The Ongoing Tom Brady Post-AFCCG Ist Half (Framegate) Performance Thread

BTW...where's Waldo-dell?

farn said:

I was shocked as an 8th grader that Ben Johnson had tested positive in Seoul in 1988. With so many other scandals and discoveries I have come to believe that they are all using. Golfers use. Ball players use. Football players use. I believe almost all professional (and many many amateur) athletes use.

Humans did not evolve this much since the 70s-80s. It isn't scientifically possible for a human like Usain to run sub 9.7s. Or OLs in Div II to be larger than NFL OLs from 25 years ago. Or 265 lbs LBs to run 4.4 forties.

Those who want to believe in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and "clean" sports are free to do so.

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You know, in 1998 I stood at the top of the col de madeleine with Greg Lemond and he mentioned that everyone in cycling was now cheating. He said that in 1991 he came back to the Tour de France in the best shape of his life but could not keep up with anyone. EPO had hit the peleton and taken over cycling. It has never recovered.

I don't doubt that many professional athlete take things - especially HGH to accelerate healing time. Heck, my wife is a competitive tri-athelete and everyone is taking viagra to improve performance!

Through three games, Brady’s 1,112 passing yards are the fifth-most in NFL history. Brady himself holds the record with 1,327 yards through the first three games of 2011, followed by Kurt Warner (1,212 in 2000), Drew Bledsoe (1,166 in 1994) and Peyton Manning (1,143 in 2013).

farn said:

I was shocked as an 8th grader that Ben Johnson had tested positive in Seoul in 1988. With so many other scandals and discoveries I have come to believe that they are all using. Golfers use. Ball players use. Football players use. I believe almost all professional (and many many amateur) athletes use.

Humans did not evolve this much since the 70s-80s. It isn't scientifically possible for a human like Usain to run sub 9.7s. Or OLs in Div II to be larger than NFL OLs from 25 years ago. Or 265 lbs LBs to run 4.4 forties.

Those who want to believe in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and "clean" sports are free to do so.

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Brady's game is not based on athleticism, but on intelligence, decision-making, and accuracy. There's no reason why he can't still be great at those three things as he ages. The key is that his body tends to not get beat up like other QBs throughout history.

Consider the simple metric of sacks (we know QBs get hit a lot more than just sacks, but still) plus rushes. Remember that years ago there was no QB sliding rule to protect them, like there is now.

- Elway, through age 38: 516 sacks, 774 rushes = 1290 hits
- Montana, through age 38: 313 sacks, 457 rushes = 770 hits
- Tarkenton, through age 38: 274 sacks, 675 rushes = 949 hits (but his sack stat only began in his age 29 year, 9th in the league, so pro-rate those 274 sacks over another 9 years and we're talking about a total of 1194 hits)
- Favre, through age 41: 525 sacks, 602 rushes = 1127 hits
- Marino, through age 38: 270 sacks, 301 rushes = 571 hits
- Fouts, through age 36: 319 sacks, 224 rushes = 543 hits
- PManning, through age 39: 295 sacks, 427 rushes = 722 hits

Brady, through age 38: 370 sacks, 478 rushes = 848 hits

So he has been hit a lot less than Elway or Tarkenton or Favre. More than Peyton, but then again, Peyton's issues stem from his neck injury. Without that, he'd still be throwing darts most likely. Marino and Fouts got hit less, but they still played well late into their careers. Montana got hit less, but he suffered some horrific hits, like the one from Jim Burt of the NY Giants during the playoffs. And Montana was a lot smaller than Brady. Brady is 6'4", 225 lbs. Montana was 6'2", and barely 200 lbs. Marino also suffered a bad knee injury that limited him late in his career.

Brady is just pretty durable, and has taken less abuse over the years than most QBs, especially on a per-game basis.

Despite the fact that Brady is ultra-intelligent and a phenominal athlete, I stand by my belief that all pros are using. In highschool and college - thousands are using in many different sports. To believe that pros beat them all out by being clean is not something I'm willing to buy into.

As Ben Johnson was being crucified, Carl Lewis was allowed to live the life of a hero.... how much did Lewis grow after age 21 ? We are to believe he could keep up w the other sprinters while NOT using ? Of course not. Ben was stupid - and used stanozolol. Carl was smart and went w HGH. Less effective, but undetectable.

Curlers use. Relief pitchers use. Football players use.

Tom Brady has an NFL record 96 completions through the first 3 weeks of the season

This goes without saying, but when it comes to the QBs with 400 touchdown passes

PatsBoy12 said:

We are (and have been) the luckiest fans in all of sports, as far as I'm concerned.

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Ted Williams, Pedro Martinez, Bobby Orr, Red Auerbach, Bill Russell, Larry Bird and now Bill Belichick and Tom Brady. And that's just the teams that I rooted for. Lucky indeed.

Tom Brady

2015 (thru 4 Games):
116/160 (72.5%) - 1387 yd - 11 TD 0 INT

2007:
95/120 (79.2%) - 1118 yd - 13 TD - 2 INT

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(TD/INT stat)

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Another way of putting it: 33 different QBs have thrown 80 or more passes so far this season. 32 of them have thrown interceptions.

Seeing Brady #1 and Rodgers #2 in passer rating is no shock.

Seeing Palmer and Dalton behind them. I would not have guessed that lol

Updated numbers:
vs Ind: 12-14, 131 yds, 2 td, 0 int, Pats with 28 points (2 quarters)
vs Sea: 37-50, 328 yds, 4 td, 2 int, Pats with 28 points
vs Pit: 25-32, 288 yds, 4 td, 0 int, Pats with 28 points
at Buf: 38-59, 466 yds, 3 td, 0 int, Pats with 40 points
vs Jax: 33-42, 358 yds, 2 td, 0 int, Pats with 51 points
at Dal: 20-27, 275 yds, 2 td, 0 int, Pats with 30 points

TOT: 165-224 (73.7%), 1,846 yds, 17 td, 2 int, 119.4 rating. Pats with 205 points in 22 quarters (9.3 per quarter, which projects to 37 points a game)

ivanvamp said:

Updated numbers:
vs Ind: 12-14, 131 yds, 2 td, 0 int, Pats with 28 points (2 quarters)
vs Sea: 37-50, 328 yds, 4 td, 2 int, Pats with 28 points
vs Pit: 25-32, 288 yds, 4 td, 0 int, Pats with 28 points
at Buf: 38-59, 466 yds, 3 td, 0 int, Pats with 40 points
vs Jax: 33-42, 358 yds, 2 td, 0 int, Pats with 51 points
at Dal: 20-27, 275 yds, 2 td, 0 int, Pats with 30 points

TOT: 165-224 (73.7%), 1,846 yds, 17 td, 2 int, 119.4 rating. Pats with 205 points in 22 quarters (9.3 per quarter, which projects to 37 points a game)

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Simply unbelievable.

PatsBoy12 said:

Simply unbelievable.

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Some day, sooner than we'd like, we will have a normal QB again, and the Pats will not win 12 games every year. Let's enjoy this while we can. It really is incredible.