Suh kicks Fitzpatrick in the head...

Brady6 said:

How times do helmets get kicked off players buy players in pursuit?

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The helmet has nothing to do with the physics of his run.
His left foot whips over because he was prepared to jump and then he could not so the foot actually lands directly in front of his plant foot in the same exact vector of motion of his body. A deliberate attempt to kick the helmet off would require an alteration of the science of the run and the evidence is simply not there.

I cannot stand Suh as much as anyone ... but not going to blame him with lack of evidence.

Brady6 said:

So you can't point to another example of this type of situation but you are sure a guy who kicked multiple players in his past did not do it intentionally. That's pretty funny. Well when you can show me another time a players helmet was taken off by a defenders foot I will consider your opinion but right now you just sound like you believe exactly what Suh intended for you to believe.

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Wow! Logic doesn't exist in your world does it?

manxman2601 said:

You keep saying this but it has absolutely nothing to do with the trajectory of Suh's leg or what was in Suh's mind. I'd suggest it has more to do with chance or the quality of Fitzpatrick's helmet strap.

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I'd suggest it has more to do with the force being greater than a inenverted foot. You are giving the benefit of the doubt to a repeat offender whose foot has intentionally went into players heads before.

This is what Suh has learned to do. He always seems to be looking the other way as he steps on someone's hammy getting off the pile or kicks them in the head as he goes to the ground. "Oh, excuse me Mr. Quarterback, I didn't see you there when I whipped my legs around in that fashion."

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Brady6 said:

So you can't point to another example of this type of situation but you are sure a guy who kicked multiple players in his past did not do it intentionally. That's pretty funny. Well when you can show me another time a players helmet was taken off by a defenders foot I will consider your opinion but right now you just sound like you believe exactly what Suh intended for you to believe.

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Those kicks were while he stood still - - not on the run.

Plenty of players' helmets come off in games due to contact. Happens all the time. Suh's foot DID hit Fitzpatrick's helmet.

You claim it was on purpose.

For that to be on purpose for a 300+ man running half the field to the sideline and hurdling his own teammate would mean that Ndamokung Suh has the agility and balnce of a Mikhail Baryshnikov.

Brady6 said:

I'd suggest it has more to do with the force being greater than a inenverted foot. You are giving the benefit of the doubt to a repeat offender whose foot has intentionally went into players heads before.

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I don't know how they do law in the US, but where I come from, every legal case is judged on its own merits - what someone has done before has no bearing on deciding a person's guilt.

manxman2601 said:

Wow! Logic doesn't exist in your world does it?

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What logic is that?

- Player has history of kicking other players
- I cannot remember another game where QBs helmet was kicked off accidently by a player pursing him.

Where is this logic you speak of? Like Suh couldn't have made it look that way intentionally? Kids learn to bump into people and make it look like it was an accident in kindergarten but you don't think he could have done it here.

manxman2601 said:

I don't know how they do law in the US, but where I come from, every legal case is judged on its own merits - what someone has done before has no bearing on deciding a person's guilt.

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So they can't mention prior convictions during a new trial?

Brady6 said:

What logic is that?

- Player has history of kicking other players
- I cannot remember another game where QBs helmet was kicked off accidently by a player pursing him.

Where is this logic you speak of? Like Suh couldn't have made it look that way intentionally? Kids learn to bump into people and make it look like it was an accident in kindergarten but you don't think he could have done it here.

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You're wrong, it's as simple as that. I can't debate your prejudices - I'm done.

Brady6 said:

So they can't mention prior convictions during a new trial?

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Only during the sentencing phase. Not when determining guilt.

Brady6 said:

What logic is that?

- Player has history of kicking other players
- I cannot remember another game where QBs helmet was kicked off accidently by a player pursing him.

Where is this logic you speak of? Like Suh couldn't have made it look that way intentionally? Kids learn to bump into people and make it look like it was an accident in kindergarten but you don't think he could have done it here.

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You're making up "history" to suit your narrative.

Those other instances where when the plays were at a standstill.

This wasn't.

No 300+ pound man can run that distance, hurdle his own play and perfectly kick off someone's helmet. This is not a comic book. You are pulling muscles trying too hard.

shmessy said:

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Those kicks were while he stood still - - not on the run.

Plenty of players' helmets come off in games due to contact. Happens all the time. Suh's foot DID hit Fitzpatrick's helmet.

You claim it was on purpose.

For that to be on purpose for a 300+ man running half the field to the sideline and hurdling his own teammate would mean that Ndamokung Suh has the agility and balnce of a Mikhail Baryshnikov.

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I don't know if it was intentional or not but I certainly think is was possible that he saw N opportunity to get a shot in and took it. I am not giving Suh the benefit of the doubt he doesn't deserve it. Suh in my mind is guilty until proven innocent in these situations no matter how questionable it may appear to be.

Brady6 said:

So they can't mention prior convictions during a new trial?

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You are basically no different than the Patriots Haterz who condemned them this year because of the prior Cameragate.

Your point is just as silly here.

manxman2601 said:

Only during the sentencing phase. Not when determining guilt.

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It's different here if a person has a history of similar crimes they'll be used against him.

Brady6 said:

I don't know if it was intentional or not but I certainly think is was possible that the Patriots saw N opportunity to get a shot in and took it. I am not giving them the benefit of the doubt they doesn't deserve it. The Patriots in my mind are guilty until proven innocent in these situations no matter how questionable it may appear to be.

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Brady6 said:

It's different here if a person has a history of similar crimes they'll be used against him.

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Do you have ANY idea who you sound like???????

Do you work for ESPN or the Indianapolis Star?

You literally are taking their exact words, letter by letter.

shmessy said:

You are basically no different than the Patriots Haterz who condemned them this year because of the prior Cameragate.

Your point is just as silly here.

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No because the spygate was a BS situation that shouldn't have happen. Also the Patriots provide evidence beyond opinion of a video to prove innocence. Very different and the comparison is absurd to even bring up, strikes me as more of a attention grabber than anything else.

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Straying from one topic to another when you can't offer anything of merit is weak, if you want to be a **** just stop quoting my posts because trying to disparage me cause you disagree me is unnecessary and frankly disappointing.

I don't care if you disagree with me but what you are doing here isn't cool at all and I don't appreciate it one bit. I am a loyal fan of the Patriots and you just **** on that to defend Suh.

shmessy said:

No 300+ pound man can run that distance, hurdle his own play and perfectly kick off someone's helmet. This is not a comic book. You are pulling muscles trying too hard.

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It is entirely plausible that a 300+ pound professional athlete can run that distance and "accidentally" kick Fitzpatrick in the head as he tumbles to the ground.

Also, Suh didn't have to hurdle anybody. His teammate dived in his running path but was clear by the time Suh "accidentally" swung his left leg around to his Fitzpatrick in the head.

Brady6 said:

Straying from one topic to another when you can't offer anything of merit is weak, if you want to be a **** just stop quoting my posts because trying to disparage me cause you disagree me is unnecessary and frankly disappointing.

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You ADMITTED using the EXACT SAME playbook of "because they've done it in the past, they are not innocent until guilty".

It is what it is.