The play nobody is talking about from Sunday

This was *****ing awesome. One of the best most heads up plays I've ever seen from a rookie (well pretty sure it was intentional). Favorite play so far this season.

What is the rule on force outs these days?

VrabelJr said:

What is the rule on force outs these days?

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You are allowed to do it.. That's why Richards wasn't called.. As long as you hit the player after he catches the ball you're good.. Hitting him before they're likely to blow PI on you.

Yeah, the announcers didn't even mention that - I'm pretty sure it was intentional by Richards, who knew exactly where they were. Very smart play.

DaBruinz said:

Hitting him before they're likely to blow PI on you.

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Since when???? -

It was a good play and it's a good rule - I don't see why or how you'd let a guy catch the ball and then be hands off - he's in bounds or he isn't once he touches ground

Just shows how well coached these guys are when you see rookies making heads up plays

Have to talk about the strength of Jordan Richards too, Allen Robinson is listed as 6'3 210 lbs. He carried him quite a ways.

They got rid of force-outs somewhere in the past 3-5 years (can't remember exactly when).

So as I understand it, if a receiver even in the middle of the field jumped up to catch a ball and the defender caught the receiver before the receiver touched both feet on the ground, then if the defender could somehow carry the receiver all the way across the field and throw him OOB, it'd be an incomplete pass.

Should've carried him all the way back for a safety.

QuantumMechanic said:

They got rid of force-outs somewhere in the past 3-5 years (can't remember exactly when).

So as I understand it, if a receiver even in the middle of the field jumped up to catch a ball and the defender caught the receiver before the receiver touched both feet on the ground, then if the defender could somehow carry the receiver all the way across the field and throw him OOB, it'd be an incomplete pass.

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I'm waiting for the day that this happens so I can laugh uncontrollably. I'm also waiting on a BB coached team that teaches its DBs exclusively to catch players that catch the ball and carry them out of bounds. Receptions allowed that season: less than 10.

... and then the following seasons a team never throws a jump ball against us ever again.

VrabelJr said:

I'm waiting for the day that this happens so I can laugh uncontrollably. I'm also waiting on a BB coached team that teaches its DBs exclusively to catch players that catch the ball and carry them out of bounds. Receptions allowed that season: less than 10.

... and then the following seasons a team never throws a jump ball against us ever again.

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Gronk at LB?

VrabelJr said:

What is the rule on force outs these days?

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There is none anymore. The NFL seems to have moved toward a general trend of not making refs judge intent (at least as much as possible), and part of that is that the force out rule is entirely gone. Receiver has to get both feet in bounds, and if the defender has to carry him out of bounds to prevent it then so be it. Still incomplete.

Froob said:

Gronk at LB?

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The ultimate Hail Mary defense: getting thrown out da club.

Fixit said:

Should've carried him all the way back for a safety.

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Heh .

Wouldn't be a safety, though. Since the impetus came from the defense it'd be a touchback and the offense would retain the ball and get it at its own 20.

QuantumMechanic said:

Heh .

Wouldn't be a safety, though. Since the impetus came from the defense it'd be a touchback and the offense would retain the ball and get it at its own 20.

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In my fantasy world, they changed that rule, too.

Shows what you know.

I liked that play.

On the other end a bad play was the fumble by Bortles, the D decided the play was dead, they didn't go for the ball on the ground. I am sure BB drilled them for not playing through the whistle.

QuantumMechanic said:

They got rid of force-outs somewhere in the past 3-5 years (can't remember exactly when).

So as I understand it, if a receiver even in the middle of the field jumped up to catch a ball and the defender caught the receiver before the receiver touched both feet on the ground, then if the defender could somehow carry the receiver all the way across the field and throw him OOB, it'd be an incomplete pass.

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When they first changed the rule, I said that I thought CBs and safeties would just start carrying those leaping receivers out of bounds. To this day, I'm surprised it's not done. It's an easy play, is smart, and is 100% legal.

Deus Irae said:

When they first changed the rule, I said that I thought CBs and safeties would just start carrying those leaping receivers out of bounds. To this day, I'm surprised it's not done. It's an easy play, is smart, and is 100% legal.

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I totally agree. It would seem like a perfect way to defend jump balls down the sideline. Rather than risk interference, don't challenge the ball and instead grab & lift the receiver once the ball hits his hands and carry him out.

QuantumMechanic said:

They got rid of force-outs somewhere in the past 3-5 years (can't remember exactly when).

So as I understand it, if a receiver even in the middle of the field jumped up to catch a ball and the defender caught the receiver before the receiver touched both feet on the ground, then if the defender could somehow carry the receiver all the way across the field and throw him OOB, it'd be an incomplete pass.

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That would be a carry out, not a force out. Now, if the defender could shove the receiver out of bounds from mid-field...

I was certain it was a reception when I first saw the catch live. Then they showed the replay and I started cheering. Great presence of mind.

LJRomanoff said:

That would be a carry out, not a force out. Now, if the defender could shove the receiver out of bounds from mid-field...

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The thing is that the force-out no longer exists. The receiver has to have possession of the ball and both feet inbounds. If he doesn't, even if it's not his "fault" that he doesn't (because, for example, someone prevented him from coming down inbounds) it's still an incompletion. The whole point of the change is that the refs no longer have to try to decide if the receiver would have come down inbounds if he wasn't touched.