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I am a lawyer and my understanding is that Berman only ruled on 3 of the 4 points of law in this case.

That means that the appeals court would have to overrule Berman on all three points to overturn his decision. And then, if the judges did that, they would have to send it back to Berman to rule on the 4th point. At that point, Berman could rule for Brady again and this process will just drag on.

It's highly unlikely this gets overturned. The NFL really should just drop it. Everyone else has moved on and they need to as well.
 
I am a lawyer and my understanding is that Berman only ruled on 3 of the 4 points of law in this case.

That means that the appeals court would have to overrule Berman on all three points to overturn his decision. And then, if the judges did that, they would have to send it back to Berman to rule on the 4th point. At that point, Berman could rule for Brady again and this process will just drag on.

It's highly unlikely this gets overturned. The NFL really should just drop it. Everyone else has moved on and they need to as well.


Yeah, but Goodell is soooo close! With another $2 million dollars in legal fees spent, Roger gets a free keychain from the American Bar Association plus a one year subscription to their magazine.
 
I'll eat my Patriot hat if the N.F.L. releases the recorded logs of football PSI readings for outdoor games in northern stadiums during December and January....

It ain't going to happen.

The N.F.L. isn't that stupid

On second thought.....:confused:
 
Sweet. I can't wait for another offseason of drama for ESPN and the local meat puppets like Felger and Mazz to squeal incessantly about until the NFL draft which I won't bother paying any mind to this year for obvious reasons. Jeebus, I hope the Pats win the SB again.
 
I think that's why they're making sure not to do reliable testing in the first place.

When I read that procedure I thought "what does this solve?" It solves nothing.
 
I think that's why they're making sure not to do reliable testing in the first place.


Hopefully fans will be able to get involved with Footballs and Pressure gauges at the games.
 
Berman mentioned "independent investigation" exactly like this, with quotes, all over the document with his decision, and a strong language. NFL is going to be 0-6.

I wonder if Kessler is going to bring up the fact that this is the only case Goodell has appealed. He didn't appeal bountygate decision.
 
I wonder if Kessler is going to bring up the fact that this is the only case Goodell has appealed. He didn't appeal bountygate decision.

A man's gotta eat.

The appeal is necessary because Ted Wells just bought Serena Williams' condo in Manhattan. It's very expensive to hire a Feng Shui consultant, buy new furniture, hang the velour Elvis prints, replace the bidet, update the panic room, and hire a muralist to paint the ceiling with Michaelangelo's Creation of Adam. Especially in New York.

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If it's the NFL's intention to keep the league in the news in the off season, for good or bad it will work because even with oral arguments in late January, there is no telling when the decision will come down.....
Goodell got his"pound of flesh" by damaging reputations and taking draft picks......He ought to cut his losses and call off the dogs....I guess they can use this as an example of 'sunken costs' theory...when you're in so deep.............especially when it is somebody else paying the lawyers.........
 
Scorched-earth Stokoe* clearly at work.
 
I'll eat my Patriot hat if the N.F.L. releases the recorded logs of football PSI readings for outdoor games in northern stadiums during December and January....

It ain't going to happen.

The N.F.L. isn't that stupid

On second thought.....:confused:


Oh they'll release them.

We know from experience though that they just won't be honest measurements.

http://www.robertblecker.com/deflategate-the-smoking-gun/





THE SMOKING GUN

How much longer exactly is the longer needle? See for yourself. Examine the independent consultant’s own close-up: What do the rulers tell your eyes?

Look again. (Yes, they shifted one ruler .2” to deflate the difference!) The longer, LOGO gauge needle really measures TWICE AS LONG as the shorter one.

Would an experienced referee who used one of these gauges 24 times that day, mistake it for the other?

But wait! There’s another trick in this optical illusion: Are the needles both “slightly bent” as Exponent’s caption suggests?

Or did the “independent”
 
So oral arguments would start right in the middle of the playoffs?! wtf...


It won't bother Brady as it will be lawyers not him.
 
I am a lawyer and my understanding is that Berman only ruled on 3 of the 4 points of law in this case.

That means that the appeals court would have to overrule Berman on all three points to overturn his decision. And then, if the judges did that, they would have to send it back to Berman to rule on the 4th point. At that point, Berman could rule for Brady again and this process will just drag on.

It's highly unlikely this gets overturned. The NFL really should just drop it. Everyone else has moved on and they need to as well.

That's my understanding as well. And it should also be pointed out that appellate review does not include new evidence or testimony. The judges review the legal casefile already submitted to Berman and that's it. Then you have extremely brief oral arguments, usually limited to 10 minutes per side. And this will be a 3 judge panel, so it's not a single judge deciding, meaning 2 out of 3 will have to agree to overturn, not just one.

