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PATRIOTS NOW HAVE THE HIGHEST WINNING PERCENTAGE IN MAJOR SPORTS SINCE 1994
With the win over Dallas, the Patriots now have the highest regular-season winning percentage in major American professional sports since 1994 when Robert Kraft purchased the team.


You let the fans down during Deflate Gate, but there's no questioning the success that you've brought to this team. Thank you for your work Mr. Kraft, and I hope you can still restore your credibility with us.

He's an excellent member of the billionaires club, with an astute appreciation for recognizing people who can maximize his investment, despite his failings.
 
Yeah, I conceded he put that in, another example of what he did to ensure only he had a realistic chance at the time. It's possible another ownership would want to pay the league 20 million, if approved to move then also get into an unknown and expensive litigation with Kraft, but realistically Kraft had check and mate.

You know as much as we cringed at his groveling after a league assault that was not his fault [all he could have done to prevent it is sell the team, he had no power to control gooddell] His ownership should be judged in totality.

Was he a good owner? No. I would say he has been the best owner in the history of Boston sports and I'm pretty aware of all of them, unless my memory fails. I used to wave to that racist hero worshipper Tom Yawkey [who dressed like he took anything that fit out of the good will box] before games when I was a vendor at Fenway for 4 years, and he was probably number 2!

If I'm missing some great owners who spent a lot of time, money and risk to ensure they bought the team and also overcame obstacles to build a great stadium to watch it in, here's the place to make that argument.

Oh, also went to great lengths to get the right management team and let the "do their job."

Where he ranks in a list of ****ty owners is of no consequence to me. Because other owners were bad, Kraft can't be criticized? I don't understand this line of reasoning.
 
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Yeah, I conceded he put that in, another example of what he did to ensure only he had a realistic chance at the time.

Actually, I'm near certain he did not "put that in". In fact, I'm almost positive Kraft didn't write that lease at all.

The lease was between the Sullivan-owned Patriots and the Sullivan-owned Stadium Management Corp (or whatever it was called). It was written to be so ironclad because it was never envisioned that the team and the stadium would be controlled by unrelated parties, so the lease putting the team at such a big disadvantage re: moving was irrelevant.

When Kraft bought the stadium out of bankruptcy proceedings he inherited the lease. Now, I'm sure he knew about that provision (he'd have been an idiot if he didn't have lawyers swarming over every word in the lease) but it's not something he put in.
 
Was he a good owner? No. I would say he has been the best owner in the history of Boston sports and I'm pretty aware of all of them, unless my memory fails.

Walter Brown is pounding on your door.
 
Actually, I'm near certain he did not "put that in". In fact, I'm almost positive Kraft didn't write that lease at all.

The lease was between the Sullivan-owned Patriots and the Sullivan-owned Stadium Management Corp (or whatever it was called). It was written to be so ironclad because it was never envisioned that the team and the stadium would be controlled by unrelated parties, so the lease putting the team at such a big disadvantage re: moving was irrelevant.

When Kraft bought the stadium out of bankruptcy proceedings he inherited the lease. Now, I'm sure he knew about that provision (he'd have been an idiot if he didn't have lawyers swarming over every word in the lease) but it's not something he put in.

You're correct, in fact, the ironclad lease was the main reason for purchasing the nearly worthless stadium.
 
Where he ranks in a list of ****ty owners is of no consequence to me. Because other owners were bad, Kraft can't be criticized? I don't understand this line of reasoning.


Of course anyone can criticize something they couldn't possibly do, that's what makes up most of what i ignore own the internet.

There is no context to your criticism.

Jesus was supposed to be the perfect being, yet he let people do much more to him, probably had more power to stop it and doubted God - and that was just in one long weekend.

Perspective is all I ask.
 
Criticizing Kraft for his handling of Crygate and Framegate is whining? I don't think so. If anyone is whining it's the Kraft lapdogs whenever the slightest criticism comes his way.

If Bob Kraft stood by his team instead of Goodell, we wouldn't have to listen to the Brady cheated crap every time we turn on a radio or tv now.

But hey, the value of the team went up 23% this year so everything's cool.

Your saying he should have withdrawn from the NFL and started a new league around the Patriots?

Please tell me specifically what he should have done and don't say force goodell to back down on everything when he alone ruled on an appeal, because that's just childish.
 
If anyone's offended at my post 2 above, I'll gladly delete it.
 
You're correct, in fact, the ironclad lease was the main reason for purchasing the nearly worthless stadium.

Same reason he purchased a piece of crap trotter racetrack. What a jerk, thinking ahead that far.
 
Actually, I'm near certain he did not "put that in". In fact, I'm almost positive Kraft didn't write that lease at all.

The lease was between the Sullivan-owned Patriots and the Sullivan-owned Stadium Management Corp (or whatever it was called). It was written to be so ironclad because it was never envisioned that the team and the stadium would be controlled by unrelated parties, so the lease putting the team at such a big disadvantage re: moving was irrelevant.

When Kraft bought the stadium out of bankruptcy proceedings he inherited the lease. Now, I'm sure he knew about that provision (he'd have been an idiot if he didn't have lawyers swarming over every word in the lease) but it's not something he put in.

Whatever. You're the one that brought it up, I wasn't aware of contract details.
 
Of course anyone can criticize something they couldn't possibly do, that's what makes up most of what i ignore own the internet.

Fallacy, also incredibly childlike and simplistic.

There is no context to your criticism.

Of course there is.

Jesus was supposed to be the perfect being, yet he let people do much more to him, probably had more power to stop it and doubted God - and that was just in one long weekend.

Talk about context. Kraft is just being like Jesus - thanks for clarifying.

Perspective is all I ask.

