every other win has been a comfortable 2 score victory for them or more. I hope and believe the Pats will go into this game with that mind set. With that in mind here are my 10 thoughts.

It should definitely be the toughest test for both teams. Perhaps all season (until week 16). Great way to judge both teams regardless of the outcome.

Yeah, a so-so game from the Pats does most likely result in a Jets win. But even a good outing doesn't guarantee a Pats win. At the same time, it's too early to expect a consistent performance from the Jets. It's what I hope the team is striving for. Consistency. What the Pats are easily the best at.

The Eagles loss is a bit scary. The Eagles have shown they're a decent team but yeah Jets still should have won. We were w/0 Ivory and Decker though. But the scary thing is how Sproles killed us. Dion Lewis could do the same.

Their Offense

#1 Chris Ivory - He is right now one of the top RBs in the NFL. I think the Patriots going too undersized against them might be a mistake. He is not known for catching but he can do it if called upon. He is fast, quick, strong and hard to bring down. A very complete RB

Yup. Even if the Jets are down at halftime, if they've been pounding the rock with the Oline and Ivory a lot, I consider it comfortable as long as they're within two scores. That combination beating on the Dline eventually pays off in the second half.

#2 Big WRs - Marshall is having a heck of a year and Decker is not doing too bad himself. They are strong and break tackles if you let them. When you have them you need to be sure to bring them down cause they are play makers particularly Marshall. To make it even more concerning Fitzpatrick is not afraid to go deep and throw a pick and rely on his D if it goes wrong all to give his WRs a chance to make a big play . It seems Marshall and Decker tend to come down with those deep balls in tight coverage fairly often.

Right, but I will mention that Decker seems to be injury prone. Need a 3rd guy to step up for the inevitable Decker injuries. Perhaps our rookie Devin Smith, if him and Fitz can ever get some chemistry going. Devin has been open, but Fitz just misses him. Marshall (other than that dumb-ass lateral) has been awesome. He's getting a lot of targets, but honestly he deserves even more. Especially in the RZ.

#3 Fitzpatrick - ...

Fitz will go deep, but is usually short. He's gotten better though. Instead of being so short the throw is gonna be picked, it just slows the WR down a bit. Allows for the catch, but misses the huge gain.

His running game has been great to see though. Wasn't doing it early on, but the last few weeks he's gotten more comfortable.

#4 OL - The Jets have one of the best OLs in the NFL. Fitzpatrick has dropped back near 200 times and has been sacked only 2 times and that is not cause he gets it out quick all the time. They hold up well and open big lanes. This will be a huge test for our DL.

This is awesome to see. Easily the most important factor on a team I think. Even more so than a QB. Hope it keeps up. However I have no clue how Fitz will respond once he gets hit.

This offense as a whole has talent everywhere and lets their below average QB try to make plays and does not get conservative unless up.

The conservative play at times is worrisome. They seem to go conservative a bit too early at times.

Their Defense

#5 DL - What can be said here? I won't go into it much but you know and i know this is a stacked unit. What you should also know is they now mix it up more than they use to. It is not just a blitz frenzy. They rush 3 and 4 and do all kinds of stunts. When they do blitz they tend to get there. I expect Tom to get the ball out fast particularly early on.

Perhaps best unit on the team. In the argument for best unit in the NFL and still improving with Sheldon getting back in game-shape and Williams learning. Absolutely love seeing the Dline shutdown RBs. Only problem this week is Brady will just throw it 60 times and kill ya anyway. They'll stop NE's running game, but w/o blitzing the Dline will need strong press coverage vs your WRs this week to have time to get to Brady. He just gets the ball out too fast. Blitzing could certainly help, but also allow for #12 to see it and then attack the hole.

#6 DBs - Revis is not as good as he was 5 years ago but still one of the top 5 CBs. He has lost a bit physically though but he is so smart and savvy and physical. Cromartie is big and likes to hit but can beat beat over the top sometimes if you have enough time. Usually you don't. He is a lot like Browner but a bit more versatile. Their slot CB Buster Skrine i hear is injured with a concussion and might not play. That could be an area to attack in that secondary. Not to mention i am not overly impressed with those safeties. It comes down to a question of time though.

Revis may still be the best CB in the league. But yeah, not quite what he was 5 years ago.

Cro was a little shaky early on, but last week was the best I've seen him play in years.

Skrine is also very good but not sure if he'll play with the concussion.

At CB there's also Milliner, Williams, McDougle, and Walls. All of whom could start on some other teams.

Safties: I'm happy with Pryor and Gilchrist. Gil is covering well and Pryor is starting to live up to his draft position last year. He's making some really good open-field tackles.