In other words, the NFL, with no new evidence, has to convince two out of the three judges that Berman misapplied the law. And the 2nd Circuit--which I believe is the one hearing the appeal--reverses the decision of the lower court judge a whopping 6% of the time. But, hey, if Goodell wants to be a loser a second time around, who is anybody to stop him from looking like an idiot again? :D
 
Below is an insightful post from a lawyer on a Bills message board of all places:

"Well, you can't look at Judge Berman's ruling as a single decision. There were many separate components to his ruling, including the following:

(1) Judge Berman concluded that no player would have fair notice that a failure to cooperate with an NFL investigation could lead to a suspension, because, in the past, players have only been fined for failing to cooperate with investigations.

(2) He also concluded that no player would have fair notice that he could be punished merely for being "generally aware" of rule violations committed by other people.

(3) He rejected Roger Goodell's finding of fact that Brady was more than "generally aware" of the rule violations. Goodell concluded in his opinion that Brady was more than merely "generally aware" that the balls were being deflated: Goodell found that Brady "approved of, consented to, and provided inducements" for the balls to be deflated. Judge Berman rejected this finding, and instead decided that "the record is clear that [Goodell's disciplinary award] relies upon the Wells Report's finding that Brady was 'generally aware' of the alleged ball tapering."

(4) He concluded that the Player Policies that deal with "equipment violations" apply to the act of intentionally deflating footballs. In other words, he held that intentionally deflating a football is an "equipment violation."

(5) He rejected the NFL's attempt to punish Brady for violating the "conduct detrimental" rule. Judge Berman held that this rule, which provides for a player to be punished for engaging in "conduct detrimental" to the game, could not be applied to Brady, because that rule is very generally worded, and the "equipment violations" rule--which, as I mentioned above, Judge Berman concluded was applicable to this case--was more specific. When two rules appear to apply to a certain course of conduct, the more specific rule should generally be applied instead of the more general rule.

(6) He held that the NFL improperly denied Brady the opportunity to examine Jeff Pash, the "co-lead investigator" in the Wells Report. Judge Berman reasoned that failing to allow Brady to question him during the arbitration hearing violated a federal statute, which provides that an arbitrator cannot "refuse to hear evidence pertinent and material to the controversy."

(7) He held that the NFL improperly prevented Brady from having access to documents and notes created during the Wells investigation, because arbitrators have a duty "to insure that relevant documentary evidence in the hands of one party is fully and timely made available to the other party."

Each one of these conclusions is problematic for the NFL. (1) and (2) call into the question the range of conduct the NFL is permitted to punish. (3) is troubling, because federal courts usually defer to findings of fact that arbitrators make. (4) involves a questionable interpretation of one of the NFL's rules. (5) is real disaster for the NFL, because it significantly narrows the scope of the NFL's authority to punish players for engaging in "conduct detrimental" to the league. Finally, (6) and (7) have implications for the procedures the NFL has to follow during future disciplinary proceedings.

So, if you're the NFL, the decision has far greater implications than merely giving Brady a get out of jail free card. It calls into question a wide range of NFL rules, the authority of NFL arbitrators, and the procedures the league has to follow in conducting disciplinary proceedings.

It's doubtful that the court of appeals will disagree with all of Judge Berman's conclusions, so I don't think it's very likely that Judge Berman will get completely reversed and the NFL will completely "win" on appeal. But, a "win" for the NFL doesn't require a complete reversal of every one of Judge Berman's conclusions. Even if the Second Circuit agrees that the arbitration was flawed, it might not agree with all seven of those flaws that Judge Berman found. It would be a meaningful victory for the NFL to have even just a few of Judge Berman's conclusions reversed.

So, if I'm the NFL, even if I don't think that the Second Circuit will uphold Brady's punishment, I still appeal in the hopes that the court will narrow Judge Berman's opinion so that it doesn't call into question quite so many aspects of the NFL's disciplinary scheme."
 
Any lawyers in the house practice in the 2nd Circuit? It'd be interesting to know some of the judges' history. Like, in my circuit, the judges are very slow to get involved in narrowing construction of the contract language, like the Bills fan describes above. The judge's attitude is usually something like, "I'm not rewriting your contract for you. You saw the provisions the lower court said won't fly. It's your job to make some amendments to your contracts based on the judge's directives and negotiate them with the Union, not mine."
 
........ It's very expensive to hire a Feng Shui consultant, buy new furniture, hang the velour Elvis prints, replace the bidet, update the panic room, and hire a muralist to paint the ceiling with Michaelangelo's Creation of Adam. Especially in New York.

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Ugh. Don't I know it!
 
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