Two Old Drunks Scoffing At TB12's Nutritional Regimen

Deus Irae · Oct 12, 2015

farn said:
Many people, including myself, don't think the margins are anywhere near the value of these habits. For a world class athlete such as Brady, I understand the reasoning.

And many people do think the margins are worth it. I don't see how this point of yours is particularly relevant here.

farn said:
But Brady's association with Guerrero is the potentially dangerous part of this story - not avocado ice cream or anti-Cola sentiments. This guru would scare me.

But you're largely ignorant of the guy, as are most of us.

Palm Beach Pats Fan · Oct 12, 2015

Cutting out processed foods and eating plenty of nutrient-dense vegetables in preference to high sugar & high carb food is very good for you.

Labeling it as some sort of blood pH effect is what is bunk. If your body detects blood pH below 7.35, it regulates it upward before you die. If your body senses blood pH above 7.45, it regulates it downward before you die.

The whole idea that acid = bad comes from the Warburg effect, in the 1920's, when a doctor noted that tumors have a lower-than-normal pH microenvironment. Some took this (and still take it) as meaning that "acidity causes cancer".

In reality, tumors are humongous energy hogs and use an alternative energy pathway, called aerobic glycolysis, to make extra ATP. What waste product is generated in glycolysis? Lactic acid. Tumors pump out this lactic acid by active transport, acidifying their exterior. Thus extracellular acidification is a consequence, not a cause, of cancer.

Why do I know this? My main research project is looking for compounds that block the lactic acid export pumps of tumor cells. Block them & the tumor either dies or stops growing. Not many other cell types use these same lactic acid export pumps, so the general idea has some promise.

Deus Irae · Oct 12, 2015

Another huge issue in the nutritional health area, as in many fields, it the inability of the researchers to acknowledge that they are pushing theories as opposed to facts.

And, along those lines, another problem is an FDA that is at once both far too powerful and invasive, and not powerful and proactive enough.

farn · Oct 12, 2015

Deus Irae said:
Most of us are/were largely ignorant of a multitude of people : Gacy, Saddam, Ossama, Steve Garvey... doesn't mean associations with certain individuals don't raise concerns.

But you're largely ignorant of the guy, as are most of us.

patriot lifer · Oct 12, 2015

Deus Irae said:
Another huge issue in the nutritional health area, as in many fields, it the inability of the researchers to acknowledge that they are pushing theories as opposed to facts.

And, along those lines, another problem is an FDA that is at once both far too powerful and invasive, and not powerful and proactive enough.

Always the same two problems with studies:

Cause versus correlation (almost always they prove correlation--not cause)
Too many (confounding) variables

For the regular Joes amongst us, normal, unprocessed food trumps manufactured, artificial food. This type of talk shouldn't be outlandish anymore.

Deus Irae · Oct 12, 2015

farn said:
Most of us are/were largely ignorant of a multitude of people : Gacy, Saddam, Ossama, Steve Garvey... doesn't mean associations with certain individuals don't raise concerns.

You do realize that's a ridiculous post, right? People were ignorant of Richard Jewel and the frat house at UVA, too. We can all play the "but this guy" card. It's meaningless here.

Deus Irae · Oct 12, 2015

patriot lifer said:
Always the same two problems with studies:

Cause versus correlation (almost always they prove correlation--not cause)

Too many (confounding) variables

For the regular Joes amongst us, normal, unprocessed food trumps manufactured, artificial food. This type of talk shouldn't be outlandish anymore.

I agree with those as problems, but you left out both 'agenda' and 'confirmation bias' as huge problems with studies.

BobDigital · Oct 12, 2015

Here is my opinion.

I think some of the things Guerrero does and supports don't help at all. However some of it is fairly reasonable and I can see the possible benefit. Generally he is an outside the box guy who brings some good ideas and some bad ideas. If the bad ideas are not directly counter productive (things to prevent concussions or whatever that don't work but don't make them more likely) and things about eating habits and training regimen that actually do help overall it is a gain.

However he is not a doctor and so should not be taken serious in areas in those specific fields cause he does not have the schooling. I do believe the regiment overall has been helpful to Brady though and not just through placebo effect. I think focusing on flexibility over strength and quick twitch is a good idea.

farn · Oct 12, 2015

Deus Irae said:
You do realize that's a ridiculous post, right? People were ignorant of Richard Jewel and the frat house at UVA, too. We can all play the "but this guy" card. It's meaningless here.

If we believe the article from Friday - and there is no reason to think it is fabricated - Guerrero made claims his products could cure such things as AIDS, cancer, and concussions (or at least prevent them). The article also mentions Guerrero was told to stop making wild claims. Did he profit ? Did he make millions of dollars using a scam ? These things are concerning - especially when you see that Brady's quotes seem to say he believes in the products. Maybe these are all lies. If so, then everything is overblown. If Brady is in fact endorsing, through quotes and likeness, a product that makes false claims, that would be reason to be concerned.

Joker · Oct 12, 2015

Life eats everything...

IcyPatriot · Oct 12, 2015

This is a lengthy piece on Brady ... parts of which describing the relationship and methods with Guerrero.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/01/magazine/tom-brady-cannot-stop.html

Deus Irae · Oct 12, 2015

farn said:
If we believe the article from Friday - and there is no reason to think it is fabricated - Guerrero made claims his products could cure such things as AIDS, cancer, and concussions (or at least prevent them). The article also mentions Guerrero was told to stop making wild claims. Did he profit ? Did he make millions of dollars using a scam ? These things are concerning - especially when you see that Brady's quotes seem to say he believes in the products. Maybe these are all lies. If so, then everything is overblown. If Brady is in fact endorsing, through quotes and likeness, a product that makes false claims, that would be reason to be concerned.

