PFF Gives Brady -1.1 Rating for Cowboys Game. EDIT: Since been changed to +.7

https://www.profootballfocus.com/bl...rades-inept-cowboys-sputter-against-patriots/


I'm not saying last night was a hallmark game for Tom Brady, but I dont understand how anyone can give him a negative grade.

Its so stupid, I instantly assume that I'm missing something. Do they put way too much emphasis on taking sacks?

COMP%
74.1

YDS
275

TD
3 (1 rushing)

INT
0

Rating:
130.9

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nonono
I still do not understand why people still make comments like this on this site. You either have no idea what PFF does or youre trolling. Dont use generic stats as your only argument.

Answer: I have no idea what PFF does then.

i dont understand how they come up with their numbers.
rodgers threw 5 td's against the 49ers and got a negative grade. same with espn's " qbr " which i dont understand.

their ratings are garbage... rodgers got a negative score for throwing 4 tds a week or two ago

I'll keep saying this until I drill it into people's heads of how much of a joke PFF is.


They give more credit to a QB throwing 60 yards into triple coverage and getting picked off than they do a QB throwing 10 yards and the WR taking it 50 more yards for a TD.

PFF thinks Collins is playing at a "replaceable" level this season.

We need a forum ban on them.

Danger Zone said:

https://www.profootballfocus.com/bl...rades-inept-cowboys-sputter-against-patriots/


I'm not saying last night was a hallmark game for Tom Brady, but I dont understand how anyone can give him a negative grade.

Its so stupid, I instantly assume that I'm missing something. Do they put way too much emphasis on taking sacks?

COMP%
74.1

YDS
275

TD
3 (1 rushing)

INT
0

Rating:
130.9

Received this comment on PFF after posting something similar.

nonono
I still do not understand why people still make comments like this on this site. You either have no idea what PFF does or youre trolling. Dont use generic stats as your only argument.

Answer: I have no idea what PFF does then.

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I'm not sure where you see that Brady was graded negatively. Unless I'm reading this incorrectly, they graded him positively.


"It’s been widely assumed that Tom Brady (+0.7) makes Julian Edelman (+2.4 receiving) look good, but Sunday it was the other way around."


https://www.profootballfocus.com/bl...rades-inept-cowboys-sputter-against-patriots/

@dikembe might say PFF does not respect the brain.

RI Patriots fan said:

I'm not sure where you see that Brady was graded negatively. Unless I'm reading this incorrectly, they graded him positively.


"It’s been widely assumed that Tom Brady (+0.7) makes Julian Edelman (+2.4 receiving) look good, but Sunday it was the other way around."


https://www.profootballfocus.com/bl...rades-inept-cowboys-sputter-against-patriots/

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Then thats been edited in the minutes since I posted this.

Article originally had him at -1.1

Just another piece of evidence that shows how sabermetric style analysis falls on its face when you are looking at the sport of football.

This kind of analysis works in baseball because unlike football, baseball is really a series of 1v1 match ups disguised as a team sport. Football really is a team sport in every aspect of the game.

Trying to look at the sport of football through the same analytical glasses is a futile exercise.

Danger Zone said:

Then thats been edited in the minutes since I posted this.

Article originally had him at -1.1

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So I guess we can change the thread title now to PFF grades Brady positively.

sb1 said:

Just another piece of evidence that shows how sabermetric style analysis falls on its face when you are looking at the sport of football.

This kind of analysis works in baseball because unlike football, baseball is really a series of 1v1 match ups disguised as a team sport. Football really is a team sport in every aspect of the game.

Trying to look at the sport of football through the same analytical glasses is a futile exercise.

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As someone who's actually tried his hand at creating a metric or two, I can say that the issue is not with football per se, it's with the design of the metric.

When a metric gives a result that is at odds with "common sense," the question is—where is the problem? Is it that the metric is actually revealing a "hidden truth," or is it that the metric is badly designed?

In the case of PFF, I would argue it's at least partly poor design; as @JMC00 notes, it rewards risky passes by QBs over smart passes.

PFF is trolling us.

No offense, but I give the OP a negative grade for actually reading that pathetic site and starting a thread about it.

RI Patriots fan said:

I'm not sure where you see that Brady was graded negatively. Unless I'm reading this incorrectly, they graded him positively.


"It’s been widely assumed that Tom Brady (+0.7) makes Julian Edelman (+2.4 receiving) look good, but Sunday it was the other way around."


https://www.profootballfocus.com/bl...rades-inept-cowboys-sputter-against-patriots/

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It has been edited along with a bunch of other numbers there. They claim they put out preliminary grades and then update when they get the all-22, but there's no way they're getting the all-22 already unless each team is specifically sending it to them as soon as it's available. I'm not buying it.

Sciz said:

It has been edited along with a bunch of other numbers there. They claim they put out preliminary grades and then update when they get the all-22, but there's no way they're getting the all-22 already unless each team is specifically sending it to them as soon as it's available. I'm not buying it.

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That's fine.....but the grade now is a positive and not a negative.

Brady's passer rating for the Dallas game was 130.9 but his QBR was 24.1? In what universe does that make any sense? Only Foles had a "worse" game this week than Brady according to QBR.. not a good look QBR.. not a good look..

Also, ESPN Total QBR rates him pretty low. 2nd worst QB performance this week.



Seriously, was he really worse than Weeden (26/39, 188 yds, 0-1 TD-INT), Alex Smith (16/30, 181 yds, 0-1 TD-INT) or Matthew Stafford (22/30, 188 yds, 1-3 TD-INT)?

Makes no sense IMO.

RI Patriots fan said:

So I guess we can change the thread title now to PFF grades Brady positively.

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I'm not one of those posters that has to aggressively defend Tom Brady (I usually save that for Belichick).

But yes, I truly wanted to know how anyone could give Brady a -1.1 grade for last nights performance.

I would say the same thing about ESPN if not even more emphatically. How in hell was Tom Brady the second to worst quarterback Sunday night???

QBR apparently tries to quantify whether an incomplete pass was the fault of the WR or QB. That's something they couldn't know. It requires subjective decisions based on the grader. That's why it's not available immediately like passer rating.

It's an opinion disguised as a statistic, and quantified to give the veneer of an objective mathematical system.

I the PFF grades are the same.

At least with passer rating you know the flaws, you know the formula.

BTW, his QBPar number in the ESPN QBR compares him to replacement-level QB, a backup who can't really play well the position (say a Geno Smith or a Jimmy Clausen).

He had a -0.2 QBPar. In other words, Geno would have been a better QB vs Cowboys than Brady yesterday.