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Patriots Trade Hooman to the Saints for Akiem Hicks


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I really liked Hooman. No, he was never a world beater, but he was that solid kind of guy who worked his ass off. He is the kind of guy you need in the 53, just solid at the bottom, as not every player is going to the HOF.

I'm very hopeful though that Hicks will solidify the run stuffing . We may well have got a steal here.
 
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I really liked Hooman. No, he was never a world beater, but he was that solid kind of guy who worked his ass off. He is the kind of guy you need in the 53, just solid at the bottom, as not every player is going to the HOF.

i'm very hopeful though that Nicks will solidify the run blocking. We may well have got a steal here.

You mean "Hicks" and "run defense" don't you?

Or did BB trade for yet ANOTHER player?
 
Auto correct for Hicks, and run blocking is me multi-tasking, meant blocking the runner and was lazy with the term...let me edit!
 
Agreed. Hicks played well as a 4-3 defensive tackle in 2013, and not so well as a 3-4 DE. From what I've read, he was much better against the run than the pass, and that is what we need, especially since Brown's biggest problems so far have been against the run.

On the subject of Brown, I know he seems to have a lot to learn, but I had a question for one of the numerous people-smarter-about-football-than-me on the site: it is difficult for me to quantify, but it just seems to me that for some reason DT is a position that takes longer than most to become proficient at. I remember reading speculation after their first year or two that guys like Marcel Dareus and Dontari Poe were semi-busts, only for them to emerge as top players later. I don't think anybody considered Vince a bust after his rookie year, but he didn't really emerge until a year or two later. DE or OLB seems to have more "rookie sensations", perhaps because fleet youngsters that can fly around the edge for plenty of sacks.

The only data I could come up with is Defensive Rookie of the Year awards for the last 20 years, there have been 12 linebackers, 5 defensive ends, 2 defensive tackles (Suh in 2010 and Donald last year), and 1 cornerback. I would like to conclude that DT is one of the hardest defensive positions to learn, but one could just as easy speculate from this data that it is more difficult for DT's to put up splashy numbers that lead to Defensive Rookie of the Year awards.

Do you guys consider DT as a particularly hard position to be proficient as a rookie? And, can that explain Brown's difficulties so far, or not?o_O
I think you are on to something with your point about how hard it is in this league to win an individual award if you are not playing a position that allows you to ring up flashy stats. It rings true for all of the individual awards really. Brown may just need some time to develop and Easley might too; although I'm expecting big things from him soon. I'm not really worried. Belichick doesn't miss on first round talent often if at all.
 
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Somewhere in New England, @Off The Grid just had an orgasm.

Maybe he's the one who rear ended Watson.

Don't you dare judge our Love!! :mad:
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Seriously, though: Yeah, I was ~ and remain ~ an enormous Fan of Akiem Hicks.

The Odds aren't great, but they're not awful...and the Potential is immense.
 
I didn't know what to think, but since there were three threads on the saints forum, one 30 pages long about this trade and how Hicks is washed up now that he's gone, I assume they don't like the trade.

The lady doth protest too much.
 
I can't believe they gave him Devin Wyman's number. No respect.

LOL...yeah but the 1st thing that came to my mind was that's more of an OT number...Matt Light.

EDIT: back in the day Tim Goad...my season ticket years
 
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I didn't know what to think, but since there were three threads on the saints forum, one 30 pages long about this trade and how Hicks is washed up now that he's gone, I assume they don't like the trade.

The lady doth protest too much.

IMO this is how it went down...

year 1 - played well at DT and everyone was happy with his play
year 2 - had a typical 2nd year slump. **it happens
year 3 - was moved to DE...a position he is not comfortable with. He should have excelled in year 3 at DT but instead was forced to play out of position...then traded

IMO...we got a steal
 
LOL...yeah but the 1st thing that came to my mind was that's more of an OT number...Matt Light.
Yea I know. I just remember back in the mid-90s everyone was gushing over Wyman - including me and he never really did anything. Had all the physical tools. I was calling him the next Leon Lett. Bust.
 
Things seem to be working out well for the Hooman in New Orleans

The change hasn’t been radical or signaled a fundamental shift in how the New Orleans offense operates. The Saints are still a team that predominately operates with three receivers on the field (although that wasn’t true against the Colts). But Hoomanawanui has allowed the Saints to introduce a package of plays where three tight ends take the field along with one receiver and one running back, also known as 13 personnel.

This package, in some ways, is an extension or the next step of what the team was trying to do early in the season by having rookie offensive tackle Andrus Peat report as an eligible receiver in heavy packages. The difference is Hoomanawanui is a threat to make offensive plays, where Peat essentially served as a sixth offensive lineman, which has made these three-tight end sets more dangerous and creative.

“His size and weight help give you some versatility in the multiple tight end looks,” Payton said. “He is smart and he knows what to do every play — he probably knows what everyone else is supposed to do. He is someone that, within the right type of route combination, can find the seam and has some pretty good awareness.”

The Saints have run 30 plays out of their 13 personnel over the past three weeks with Hoomanawanui on the field. Of those plays, there were 19 runs for an average of 2.7 yards per carry, though several of those came at or near the goal line. New Orleans has also completed 5-of-10 passes for 59 yards out of the set.

How one player — Michael Hoomanawanui — has allowed Sean Payton, Saints to add new wrinkles to offense
 
It always seemed like Hooman had good hands. He generally would make the catches when thrown to him, and occasionally made some surprisingly acrobatic catches. It's entirely possible he just had no chance to develop that here due to the presence of Gronk, Edelman, Vereen/Lewis, and others who work his area of the field better. I'm glad he's finding a good role there though, as he was a solid pro for us.
 
I'm happy for Hooman. Hicks is working out for us too. He's averaging blowing up one play a game so far.
 

Interesting. Wonder if Payton's interest was stimulated by watching BB use the three TE sets a couple of times and then thinking about what he could do with that with the Saints? Seems like it could be another wrinkle introduced by Belichick that becomes popular elsewhere. It's going to make the TE position even more valuable.
 
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