The play nobody is talking about from Sunday

patsfan13 said:

I liked that play.

On the other end a bad play was the fumble by Bortles, the D decided the play was dead, they didn't go for the ball on the ground. I am sure BB drilled them for not playing through the whistle.

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In Devin McCourty's post game press conference, he mentioned he should have scooped up that fumble and Bill let him know it.

Canuck said:

In Devin McCourty's post game press conference, he mentioned he should have scooped up that fumble and Bill let him know it.

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That was the good news, that won't happen again. ;D

Slater being an absolute stud?

But doesn't it just make you so mad when a rookie makes a great play and you JUST KNOW we could have taken him later in the draft? Am I right? ;-)

QuantumMechanic said:

They got rid of force-outs somewhere in the past 3-5 years (can't remember exactly when).

So as I understand it, if a receiver even in the middle of the field jumped up to catch a ball and the defender caught the receiver before the receiver touched both feet on the ground, then if the defender could somehow carry the receiver all the way across the field and throw him OOB, it'd be an incomplete pass.

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theoretically yes, but it would most likely result in a whistle for stopping of forward progress...

Brady_to_Moss said:

Slater being an absolute stud?

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Yeah that was a pretty sick play too. I still can't believe we can't find snaps for that man on defense. He's so smart and such an excellent tackler. Why does Ebner get snaps but Slater doesn't?

Froob said:

Yeah that was a pretty sick play too. I still can't believe we can't find snaps for that man on defense. He's so smart and such an excellent tackler. Why does Ebner get snaps but Slater doesn't?

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Ehhh. I am fine with him ONLY on ST..but that's me

I wouldn't be surprised if physically carrying a receiver out of bounds would be deemed "unsportsmanlike conduct".

QuantumMechanic said:

So as I understand it, if a receiver even in the middle of the field jumped up to catch a ball and the defender caught the receiver before the receiver touched both feet on the ground, then if the defender could somehow carry the receiver all the way across the field and throw him OOB, it'd be an incomplete pass.

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I nominate Phillip Dorsett when we hit Indy -- 5'9" 179 lbs., should be able to scoop him right up!

(And yes, it was clearly a deliberate tactic by Richards and a terrific play.)

LJRomanoff said:

That would be a carry out, not a force out. Now, if the defender could shove the receiver out of bounds from mid-field...

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QuantumMechanic said:

The thing is that the force-out no longer exists. The receiver has to have possession of the ball and both feet inbounds. If he doesn't, even if it's not his "fault" that he doesn't (because, for example, someone prevented him from coming down inbounds) it's still an incompletion. The whole point of the change is that the refs no longer have to try to decide if the receiver would have come down inbounds if he wasn't touched.

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deters said:

theoretically yes, but it would most likely result in a whistle for stopping of forward progress...

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LJRomanoff is absolutely correct. The rule is a receiver cannot be "carried out of bounds" without it being ruled a completed catch.

Rule 8-1-3: Item 6: Carried Out of Bounds. If a player, who is in possession of the ball, is held up and carried out of bounds by an opponent before both feet or any part of his body other than his hands touches the ground inbounds, it is a completed or intercepted pass.

Just to clarify the situation. Richards used a shove so it was legal. Barely

LJRomanoff said:

That would be a carry out, not a force out. Now, if the defender could shove the receiver out of bounds from mid-field...

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Plus you'd have to carry him out toward your own goal line to prevent the referee from blowing the whistle for lack of forward progress.

Concussion Protocol said:

Rule 8-1-3: Item 6: Carried Out of Bounds. If a player, who is in possession of the ball, is held up and carried out of bounds by an opponent before both feet or any part of his body other than his hands touches the ground inbounds, it is a completed or intercepted pass.

Just to clarify the situation. Richards used a shove so it was legal. Barely

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Nice find! Thanks!

Concussion Protocol said:

Rule 8-1-3: Item 6: Carried Out of Bounds. If a player, who is in possession of the ball, is held up and carried out of bounds by an opponent before both feet or any part of his body other than his hands touches the ground inbounds, it is a completed or intercepted pass.

Just to clarify the situation. Richards used a shove so it was legal. Barely

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Players know how to act. It's easy enough to make a carry look as if it's just a shove, because "carry" doesn't have to be a fireman's carry type of thing. Also, you're allowed a wrap up tackle, even of players in the air. Anything within about 5-7 feet of the sideline is easy to do, and up to 10 feet can be pulled off under the right circumstances.

Fixit said:

Should've carried him all the way back for a safety.

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Give him some time, he's a rookie.

Ross12 said:

I wouldn't be surprised if physically carrying a receiver out of bounds would be deemed "unsportsmanlike conduct".

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Depends on whether it's the Patriots doing it.

VrabelJr said:

I'm waiting for the day that this happens so I can laugh uncontrollably. I'm also waiting on a BB coached team that teaches its DBs exclusively to catch players that catch the ball and carry them out of bounds. Receptions allowed that season: less than 10.

... and then the following seasons a team never throws a jump ball against us ever again.

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Oh yes, can you imagine this play taking place against the Ravans?? Harbaugh will say it's against the rules, we need to look at this in the off season...blah, blah, blah..

Concussion Protocol said:

Rule 8-1-3: Item 6: Carried Out of Bounds. If a player, who is in possession of the ball, is held up and carried out of bounds by an opponent before both feet or any part of his body other than his hands touches the ground inbounds, it is a completed or intercepted pass.

Just to clarify the situation. Richards used a shove so it was legal. Barely

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The true question is, do the refs even know this is in the rule book? They certainly weren't familiar with all proper game day football handling protocols.

Ross12 said:

The true question is, do the refs even know this is in the rule book? They certainly weren't familiar with all proper game day football handling protocols.

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I'm sure they're aware of it, but I doubt you'd see it called unless 3 things all happen:

1. The defender wraps his arms around the receiver
2. The defender moves the receiver out of bounds using motion other than the initial force of the hit.
3. The receiver is moved more than a yard

Bottom line, defensive backs should make wrap-up tackles on the sideline even though it's easier (and sexier) to just slam into them with a shoulder and stand over their body after the play. That wrappage could prevent a completion.

Concussion Protocol said:

Bottom line, defensive backs should make wrap-up tackles on the sideline even though it's easier (and sexier) to just slam into them with a shoulder and stand over their body after the play.

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We can call that "Hugs, not Suggs".