#7 LBs - This is a group that to me has more talent on the outside than the inside. ...

Disagree here. I like the ILBs more. At least until Mauldin learns more. Harris, though old, is still a beast. He actually seems to have gained a step this year and as always can blitz and plug a gap almost as good as a Dlineman. Davis is pretty quick for a 3-4 ILB too. I like Pace and Coples, but yeah you're dead on. They're too slow for coverage. Again, this is what I'm worried about this week. Dion could have a field-day with these guys trying to cover him.


Other

#8 Turnovers - The Jets have 15 and the only 2 teams that have more (Denver 17, Eagles 16) have played 1 more game. The Jets are aggressive in going for them and attack the ball. They have 8 FFs on the year with 7 recovered. When I say FF i mean it. They consistently attack the ball. The Pats are one of the best at not giving the ball away with a league low 3 Givaways. This will be strength against strength and will not just be about the Pats not making mistakes cause I said.. Many of these turnovers are forced by great pressure or great CB play or striping a ball out or hard hits. The Pats need to always be aware it is coming.

Right on.

#9 Coaching - These are not your Rex Ryan Jets. Todd Bowles is smart and not going to throw up all over himself. He was a great defensive coach in Arizona and seems to have a very BB approach. He is calm but focused. I don't think we will have the huge advantage in this department we have had in most of our games.

I like Rex and felt he was screwed over by Idzik. But this could be the case of lucking into a better option. We'll see soon enough. To early to tell. Early signs are promising though.

#10 Veteran team - This is a a team that has players that will do some dumb things on occasion but overall they are a smart savvy veteran team that will do their talking on the feild. They will not get too up or down for this game. They know it is important but will not get so crazy they commit 10+ penalties like the Bills or Come out hot and burn out like the Cowboys. I expect smart play from smart players who know how to play the situation.

Right. Better win soon though cause many of the vets are getting up there in age. Mangold and Brick most importantly.

Prediction: Pats get a hard fought home win in a game that would be way too close for comfort if played on the road Patriots 27 Jets 20 and it will be close all 4 quarters.

Surprise, but I have to disagree with ya here. ;) Jets 31 - Pats 20

Thanks for the great breakdown though. Well thought out and a good read.

*Had to remove some of your comments because limit is 10k characters.
 
Just like everyone was hoping/expecting a 50-point beatdown of the Colts, I think the angst over this game going the other way is being overblown. They're better than they've been since maybe 2009-2010, but in Foxboro, even then, we handled them.

Thanks @JetFan79 for stopping by with your thoughts.
 
Good discussion. I've watched most of the Jets games, and while I can point to McCown's silly endzone dive, the Colts' awful season start, Miami's awful meltdown, and Washington's general suckiness, it's hard to deny the talent on this team.

Revis looks like Revis, Cromartie played great last week, and Ivory - d%#*!@t, I soooooo wanted BB to go get that guy. Lynch 2.0.

Fitz is very capable and they can put enough points on the board to win a lot of games with that tremendous D. Tough, tough, game coming Sunday, then later in the year, and very possibly in the playoffs as well.
 
Surprise, but I have to disagree with ya here. ;) Jets 31 - Pats 20

Thanks for the great breakdown though. Well thought out and a good read.

*Had to remove some of your comments because limit is 10k characters.
I was going to give you the like, until I saw that post. But, being a fan of a team, how can you vote otherwise. Good luck and no injuries (to either team).
 
I was going to give you the like, until I saw that post. But, being a fan of a team, how can you vote otherwise. Good luck and no injuries (to either team).

Ha, I had to. I am a Jet fan after all.

But yeah, definitely agree. Going to be a great hard hitting game. Last thing any fan of the game wants is injuries. Though wouldn't mind seeing a little pain dished out. Just nothing serious. It's actually pretty fun watching a well oiled machine like the Pats offense play (when not vs the Jets of course).
 
#4 OL - The Jets have one of the best OLs in the NFL. Fitzpatrick has dropped back near 200 times and has been sacked only 2 times and that is not cause he gets it out quick all the time. They hold up well and open big lanes. This will be a huge test for our DL.

How did this happen? They were so bad for so long, with just Mangold as above average. Something is out of whack with the matrix, and it p*sses me off.

Look, regardless of what happens this week, the Jets just cannot be allowed to become a real threat to Pats' dominance. Their fans don't deserve it, don't know how to enjoy it, and won't be able to support it.
 
Ha, I had to. I am a Jet fan after all.

But yeah, definitely agree. Going to be a great hard hitting game. Last thing any fan of the game wants is injuries. Though wouldn't mind seeing a little pain dished out. Just nothing serious. It's actually pretty fun watching a well oiled machine like the Pats offense play (when not vs the Jets of course).
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WARNING: @JetFan79 seems to be a level-headed, rational person.

