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The PI call came because of the ref.

Dobson dropped the ball, this is the norm for him.

Receivers who can't catch aren't much use. His time here will end unless he gets his act in order.
So him catching 7 of 8 last week now means nothing? He could catch 19 of 20 week 5 and the Dobson hate crowd will be complaining about it all week
 
What was the deal with that "drop" at the goal line? They didn't show a replay. Watching it live, it seemed like it was slightly behind Dropson, but I have no idea how catchable it was.

More than slightly, and he had to jump, and he had a guy draped on his back, and Brady decided to throw a rocket.
 
Inconsistent Dobson. Dropped a couple catches he should've made.

He has all the tools but I am beginning to think he will never "get it" or "put it together". Still holding out hope but the mental make up doesn't seem to be there at the moment.
 
If our soon-to-be #4 or #5 WR is our biggest problem, I think we're doing ok.

Don't sleep on Keshawn Martin. I think we're going to be pleasantly surprised by what he does here.
 
We are on pace to have 160 pages about Dobson in regular season.
Good job boys.
 
If our soon-to-be #4 or #5 WR is our biggest problem, I think we're doing ok.

Don't sleep on Keshawn Martin. I think we're going to be pleasantly surprised by what he does here.
Cousins, The Bears are in a clean house mode. I think the Bostic trade has an upside. I think Bill is using up some lower picks as an installment against "The Great 2016 NFL Draft rip-off". You are not going to get a talent like Bostic in Round six. See what he can do and resign him.....or not as in Ayers.

It has been said by some scribes talented WR Alshon Jeffrey is available (or should) to be had from those Bears. They need warm bodies and a makeover. Ironically because of some small dings on Jeffrey, Dobson has more 2015 catches. But could you vision Jeffrey as our true #1 receiver? I trade Dobson (need a WR going back) and maybe a Tavon Wilson (o tackles but maybe better than what they have) plus a fourth to the Bears for that talent of Jeffrey. Thoughts? 3rd?

DW Toys

P.S. I would deal Cutler right now for a #1 if I could get that. Fox wants this Bears Team his way. Wonder if Chip would swap the younger but as frustrating Bradford for Cutler? The Jets? The Bills? The Rams? The Redskins (swap RGIII?...good change of venue for both. Would excite both fan bases. Gruden could work with Cutler better than Fox)? Those Teams might also could use the unpredictable Cutler. His CAP is high but those Teams have the $
 
Even Chip Kelly isn't a big enough idiot to give a #1 for Cutler. Sure Cutler coming to any of those teams would excite the fan base, but I'm not sure lynch parties are a good idea.
 
I wish Aaron Dobson attacts the ball like Allen Robinson it's like night and day watching Robinson and Dobson they are identical size but one plays like he's 5'7. Dobson does not play like he's 6'3 and he continuously fights the ball. That Slant he dropped made me sick to my stomach...LaFell catches that Everytime. Dobson is officially digging his own grave to the Dog house double catching balls seriously Brady will be looking else where repeat after me go Danny Amendola...yeah I said it! Keshawn MArtin looks better than Dropson.:rolleyes:
 
Cousins, The Bears are in a clean house mode. I think the Bostic trade has an upside. I think Bill is using up some lower picks as an installment against "The Great 2016 NFL Draft rip-off". You are not going to get a talent like Bostic in Round six. See what he can do and resign him.....or not as in Ayers.

It has been said by some scribes talented WR Alshon Jeffrey is available (or should) to be had from those Bears. They need warm bodies and a makeover. Ironically because of some small dings on Jeffrey, Dobson has more 2015 catches. But could you vision Jeffrey as our true #1 receiver? I trade Dobson (need a WR going back) and maybe a Tavon Wilson (o tackles but maybe better than what they have) plus a fourth to the Bears for that talent of Jeffrey. Thoughts? 3rd?

DW Toys

P.S. I would deal Cutler right now for a #1 if I could get that. Fox wants this Bears Team his way. Wonder if Chip would swap the younger but as frustrating Bradford for Cutler? The Jets? The Bills? The Rams? The Redskins (swap RGIII?...good change of venue for both. Would excite both fan bases. Gruden could work with Cutler better than Fox)? Those Teams might also could use the unpredictable Cutler. His CAP is high but those Teams have the $

You'd be lucky to get a 5th round pick for Jay Cutler - if that. The salary's just too high. Also, he sucks, and everyone knows it. Sure, you might be a team with a worse QB, but is it worth taking up like 20% of your cap room for Jay Cutler?

