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So in a game where there are 30,000 entrants are you suggesting that 2 or 3 people could own all 6000 teams that finish in the top 20%?o_O

what about 300k?
 
It would depend on the structure of the operation and how many people have actually played it.

KENO is played by thousands of people every 3 or 4 minutes, and has been for decades.
 
I think the Feds will shut it down because it is gambling no matter how they try to paint it as a "skill game". I give them another couple of years for the case to work it's way through the system.
 
They just got shut down in Nevada because they don't have a gambling license. I'm sure other states will follow suit. How dare they try to muscle in on the big boys!
 
KENO is played by thousands of people every 3 or 4 minutes, and has been for decades.
Well, aside from being incredibly vague, that still doesn't provide me with enough relevant information......
 
So in a game where there are 30,000 entrants are you suggesting that 2 or 3 people could own all 6000 teams that finish in the top 20%?o_O

There are a number of $50 or $100 tournament games with fewer than 150 participants, and that's where the big money is to be made. It's not improbable that people have 10+ entries in these games.

The huge small money tournaments may as well be lottery tickets.
 
when you are stuck with year long fantasy teams that you just don't like... injuries, underperforming players, ect, it blows. With these sites, you start fresh every week and can pick a new team. I personally enjoy it.
 
I'm interested to know what Patsfans members think of these sites and activities. Personally, I find them all a kind of pollution of the sport. I resent the attention they're being given. I find the advertising obnoxious and misleading. I don't think they deserve any attention from game commentators, and I dislike the attention they're getting on the NFL channel. I don't think they have anything to do with football, except as a parasitical entity. The constant advertising diminishes my enjoyment of the game. Am I being some kind of prude or prig or are my comments just? What do all of you think?

I used to love fantasy football and was very good at it. But I stopped playing and don't regret it for a moment. Now I find it annoying that it seems that everything is geared towards FF . Personally, I can't believe that the NFL allows its players to play FF. It's a form of gambling for sure.
 
What a waste of money and time by the FBI
 
When you play a game at a casino (e.g., roulette) you know what your chances of winning are. If you want, the casino can give you a card listing the chances of winning in the various games they offer. All of this is regulated by a gaming commission. They come in and look at the roulette tables, the slot machines, et cetera.

When you play fantasy gaming online, you have no idea of what chance you have of winning. Some players seem to have a much greater chance of success, especially those with insider information. You're not just playing against the odds, you're playing against other fans, and a premium is placed on selecting good players not picked by other fans. In this context, knowing what other fans are doing is huge, which is why FanDuel and Draft Kings employees are cleaning up.

I saw one ad for Draft Kings that claimed that over 1.5 billion dollars in winnings will be awarded this season. Does Draft Kings have that kind of money on hand? No way.

The money for the winnings has to come from somewhere. That money will come from the wallets of suckers who place small-time bets and watch their money disappear.

Just enter promotional code: SUCKER. That's SUCKER.
I've seen this a lot..picking under played players might be an advantage in the huge tournaments, but there are 50-50 and double up games to be played..nit to mention head to head. With these, you need to pick players that will score the most points, usage is not a factor.
 
I don't care if its gambling or not, i'm just sick of all the commercials.
 
To each his/her own from a betting side of things but, what I can't stand is, the proliferation of football analysis done online/TV from a fantasy perspective. It irks me, about as much as the "dumbing down" of football news to video (instead of writing) .... as if the readership can't, or is too lazy, to read.
My thoughts are that there is SO much media bandwidth needing to be filled I'm OK with a new angle to cover. I'm already pretty good at blocking out the insipid and tribal journos out there, this is just one more thing for me to block that others presumably enjoy.

Nothing signifies "integrity" like making money off gambling on your own sports league.
It is definitely gambling, but to me it isn't gambling on the NFL, it's gambling on a bunch of numbers generated as a side effect of the playing of NFL games. It's kind of like the difference between an individual bad mortgage vs. CMOs where good mortgages were mixed in with the bad mortgages. The real problem is just like the great financial crisis: you're creating a risk/exposure by having the good mortgages getting dragged down by the bad mortgages and having the entire system crash.

Personally, I can't believe that the NFL allows its players to play FF. It's a form of gambling for sure.
Apparently the NFL has convinced itself that any one player or small groups of players can't swing the stats enough to rig the game. IMHO they are stupidly exposing themselves to the risk that players can find a way to rig games, which could be the NFL's equivalent of the Black Sox Scandal.
 
Apparently the NFL has convinced itself that any one player or small groups of players can't swing the stats enough to rig the game. IMHO they are stupidly exposing themselves to the risk that players can find a way to rig games, which could be the NFL's equivalent of the Black Sox Scandal.

Integrity©
 
It pissed me off that its legal to gamble on these fantasy sites but it's not legal to play online poker for money

Seeing as there are NFL owners (including our own Kraft) with vested interest in these sites, obviously the NFL is throwing their money around to once again get their way

I had done a little research into why this wasn't illegal gambling and it's just be cause some lawyers/lobbyist along with the horse racing industry wanted an exception. There is no moral content or consistency.

I've played FanDuel for two weeks now and it's interesting enough for a five minute distraction. I've lost both times.
 
this is so obviously gambling and I wish all fantasy sports would cease....man i really can't stand fantasy sports. the playground of f#cking losers. the commercials are awful as well....lawyers to draft kings guys - "make sure we put in that guy that won $349 - can't make it seem like everybody wins $100,000"....
 
I've seen this a lot..picking under played players might be an advantage in the huge tournaments, but there are 50-50 and double up games to be played..nit to mention head to head. With these, you need to pick players that will score the most points, usage is not a factor.
Your comments made me think of this from the Bloomberg article linked earlier:
While any player might get lucky on the back of a handful of entries, over time nearly all of the prize money flows to a tiny elite equipped with elaborate statistical modeling and automated tools that can manage hundreds of entries at once and identify the weakest opponents.
Seems that over time this has to become well known and that will chase away the casual fan, no? It'll become nothing but an arms war to develop and harness the best analytical models.

Bottom line is that there are plenty of sharks in the DFS pool.

Ref: You Aren't Good Enough to Win Money Playing Daily Fantasy Football
 
What a waste of money and time by the FBI
I have to respectfully disagree. Given that there are hundreds of millions of dollars flowing through these businesses during the football season, I have no problem with the FBI investigating this industry, and the obscenely cozy (incestuous) relationship between the leagues, the networks and the DFS's.
 
I have to respectfully disagree. Given that there are hundreds of millions of dollars flowing through these businesses during the football season, I have no problem with the FBI investigating this industry, and the obscenely cozy (incestuous) relationship between the leagues, the networks and the DFS's.
How is it incestuous?
 
How is it incestuous?
The leagues (including our very own Bob Kraft) are heavily invested in the DFS's. The networks are heavily invested in the DFS's. The leagues and networks are partners. The DFS's are spending tons of money on network advertising during ball games.

If all that ain't an example of an incestuous business relationship, euphemistically speaking of course, then I don't know what is.
 
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