I'm not sure how to react.o_O
 
Jets have only given up 2 sacks all year. That offensive line's playing very well. We gotta win the game on the trenches.
 
The Jets game is an enigma in this regard: Having them as a punching bag is good for the playoff run. We go in there, run the score up, game is a laugher by the third quarter. However, it isn't good for football entertainment is it? I'm sure everyone would like for all 6 games of the division each year to be cream puff games but does that make for good football for us fans?
Look I see the value in 6 cream puffs but in all honestly the game holds a lot more excitement this way. The Jets are playing better, have something to prove, and the Patriots need to come in and show they still own the division. And if the Patriots can't beat the jets then (A) It shows what the Patriots need to work on and (B) They will need to correct it, and beat the Jets next time, to show they deserve the HFA position.

IMHO winning these tougher games is a help to winning the SB. Walloping a bunch of lops doesn't....not to mention it isn't good football watching.
 
Jets have only given up 2 sacks all year. That offensive line's playing very well. We gotta win the game on the trenches.

Interesting stat. IMHO the Patriots pass defense is relying heavily on pressures. It will be interesting to see how our pass D reacts if Fitz has too much time. If it happens then, IMHO, this is good. The Patriots must be tested at their weak spots and tuned accordingly. Don't want to find out what needs tuning in January....

Side note: I liked Rexy. His hot air made the lead up to the game fun. But from a team standpoint, except Revis for being such a jerk after he had already left, I like the Jets a little more than in the past. Make no mistake I don't like the Jets but they seem much more 'let's get down to business' than ever before. I can appreciate a coach that comes in to tell players STFU and instead work harder and harder. I think that is a lesson Rexy didn't believe in.
 
Interesting stat. IMHO the Patriots pass defense is relying heavily on pressures. It will be interesting to see how our pass D reacts if Fitz has too much time. If it happens then, IMHO, this is good. The Patriots must be tested at their weak spots and tuned accordingly. Don't want to find out what needs tuning in January....

Side note: I liked Rexy. His hot air made the lead up to the game fun. But from a team standpoint, except Revis for being such a jerk after he had already left, I like the Jets a little more than in the past. Make no mistake I don't like the Jets but they seem much more 'let's get down to business' than ever before. I can appreciate a coach that comes in to tell players STFU and instead work harder and harder. I think that is a lesson Rexy didn't believe in.

I wanna beat revis!!! Don't wanna lose to this guy. I will however be grateful for that one year he was in a pats uniform.
 
Pats are #3 in sacks and top 10 in QB hurries per game. Not bad.
 
I wanna beat revis!!! Don't wanna lose to this guy. I will however be grateful for that one year he was in a pats uniform.

Completely agree. We got undermarket value -- getting him for a one year, low long term investment -- and it helped to win a championship.
I don't begrudge a player for taking the best money and/or the best deal for himself. As much as us fans think "how can you want to leave the Patriots?", each man has to think of his own security and satisfaction. To Revis, the big FU money while driving down Broadway, on the off day, in a stretch to Wolfgang's Steakhouse then onto Scores is happiness in a nutshell (which to be honest isn't half bad :)) But after he got his slice of heaven he showed no grace toward the organization (coaches or players) and by extension us. So I hope he gets burned for a couple of TDs, a tough cut of filet, then finishes it off with some glitter in his eye -- good enough for the jerk.
 
It's called having high draft picks.

Basically this is the reason... they keep getting Richard Seymour level talent every single year because they pick in the top 10.. and have a boat load of super talented players still on rookie deals. They're basically like Denver was last year, but without the elite QB.

They won't be able to keep Richardson and Wilkerson, one of them (or possibly both) will be gone when their contracts are up.. i think they both have already stated that they're looking at Suh's contract as a bench mark for what they should be paid.
 
Pats are #3 in sacks and top 10 in QB hurries per game. Not bad.

Question for you guys. Awesome stat! Especially since you've already had your bye. But is this a result of being up by so much late in games that your dline can pin their ears back and just get after the QB?

Either way, great stat. Just wondering.
 
Question for you guys. Awesome stat! Especially since you've already had your bye. But is this a result of being up by so much late in games that your dline can pin their ears back and just get after the QB?

Either way, great stat. Just wondering.

With Chandler Jones, Easy, Nink, Sheard, Hightower and Collins on the inside delayed blitzes, they do have guys that can get to the QB.

With that said, I have not charted how many of those sacks have come in the 1st 1/2 or 2nd 1/2, down, distance, score, and what D the Pats are in (nickel, dime etc.)

Net-net....they do have guys that can get to the QB consistently this year.
 
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