This is why I love trades, player for player. Player for pick only ever happens in Madden. You never get anywhere near what you think you're going to get. What was it for Cassel? Cassel, Vrabel and a 7th for a 2nd round pick? That dude won 11 games the year before, and Vrabel's a Super Bowl Champion.

That's why if you can get a player FOR a pick, you do it.

For the record, I'm not trading two of any player and a 4th for Alshon Jeffery. Tons of upside, but not a proven commodity by any means, certainly not without Brandon Marshall on the other side. I'd be less likely to trade Tavon Wilson because of his special teams value.
 
You wouldn't trade Dropson, Tavon F Wilson & a 4th for Jeffrey? If Chicago ever would accept such a
return for him - which they wouldn't - I would make that trade in less than one heartbeat.
 
You wouldn't trade Dropson, Tavon F Wilson & a 4th for Jeffrey? If Chicago ever would accept such a
return for him - which they wouldn't - I would make that trade in less than one heartbeat.

You probably like Alshon Jeffrey a lot more than I do.
 
More than slightly, and he had to jump, and he had a guy draped on his back, and Brady decided to throw a rocket.

Yea that was a pretty horrible throw by Brady
 
It wasn't an easy catch, but WRs should be expected to make not-easy catches from time to time. He should've caught it, and while it isn't a big deal if a guy occasionally fails to haul balls like that in (like when Edelman uncharacteristically missed a couple last week), it is a problem if they consistently don't get them.

At this point, it looks like easy catches are the only ones Dobson can be trusted to make. If that doesn't change, his role in the offense will basically disappear the moment LaFell comes back.



I think NOT... Lafell and Dobson are the only Big Spilt Ends that the Pats have, versus all the other small quick, smurf receivers.

But Lafell made his value in intermediate-deep, outside throws, to prevent a collapse on the smurfs to limit the YAC and First Downs. He does not have the deep speed or ability to get behind the defense consistently. LaFell substitutes toughness and outside blocking to make his value.

Irrespective of his catching, Dobson is a true Big, deep, outside receiver, the first since Moss, albeit with questionable hands. It appears Aaron can get behind the deep Defense consistently. In that sense, each offers a slightly different talent to meet the given team objective, which is to keep the smurf lanes open, for the all important YAC, which is Brady's special talent.
 
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I think NOT... Lafell and Dobson are the only Big Spilt Ends that the Pats have, versus all the other small quick, smurf receivers.

But Lafell made his value in intermediate-deep, outside throws, to prevent a collapse on the smurfs to limit the YAC and First Downs. He does not have the deep speed or ability to get behind the defense consistently. LaFell substitutes toughness and outside blocking to make his value.

Irrespective of his catching, Dobson is a true Big, deep, outside receiver, the first since Moss, albeit with questionable hands. In that sense, each offers a slightly different talent to meet the given team objective, to keep the smurf lanes open, for the all important YAC, which is Brady's special talent.

That's pretty generous.
 
I think NOT... Lafell and Dobson are the only Big Spilt Ends that the Pats have, versus all the other small quick, smurf receivers.

But Lafell made his value in intermediate-deep, outside throws, to prevent a collapse on the smurfs to limit the YAC and First Downs. He does not have the deep speed or ability to get behind the defense consistently. LaFell substitutes toughness and outside blocking to make his value.

Irrespective of his catching, Dobson is a true Big, deep, outside receiver, the first since Moss, albeit with questionable hands. In that sense, each offers a slightly different talent to meet the given team objective, to keep the smurf lanes open, for the all important YAC, which is Brady's special talent.

Any argument for a WR that has to start with "irrespective of his catching" is, at best, starting with an enormous caveat. More reasonably, it's just generally missing the point of wide receivers.

