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I don't see any attempt to manipulate race in this conversation. There's plenty of grounds to criticize Greg Hardy based on his criminal history alone. But as the poster points out, we should be careful not to look at Greg Hardy as somehow representative of all young black men, or vilify the hip hop culture he participates in.

I'm not accusing you personally of doing that by any means....but I feel it's important to set the record straight.
We should be careful not to assume any one person is a representative of any culture. What does that have to do with pointing out a preemptive race card?

Also, for the record, bashing Hip Hop culture is no different the the old fogies bashing the hippies, headbangers etc...
 
I can see this thread turning into a racist ****storm based on this board's history of not wanting to understand black millenial culture (no offense to those not contributing to this).

That being said, hip hop is one of the most important things in my life, and Greg Hardy is terrible at it. The beat and other rapper suck too. You can rap about money, drugs, and guns and still be imaginative, but that is not the case here. He's also a terrible person, but we already knew that.

Thanks for posting this. It is the same clarifying and simplifying education I get when my kids come to visit.

(Edit: for those of you who are apparently interpreting this as sarcastic, please see my post below. This post is entirely sincere.)
 
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The board could use a clearer, more generally accepted distinction between the "brand" of the NFL and the "integrity of the game." The first is about the cultural feel, the second is about maintaining fairness. They are separate and distinct.
 
We should be careful not to assume any one person is a representative of any culture. What does that have to do with pointing out a preemptive race card?

Also, for the record, bashing Hip Hop culture is no different the the old fogies bashing the hippies, headbangers etc...

While I think the term "race card" is very lazy, I think you've summed up both the good and bad with what I did in my original post. Preemptive anything is obnoxious, but I've seen too much ignorant ******** here to not make such predictions. I acknowledge that there may have been less discussion of race had I not brought it up, but I also have my doubts about that.
 
Initially, it was somewhat enjoyable poking fun at some of his comments this week. But at the end of the day, he's just a guy on a team that we are about to steam roll this week. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
I can see this thread turning into a racist ****storm based on this board's history of not wanting to understand black millenial culture (no offense to those not contributing to this).

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You maybe should have put a little more care into the writing of your post then.

If I posted on a Jets forum and added a "Before you say anything about Deflategate..." preface, would it matter if I elaborated? People have made up their minds one way or another. I was just predicting something that, as it has turned out, has not really come true in this thread. In fact, my prediction has indeed detracted from the discussion and I do apologize to everyone. I'll have better faith next time and won't jump the gun until someone actually says something stupid.
 
Here's a better video. Must piss Hardy off to no end to see stuff like this. :)

 
If I was black, I don't know if I'd be thrilled about having money, drugs and guns being my defining characteristics.

I agree but he was describing a culture within the black community. Similar to "you might be a redneck if..." within the white community. IMO
 
While I think the term "race card" is very lazy, I think you've summed up both the good and bad with what I did in my original post. Preemptive anything is obnoxious, but I've seen too much ignorant ******** here to not make such predictions. I acknowledge that there may have been less discussion of race had I not brought it up, but I also have my doubts about that.

I've only been a part of this forum for a short time but I have not seen any racism.

BTW, Ignorance is not racism. IMO
 
Initially, it was somewhat enjoyable poking fun at some of his comments this week. But at the end of the day, he's just a guy on a team that we are about to steam roll this week. Nothing more, nothing less.

No he's not. Hardy is a monster who should not be playing in the NFL. Just a guy? Marcus Cannon is just a guy who overcame cancer to be on an NFL roster. Scott Chandler is just a guy.

Greg Hardy is an unrepentant convicted abuser of women who is threatening Tom Brady and talking smack about Brady's wife. This "just a guy" has no business being on an NFL roster. Goodell talks about the "integrity of the game," but he completely botched this suspension which was overturned on appeal as he did with Ray Rice.

His conviction was dismissed because the victim could not be found in February to testify at the appeal of the conviction. http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...es-against-panthers-hardy-dismissed/23116685/

This is a messy affair.

A senior reporter in Dallas blasted the Cowboys for signing Hardy:



Read this account of the trial from the Charlotte Observer:

"The judge’s verdict followed an exhaustive 10-hour trial, unusual in domestic-violence court, where women and men are forced to sit on separate sides of the aisle and cases can be settled in minutes.

The case against Hardy, however, started in late morning and ended at 9 p.m. It drew a dozen witnesses and featured hour after hour of testimony into the darker side of youth, beauty and celebrity, with drugs, sex and violence playing key roles in the narrative.

Tin pushed the trial far into the night, she said, because domestic-violence court could not afford a two-day delay in its case backlog. So while witnesses in the Hardy case talked about $1,000 bottles of champagne, court-appointed attorneys wandered through the courtroom, calling out the names of clients they had never met.

In announcing her decision, Tin noted that Hardy and Nicole Holder told wildly differentversions from the witness stand of what happened in the football player’s luxury uptown apartment on May 13. But the judge said the evidence persuaded her beyond reasonable doubt that Hardy beat Holder, threw her around his apartment, then tried to hide his actions with a fabricated 911 call.