I have no problem with you questioning Guerrero. I have a problem with the use of people like Gacy and Saddam as your category examples, particularly when you're just talking about something where there's nothing remotely approaching a 1:1 situational match, and so many absolutely innocent counter examples.

But, again, with regards to Guerrero, we're all ignorant of the totality of actual facts.

PittPatriot · Oct 12, 2015

YOUGOTMOSSED said:
As the AMA will tell you, there are 3 ways to deal with cancer- (1) cut it out (surgery); (2) burn it out (radiation); and/or (3) poison it out (chemo).

Any suggestion of prevention through nutrition or any treatment that they can't bill for will not be tolerated.

While I agree with the gist of your comment, I disagree with the assumption this all comes down to billing. The AMA or the American Cancer Society or any other medical group would never discredit the belief that living and eating more healthily, may decrease certain disease risks...but treating those diseases simply through "alternate ways" that are unproven, untested, or lack scientific basis is not and should not be something that any organization (FDA) allows.

BTW- nobody is giving anything for free here. Whether it is Alex Guerrero, your medical doctor, or your $400 vitamin. Someone is either "selling" medical care, snake oil, a gym membership, yoga classes or just a healthier life...but it is all at a cost and done as a business.

Deus Irae · Oct 12, 2015

PittPatriot said:
but treating those diseases simply through "alternate ways" that are unproven, untested, or lack scientific basis is not and should not be something that any organization (FDA) allows.

The problem is that such a stance is a ridiculous position for the AMA/ACS, or anyone, to take.

PatsWickedPissah · Oct 12, 2015

primetime said:
It's not even that the government can't decide, it's that the proper nutrition we've been told about for decades are lies bought by monied interests. I'm far from someone who would embrace snake oil, but the entire food pyramid is a lie.

As for nutritional studies, they're dealing with human subjects and ery difficult to replicate. Many don't control for environmental or socioeconomic factors, which play a huge role in health outcomes. It's just very hard to tell what's true and what's not.

Spot on.
Sadly there are several fields of science where monied interests, govt grant funding, etc. drive the results. In other words, science is an activity done by human beings, with all that implies.

And complex phenomenon where all the variables affecting the results are not well understood or are improperly discounted or over emphasized lead to non real world results.

Read science news and you'll find that there are many "scandals" where folks are finding out that many papers, some well cited, cannot be reproduced. Duh! This flies against the essence of science. Particularly in medical, sociological, biological and of course nutritional fields. Feynman was right.

Bottom line: it's not always as straightforward as PV=nrT.

The Brandon Five · Oct 12, 2015

Deus Irae said:
Just a basic response to keep the conversation going:

http://www.webmd.com/diet/a-z/alkaline-diets

That isn't what was being claimed.

Bobsyouruncle · Oct 12, 2015

PittPatriot said:
While I agree with the gist of your comment, I disagree with the assumption this all comes down to billing. The AMA or the American Cancer Society or any other medical group would never discredit the belief that living and eating more healthily, may decrease certain disease risks...but treating those diseases simply through "alternate ways" that are unproven, untested, or lack scientific basis is not and should not be something that any organization (FDA) allows.

Why? Is it my life or the FDA's? The FDA is in charge of my life? If they want to recommend things that's fine. But prohibiting like we're children. How many people die waiting for drugs through the FDA's 10 year process? And they still get it wrong. The only person who can properly assess the risk/reward value of a drug or treatment are patients.

Deus Irae · Oct 12, 2015

The Brandon Five said:
That isn't what was being claimed.

As I said, it was just a basic response to keep the conversation going. I simply pointed out some potential positives with the Alkaline diet as an avenue for further discussion.

Bobsyouruncle · Oct 12, 2015

Plenty of people I know will eat 10 cookies in a sitting or a half gallon of ice cream. Drink nothing but soda all day. Even if we had all the answers it won't change people. Many don't care.

anditsgood · Oct 12, 2015

shmessy said:
Sure, there are VALID questions about this Guerrero character, but much of the nutritional info Brady was talking about this morning is basic truth.

I think the irony for the two old guys who have spent significant time on the IR list from their radio gigs the past few years went over their flat little heads.

http://media.weei.com/a/109974676/tom-brady-defends-alex-guerrero-10-12-15.htm

I listened to the interview till the question came up, These guys have no clue on how to interview a guest,
but unfortunately, the dorks at the other station isnt any better, they are the reason why i dont listen to sports talk on the ride in any more

Two Old Drunks Scoffing At TB12's Nutritional Regimen

PatsFans.com Retired Jersey Club

Pro Bowl Player

PatsFans.com Retired Jersey Club

Pro Bowl Player

In the Starting Line-Up

PatsFans.com Retired Jersey Club

PatsFans.com Retired Jersey Club

Pro Bowl Player

Pro Bowl Player

PatsFans.com Supporter

Wall of Fame

PatsFans.com Retired Jersey Club

PatsFans.com Supporter

PatsFans.com Retired Jersey Club

PatsFans.com Supporter

PatsFans.com Supporter

Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

PatsFans.com Retired Jersey Club

Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

Similar threads