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I don't think he played all that great.

He made 2 nice individual throws, but all of his TD drives were set up by YAC, missed tackles, runs, and a free play.
 
He certainly didn't play negative grade-level.

Here's a contrasting view from foootballoutsiders - they have Rodgers as number 1 and Brady as number 2 this week - Brady actually won on passing grade:



Aaron Rodgers GB
Rodgers was very effective throwing very short. On passes within 2 yards of the line of scrimmage, he went 7-of-7 for 75 yards. Three of those completions went for touchdowns, three others went for first downs, and the other was a 7-yard gain on first-and-10. Mind you, Rodgers was also very good throwing very deep. On passes that traveled at least 13 yards downfield, he went 5-of-7 for 143 yards, including a 27-yard touchdown. He was virtually perfect at the goal-line; inside the Kansas City 10, he went 4-of-5 for 19 yards and four touchdowns. The Packers have the best quarterback in football, and they weren't afraid to use him -- seven of Rodgers' first eight passes came on first down.
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Tom Brady
NE

Brady has now finished first, fifth, and second in Quick Reads. He has three games with 139 passing DYAR; the rest of the NFL, combined, has 11. Yes, he's having a good year. There was a point early in the third quarter when New England was ahead 20-3, and Brady was sacked on third-and-13. It seemed like he was angry the Jaguars had the audacity to sack him, because his next two throws resulted in DPIs of 52 and 24 yards, and then he completed ten passes in a row, gaining 83 yards and six first downs in the process, including a 13-yard touchdown to Keshawn Martin. Then the Jaguars had the nerve to sack him again, and so he threw three more passes, completing two for 20 yards. Now, I'm not sure WHY Brady threw eight passes while the Patriots were ahead by 34 points in the fourth quarter when Jimmy Garoppolo was right there for mop-up duty, but that's hardly new ground for New England. Brady's arm strength has been questioned in recent years, but he was most effective against Jacksonville when throwing deep. He threw eight passes that traveled at least 10 yards downfield, and only one was incomplete. Two, as mentioned, resulted in DPIs for 76 total yards; five others were completed for 126 yards and five first downs.​

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http://www.footballoutsiders.com/quick-reads/2015/week-3-quick-reads
 
Aaron Rodgers is a demi-god. If you can't appreciate his greatness, you are blinded by insecurity. He is first-round athletic talent with Tom Brady's decision making and intelligence. PFF is is a joke, but then again, they always have been.

Rodgers and Brady - NOT Manning and Brady - are the two best quarterbacks of the salary cap era. I can only dream as a fan that they face off in a Super Bowl before it's over...what a game that would be.
 
Aaron Rodgers is a demi-god. If you can't appreciate his greatness, you are blinded by insecurity. He is first-round athletic talent with Tom Brady's decision making and intelligence. PFF is is a joke, but then again, they always have been.

Rodgers and Brady - NOT Manning and Brady - are the two best quarterbacks of the salary cap era. I can only dream as a fan that they face off in a Super Bowl before it's over...what a game that would be.

Ehh...
 
Pro Football Focus applies to fantasy football, nothing else. It's irrelevant to real football and should never be cited for anything involving real football.
 
Great, more things to say when someone uses PFF to prove a point here.
 
Great, more things to say when someone uses PFF to prove a point here.


PFF only proves that the person using it is into fantasy football, not the real thing. It is worthless outside of fantasy football.
 
I don't think he played all that great.

He made 2 nice individual throws, but all of his TD drives were set up by YAC, missed tackles, runs, and a free play.

Historically GB gets an awful lot of YAC - but some of that is surely due to Rodgers. An easy completion with some decent possibility of good YAC (because the receiver is not well covered and the ball is thrown in a manner that makes YAC more likely) is a much better risk/reward than a hard throw downfield.

But I do agree that KC really couldn't tackle last night. Not to mention the 12th guy that couldn't ever make it off the field in time. Belichick would have had him strung up by some portion of his anatomy and displayed outside the locker room for the next week.
 
We should pin this to cite any time someone thinks PFF rankings mean anything.
 
It's always painful to see the over reliance on statistics outside of the physical sciences. This is just one of many examples.
 
Rogers is headed to the HOF, but he isn't as good as Brady.

Playoffs:
Brady 21-8, .724 winning percentage

Rogers 6-5, .545 winning percentage


Reg season:
Brady 163-47, .776 winning percentage

Rogers 73-33, .686 winning percentage


Brady is head and shoulders above Rogers, it isn't even close. BTW as to Manning as the best Reg season QB, nonsense. Manning is better than Rogers in the reg season, 182-77, .704 winning percentage better than Rogers not close to Brady.
 
The NFC North is Craptacular this year.
 
I agreed with this board's hard-on for Manning in the 2000s when next to nobody would mention Brady in the same sentence as Manning for half the decade.

I tolerated this board's hard-on for Luck because he's great but still has a lot to prove.

But you guys are losing me with the growing obsession with Rodgers.
 
I agreed with this board's hard-on for Manning in the 2000s when next to nobody would mention Brady in the same sentence as Manning for half the decade.

I tolerated this board's hard-on for Luck because he's great but still has a lot to prove.

But you guys are losing me with the growing obsession with Rodgers.



I don't want to hear Rogers is better than Brady, he isn't.
 
I also think Rodgers is a Demi God of football. Too often people place to much blame or credit on the qb in what is a team sport.

Many of Rodgers losses in the playoffs were not his fault, and like Tom he has never had the sheer quantity of talent surrounding Peyton year in and year out. I think if you put Brady or Rodgers on some of those great Indy/Denver teams that you would trivially have a few more Super Bowl wins.

I consider Brady, Rogers and Montana to be the best qbs I've ever seen play, and you wouldn't be wrong in picking any one of those three if you were starting a new team.
 
Rogers is headed to the HOF, but he isn't as good as Brady.

I don't know whether I agree or not - at best it's just a pissing contest, and Pats Fans Dot Com is going to say it's Brady - but QB wins aren't necessarily a fair way to judge. Both Rodgers and Brady have lost games they should have won on the strength of their arms thanks to historically bad defenses.
 
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