Yes, he's moderately faster than LaFell. Not a ton faster, I think people here place too much stock in his pro day 40 time, ignoring that pro day times are notoriously unreliable. But sure, he is faster, and in exchange he has much worse hands, runs worse routes, runs fewer routes, doesn't attack the ball as well, doesn't use his body as well, and doesn't block as well. Calling Dobson's hands questionable is a polite euphemism from what we've seen over the past 2+ years. A more blunt, honest and correct assessment would be that his hands suck. Also, I think your evaluation really undersells how good LaFell is, because we repeatedly saw LaFell punish defenses with deep completions last year. Plays were he ran great routes, beat his man, used his body to shield the ball from the defender, and actually made the catch.

Dobson's on the field now out of necessity, because until LaFell gets back there's no better option at split end. And in his time on the field, he's shown that he is what we thought he was. He has size, speed, and little else going for him. He occasionally flashes talent with a good week, and then follows it up with what we saw on Sunday. His hands can't be trusted, which means he can't be trusted. He's shown nothing to demonstrate that he's better than, say, Stephen Hill, and we all know that Stephen Hill is a JAG. A WR with legitimately bad hands is borderline useless, so if he doesn't show that he has passably good hands in the few weeks he has left before LaFell returns, he'll be riding the bench once LaFell gets back.
 
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I think NOT... Lafell and Dobson are the only Big Spilt Ends that the Pats have, versus all the other small quick, smurf receivers.

But Lafell made his value in intermediate-deep, outside throws, to prevent a collapse on the smurfs to limit the YAC and First Downs. He does not have the deep speed or ability to get behind the defense consistently. LaFell substitutes toughness and outside blocking to make his value.

Irrespective of his catching, Dobson is a true Big, deep, outside receiver, the first since Moss, albeit with questionable hands. It appears Aaron can get behind the deep Defense consistently. In that sense, each offers a slightly different talent to meet the given team objective, which is to keep the smurf lanes open, for the all important YAC, which is Brady's special talent.

"Questionable hands" doesn't earn Brady's trust someone should tell Dropson that that Banum & Bailey Circus with their juggling act left town a while ago.
 
So him catching 7 of 8 last week now means nothing? He could catch 19 of 20 week 5 and the Dobson hate crowd will be complaining about it all week

Yes, essentially. We're talking about NFL receivers here. Catching most of the catchable passes thrown your way is the norm. It's not a remarkable accomplishment, it's what he's supposed to do. If he does what he's supposed to do sometimes, and doesn't do what he's supposed to most of the time, that doesn't even out. One doesn't erase the other. It means that he's unreliable and can't consistently do what's expected of him.

This argument is like pointing to an OL who's constantly getting beaten and saying "but there are some games where he doesn't give up any sacks! Does that mean nothing?"

If you do a terrible job and **** up horribly at work tomorrow, will your boss be fine with it because you didn't **** up too badly yesterday and that evens out somehow?
 
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Any argument for a WR that has to start with "irrespective of his catching" is, at best, starting with an enormous caveat. More reasonably, it's just generally missing the point of wide receivers.

Yes, he's moderately faster than LaFell. Not a ton faster, I think people here place too much stock in his pro day 40 time, ignoring that pro day times are notoriously unreliable. But sure, he is faster, and in exchange he has much worse hands, runs worse routes, runs fewer routes, doesn't attack the ball as well, doesn't use his body as well, and doesn't block as well. Calling Dobson's hands questionable is a polite euphemism from what we've seen over the past 2+ years. A more blunt, honest and correct assessment would be that his hands suck. Also, I think your evaluation really undersells how good LaFell is, because we repeatedly saw LaFell punish defenses with deep completions last year. Plays were he ran great routes, beat his man, used his body to shield the ball from the defender, and actually made the catch.

Dobson's on the field now out of necessity, because until LaFell gets back there's no better option at split end. And in his time on the field, he's shown that he is what we thought he was. He has size, speed, and little else going for him. He occasionally flashes talent with a good week, and then follows it up with what we saw on Sunday. His hands can't be trusted, which means he can't be trusted. A WR with legitimately bad hands is borderline useless, so if he doesn't show that he has passably good hands in the few weeks he has left before LaFell returns, he'll be riding the bench once LaFell gets back.

Or, to put it in example form:

Jordy Nelson good
Darius Heyward-Bey bad
 
Dobson's had 2 drops in 12 targets over three games. I think this "Dropson" nonsense is unwarranted.

Incidentally, his catch percentage is better than Edelman's.
 
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