Maybe Gregg Doyel Needs to Get Some Help

Off The Grid · Sep 26, 2015

IcyPatriot said:
I suffer from depression and it's no excuse ... not ever ... for being a ****head and/or an *******.

For The Win!!

I worked in the Mental Health field for a few Years in a Crisis Center and knew dozens and dozens of folks with Depression, BiPolar Disorder, and BorderLine Personality Disorder, and among other things the Experience strongly reinforced something that I and anyone speaking on the subject should already know:

Depression and BiPolar Disorders primarily distort Emotions, not Character.

A fundamentally good man may erupt and act like a Lunatic if he is not diagnosed or if he gets off his Meds, as my Family has witnessed with a very beloved Uncle of mine.

But being a lying bucket of Sewage, as Doyel is, is not a product of whatever Condition he may suffer from.

rochrist · Sep 26, 2015

**** Gregg Doyle, /and/ the horse he rode in on.

Ivan · Sep 26, 2015

Doyle is 100%normal, living in Indianapolis and not being depressed would be abnormal, especially if you love football.

FirstAndGoal · Sep 26, 2015

AndyJohnson said:
You can't be clinically depressed based on circumstances. Clinical Depression is a physical ailment a brain chemistry issue. This is why people who "are feeling depressed" but are suffering from Depression are often made worse by being prescribed anti depressants.
Anti depressants alter the brain chemistry of the person who takes them. If your brain chemistry is not the cause you are altering something that is not wrong.
This is a tremendous problem in our society.

True, people can get worse on anti-depressants. Fortunately, there's usually something that works for people that suffer. As you said, it's brain chemistry.

Like most things, depression is cyclic and I suffered from it since I was a teenager but was always able to hold on until things got better but I got into a cycle I couldn't get out of and had to finally get help. I wasted a lot of years trying to handle it myself (and not really knowing I was depressed) when there were tools available to help.

After getting help, things got so much better that when they wanted me to try coming off the meds, I was worried that I would slip back. I was fine coming off the meds though. If I ever get to the point where I can't function again, I wouldn't hesitate to go back on something to get me out of it. The meds and therapy probably saved my life. I know it saved my job and my marriage. I have no doubt about it.

rochrist · Sep 26, 2015

That's true. My son went to college in Indiana, and a more wretched, godforsaken place I've yet to encounter. I can't imagine much that would be more depressing than being stuck in Indiana in January. Unless it was being stuck in Indiana in February.

Ring 6 · Sep 26, 2015

FirstAndGoal said:
True, people can get worse on anti-depressants. Fortunately, there's usually something that works for people that suffer. As you said, it's brain chemistry.

Like most things, depression is cyclic and I suffered from it since I was a teenager but was always able to hold on until things got better but I got into a cycle I couldn't get out of and had to finally get help. I wasted a lot of years trying to handle it myself (and not really knowing I was depressed) when there were tools available to help.

After getting help, things got so much better that when they wanted me to try coming off the meds, I was worried that I would slip back. I was fine coming off the meds though. If I ever get to the point where I can't function again, I wouldn't hesitate to go back on something to get me out of it. The meds and therapy probably saved my life. I know it saved my job and my marriage. I have no doubt about it.

The problem is misdiagnosis. People who are not clinically depressed do get depressed when their life is not going well. Medicating sadness like its clinical depression is a major issue just as over diagnosing ADD in children particularly energetic boys is.

RayClay · Sep 26, 2015

AndyJohnson said:
The problem is misdiagnosis. People who are not clinically depressed do get depressed when their life is not going well. Medicating sadness like its clinical depression is a major issue just as over diagnosing ADD in children particularly energetic boys is.

It's a serious waste of money, but antidepressants aren't stimulants like Ritalin etc.

Ring 6 · Sep 26, 2015

RayClay said:
It's a serious waste of money, but antidepressants aren't stimulants like Ritalin etc.

They alter brain chemistry. Think about altering someone's brain with the WRONG diagnosis. I've witnessed it and it can ruin a life.

FirstAndGoal · Sep 26, 2015

AndyJohnson said:
The problem is misdiagnosis. People who are not clinically depressed do get depressed when their life is not going well. Medicating sadness like its clinical depression is a major issue just as over diagnosing ADD in children particularly energetic boys is.

I don't think misdiagnosis happens as often as people make it out to me though. There's a lot of stigma out there that people continue to perpetuate.

In both cases you cited, anti-depressants and ADD meds have to opposite effect if you aren't suffering from one of those conditions. Give ADD meds to a child that doesn't suffer from it and they get wired. Give them to a child with ADD and it calms them. The same is true with anti-depressants. If you don't have it, they tend to do little or they tend to give people negative thoughts.

There are a lot of "old wives tales" out there that simply aren't true. If they were over prescribed, I would have been given them years ago since I had classic symptoms for years and never has a single doctor ever mentioned them.

My nephew had to go on Ritalin after his parents tried everything else but their son was just not able to sit still in school. He was getting in trouble so much that he started to think he was a bad kid. His parents put him on it and he's been a model student since. It took away his impulsive behavior but he's still the same energetic kid. He just doesn't have the overwhelming desire to act out.