Assistant District Attorney Jamie Adams told Tin in her closing arguments that Holder told the truth when she described how Hardy erupted while the two were in his bedroom after a long night of drinking at some of the city’s most popular and exclusive nightspots.

Hardy, Holder said, flung her from the bed, threw her into a bathtub, then tossed her on a futon covered with rifles. Holder said Hardy ripped a necklace he had given her off her neck, threw it into a toilet and slammed the lid on her arm when she tried to fish it out.

The 6-foot-4, 265-pound Hardy dragged her by the hair room to room, she said, before putting his hands around her throat.

“He looked me in my eyes and he told me he was going to kill me,” said Holder, 24, who said she used to live with Hardy.

“I was so scared I wanted to die. When he loosened his grip slightly, I said, ‘Just do it. Kill me.’ ”

Later, as Holder said she was held by her former boyfriend’s personal assistant, she said Hardy made the 911 call, showed her the phone, and said, “Run, little girl. You’re going to jail.”

Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/crime/article9140591.html#storylink=cpy

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/crime/article9140591.html
 
I agree but he was describing a culture within the black community. Similar to "you might be a redneck if..." within the white community. IMO

I have a problem with him basically saying money, guns and drugs are a part of young black culture, therefore you cannot criticize any of their actions regarding such, and if you do, you are a racist.
 
I have a problem with him basically saying money, guns and drugs are a part of young black culture, therefore you cannot criticize any of their actions regarding such, and if you do, you are a racist.


I agree with that. Criticizing it is not being racist at all. Sorry that I missed your point originally.
 
Is this video suppose to confirm that Hardy beat up that chick? Wow, this is desperate.

No he's not. Hardy is a monster who should not be playing in the NFL. Just a guy? Marcus Cannon is just a guy who overcame cancer to be on an NFL roster. Scott Chandler is just a guy.

Greg Hardy is an unrepentant convicted abuser of women who is threatening Tom Brady and talking smack about Brady's wife. This "just a guy" has no business being on an NFL roster. Goodell talks about the "integrity of the game," but he completely botched this suspension which was overturned on appeal as he did with Ray Rice.

His conviction was dismissed because the victim could not be found in February to testify at the appeal of the conviction. http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...es-against-panthers-hardy-dismissed/23116685/

This is a messy affair.

A senior reporter in Dallas blasted the Cowboys for signing Hardy:



Read this account of the trial from the Charlotte Observer:

"The judge’s verdict followed an exhaustive 10-hour trial, unusual in domestic-violence court, where women and men are forced to sit on separate sides of the aisle and cases can be settled in minutes.

The case against Hardy, however, started in late morning and ended at 9 p.m. It drew a dozen witnesses and featured hour after hour of testimony into the darker side of youth, beauty and celebrity, with drugs, sex and violence playing key roles in the narrative.

Tin pushed the trial far into the night, she said, because domestic-violence court could not afford a two-day delay in its case backlog. So while witnesses in the Hardy case talked about $1,000 bottles of champagne, court-appointed attorneys wandered through the courtroom, calling out the names of clients they had never met.

In announcing her decision, Tin noted that Hardy and Nicole Holder told wildly differentversions from the witness stand of what happened in the football player’s luxury uptown apartment on May 13. But the judge said the evidence persuaded her beyond reasonable doubt that Hardy beat Holder, threw her around his apartment, then tried to hide his actions with a fabricated 911 call.

Assistant District Attorney Jamie Adams told Tin in her closing arguments that Holder told the truth when she described how Hardy erupted while the two were in his bedroom after a long night of drinking at some of the city’s most popular and exclusive nightspots.

Hardy, Holder said, flung her from the bed, threw her into a bathtub, then tossed her on a futon covered with rifles. Holder said Hardy ripped a necklace he had given her off her neck, threw it into a toilet and slammed the lid on her arm when she tried to fish it out.

The 6-foot-4, 265-pound Hardy dragged her by the hair room to room, she said, before putting his hands around her throat.

“He looked me in my eyes and he told me he was going to kill me,” said Holder, 24, who said she used to live with Hardy.

“I was so scared I wanted to die. When he loosened his grip slightly, I said, ‘Just do it. Kill me.’ ”

Later, as Holder said she was held by her former boyfriend’s personal assistant, she said Hardy made the 911 call, showed her the phone, and said, “Run, little girl. You’re going to jail.”

Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/crime/article9140591.html#storylink=cpy

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/crime/article9140591.html


“I was so scared I wanted to die. When he loosened his grip slightly, I said, ‘Just do it. Kill me.’ ”

Touching, because we haven't heard this same exact quote from other victims of domestic abuse, Law and Order: SVU and Lifetime movies. She should write 50 Shades of Grey, the prequel.

He slammed a toilet lid on her arm, while she was trying to get a necklace, he probably paid for, out of the toilet. That's funny, I guess she got a broken arm from that. I'm still trying to figure this out. So he threw her on a coach of guns and then ripped a necklace off her throat. Then she just jumped off the guns and ran to the toilet for the necklace. Story sounds funnier than a boiler room brawl on WWE. Like I said, BS. He was convicted because the judge was a woman with a bias against him.
 
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