And I'd ask for something other than rambling, disjointed bizarre nonsense.
 
Fallacy, also incredibly childlike and simplistic.



Of course there is.



Talk about context. Kraft is just being like Jesus - thanks for clarifying.



And I'd ask for something other than rambling, disjointed bizarre nonsense.

There is no context to your criticism. You don't own a team, you don't present owners that are better, and would have handled this better than Kraft, and you discount the ten years he spent planning to be in position to buy, his years as a fan, his maneuvering for the least bit of infrastructure so he could build a world class stadium and his hiring of management, and maintenance of the world class atmosphere, which has allowed us to have the best stretch of football in thre history of the NFL.

Maybe you don't know what context means?

It's not my fault that my ridiculous analogy absolutely works and that's only thanks to the ridiculous standard some fans who, apparently, think our success is the rule not the exception, hold Kraft to for one embarrassibng moment after he had been stabbed in the back and realized he wasn't getting an apology and in fact was getting reamed by the league and associates he had worked with.
 
Your saying he should have withdrawn from the NFL and started a new league around the Patriots?

Please tell me specifically what he should have done and don't say force goodell to back down on everything when he alone ruled on an appeal, because that's just childish.

He could have done anything but roll over and take punishment for something that wasn't a violation of any kind. He didn't have to be Al Davis and fight the NFL in court (he left Brady hanging to deal with that) but he certainly could have denied the false claims being made against Brady. He chose to completely and unequivocally capitulate and stand with Goodell rather than the fans, who he knew would be upset.

He also could have supported his HC in 2007, rather than calling him a schmuck in public for doing something that was not a violation of any rule.

I'm not saying he's a bad owner, but in this case and during Crygate he screwed up. Anyone who denies that or thinks he did it for some tactical reason are fooling themselves.
 
He could have done anything but roll over and take punishment for something that wasn't a violation of any kind. He didn't have to be Al Davis and fight the NFL in court (he left Brady hanging to deal with that) but he certainly could have denied the false claims being made against Brady. He chose to completely and unequivocally capitulate and stand with Goodell rather than the fans, who he knew would be upset.

He also could have supported his HC in 2007, rather than calling him a schmuck in public for doing something that was not a violation of any rule.

I'm not saying he's a bad owner, but in this case and during Crygate he screwed up. Anyone who denies that or thinks he did it for some tactical reason are fooling themselves.

I thought he only screwed up by his embarrassing turnabout from demanding an apology to realizing he got shanked.

We're still the world champions and best team in football this year [IMO].

Not the first powerful man to get f*cked over and look foolish. People here need to get over it, already. We're halfway through the new season.
 
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He could have done anything but roll over and take punishment for something that wasn't a violation of any kind. He didn't have to be Al Davis and fight the NFL in court (he left Brady hanging to deal with that) but he certainly could have denied the false claims being made against Brady.

Maybe got Goodell alone and stuck a butcher knife in him?
 
There is no context to your criticism. You don't own a team, you don't present owners that are better, and would have handled this better than Kraft, and you discount the ten years he spent planning to be in position to buy, his years as a fan, his maneuvering for the least bit of infrastructure so he could build a world class stadium and his hiring of management, and maintenance of the world class atmosphere, which has allowed us to have the best stretch of football in thre history of the NFL.

Maybe you don't know what context means?

It's not my fault that my ridiculous analogy absolutely works and that's only thanks to the ridiculous standard some fans who, apparently, think our success is the rule not the exception, hold Kraft to for one embarrassibng moment after he had been stabbed in the back and realized he wasn't getting an apology and in fact was getting reamed by the league and associates he had worked with.

Your idea of context is laughable.

I wasn't aware I needed to own an NFL team to be able to express an opinion on a messageboard, perhaps you can share with us what NFL team you own.

Making a hypothetical, unprovable alternate reality list of owners who may have managed it better does nothing to further the discussion. The fact that this is what you hang your hat on only illustrates the weakness of that argument. It's unprovable, therefore you can dismiss anyone listed out of hand.

You go on to say that I "discount the ten years he spent planning to be in position to buy, his years as a fan, his maneuvering for the least bit of infrastructure so he could build a world class stadium and his hiring of management, and maintenance of the world class atmosphere, which has allowed us to have the best stretch of football in thre history of the NFL." - Please tell me when I discounted any of that or why that matters when discussing these other issues. I'm not aware of any rule that the good things you do in life give you a never ending clean slate for the rest of eternity, completely free of criticism and judgement. I, like most other functioning adults, am capable of seeing both the good and the bad people do and be able to judge and discuss each circumstance on it's own merits.

I do agree that your analogy was ridiculous.
 
Walter Brown is pounding on your door.

Walter Brown was a great, GREAT man.

But, regarding ONE franchise.....talk about an owner whose team did nothing but lose until a transcendant head coach and prodigy ballplayer fell into his lap!

Bob Kraft did far more with the Patriots before BB/Brady came along than Brown did with the Celtics before Red/Russ came along. And it's not even close.

Now, regarding SEVERAL sports (hockey, basketball, Boston Marathon, etc) - - Walter Brown is almost unmatched.
 
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Maybe got Goodell alone and stuck a butcher knife in him?

That's much too nice of a way for Fraudger to go. I have a much better method I like but I think it scared the posters here the last time I shared it.

All kidding aside RC, doesn't it bother you, maybe a little, the way Kraft gave in?
 
I thought he only screwed up by his embarrassing turnabout from demanding an apology to realizing he got shanked.

We're still the world champions and best tram in football this year [IMO].

Not the first powerful man to get f*cked over and look foolish. People here need to get over it, already. We're halfway through the new season.

The Tuna and Sir Charles were so right.

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