The other thing is the percentage of people who stay on anti-depressants is very small. They're usually prescribed for about a year with the intent of weaning you off of them. A small percentage of people stay on them.

Can these meds be abused? Sure. When you compare it to something like alcohol abuse among adults though, the negative impact on society is negligible. Just like a great many things, there's a lot of misinformation out there.

I'm not advocating taking a pill and making your troubles go away but just like you would take meds for high blood pressure, if it works, so what?

FirstAndGoal · Sep 26, 2015

AndyJohnson said:
They alter brain chemistry. Think about altering someone's brain with the WRONG diagnosis. I've witnessed it and it can ruin a life.

Yup, and give insulin to someone without diabetes and see what happens... This "doctors give them out like candy" is far from my experience though.

patsfan13 · Sep 26, 2015

It would be easier to empathize if he weren't trolling people so much, solely to p!ss them off.

Anyone think he spared a thought for Brady's wife, kids or parents when spouting venomous lies about Brady?

flasox27 · Sep 26, 2015

Karma

YOUGOTMOSSED · Sep 26, 2015

Is ADD even a real thing?

Symptoms:

1- You're lazy;
2- You don't want to do things that aren't fun;
3- You don't want to listen to things that aren't interesting.

That's a normal person!

Ring 6 · Sep 26, 2015

FirstAndGoal said:
I don't think misdiagnosis happens as often as people make it out to me though. There's a lot of stigma out there that people continue to perpetuate.

In both cases you cited, anti-depressants and ADD meds have to opposite effect if you aren't suffering from one of those conditions. Give ADD meds to a child that doesn't suffer from it and they get wired. Give them to a child with ADD and it calms them. The same is true with anti-depressants. If you don't have it, they tend to do little or they tend to give people negative thoughts.

There are a lot of "old wives tales" out there that simply aren't true. If they were over prescribed, I would have been given them years ago since I had classic symptoms for years and never has a single doctor ever mentioned them.

My nephew had to go on Ritalin after his parents tried everything else but their son was just not able to sit still in school. He was getting in trouble so much that he started to think he was a bad kid. His parents put him on it and he's been a model student since. It took away his impulsive behavior but he's still the same energetic kid. He just doesn't have the overwhelming desire to act out.

The other thing is the percentage of people who stay on anti-depressants is very small. They're usually prescribed for about a year with the intent of weaning you off of them. A small percentage of people stay on them.

Can these meds be abused? Sure. When you compare it to something like alcohol abuse among adults though, the negative impact on society is negligible. Just like a great many things, there's a lot of misinformation out there.

I'm not advocating taking a pill and making your troubles go away but just like you would take meds for high blood pressure, if it works, so what?

Since this is a football forum and we are diametrically opposed here lets just agree to disagree.

Joker · Sep 27, 2015

patsfan13 said:
It would be easier to empathize if he weren't trolling people so much, solely to p!ss them off.

Anyone think he spared a thought for Brady's wife, kids or parents when spouting venomous lies about Brady?

In my old neighborhood, they call this jerk a "popcorn gangster"...he runs his mouth like a tough guy but when you call his bluff and fold his hand he runs to the grand jury bus screaming to testify against his own mother. He's a punk.

fnordcircle · Sep 27, 2015

RayClay said:
Not likely someone severely depressed would want to do a radio show.

Robin Williams.

RayClay · Sep 27, 2015

YOUGOTMOSSED said:
Is ADD even a real thing?

Symptoms:

1- You're lazy;
2- You don't want to do things that aren't fun;
3- You don't want to listen to things that aren't interesting.

That's a normal person!

I think there's a case to be made that being restless and not wanting to sit quietly in a classroom for five hours a day isn't an illness treatable with stimulants, but I'm not the one to make it.

RayClay · Sep 27, 2015

fnordcircle said:
Robin Williams.

He did a radio show saying he was thinking of committing suicide? When was that?

Also, since you brought up entertainers, Bill Burr has talked seriously about thinking about suicide and thinking about driving into a group of people on a sidewalk. He wasn't depressed when he said this, though, quite the opposite.

I'm just saying, as other posters who have observed people who later committed suicide, it's the ones who can't directly express or understand their feelings that are likely to be severely depressed. That's why they would do something that is so against every human instinct.

If they could freely express their thoughts and even laugh about them, they wouldn't fit the profile.

RayClay · Sep 27, 2015

fnordcircle said:
Robin Williams.

Here's an article. Of course people who are performers do radio shows because it is their job. They don't call in to radio shows they aren't required to for work and say they feel like committing suicide. My meaning was misconstrued.
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/la-et-mn-robin-williams-last-days-20140813-story.html

TriplecHamp · Sep 27, 2015

"Im smarter than you too btw, thats another thing that I was big on"

a lot of people feel this way when it comes to the Patriots and Belichick. The most educated region of the country with the best football team and a bunch of arrogant fans who think they're better than everyone else. The problem is, its justified and that eats at limp **** writers from places like Indiana and Western PA or St. Louis.

To them, there is no way that the Patriots and BB are smarter or better, they just cheat. Hope Doyle gets his life straightened out though because Its clear that he has a lot more going against him than anything football related but its become his outlet for his problems. Hopefully Bart Hubbuch gets help as well because that guy has some real issues as well.

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