Brady the 50 Pass per Game Gunslinger

Ice_Ice_Brady · Sep 23, 2015

PATS16N0 said:
You think just anyone can do this? When we played the Colts back in the Dynasty years, Belichick called it making Peyton take "the long, hard road." These short passes, that kill teams with a thousand and one paper cuts, requires a quarterback that is masterful at deciphering defenses with consistent, deadly accuracy, or else you end up throwing interceptions and pick sixes.

I've been seeing a lot of haters use Tom's 8 yard passes as a knock against him and it's hilariously ignorant. If it was easy the other 31 teams would ride it to the Superbowl.

Let's see another QB in the league take `the long hard road` against the best defenses in the league without turning it over because it's too many throws per drive.

When you're watching Tom do it, you're watching the best quarterback that's ever played.

It was comical last year trying to watch the haters rationalize how Brady's performance vs. Seattle was overrated. Basically, their argument went like this: great QBs would have thrown into the teeth of the Seahawks defense and lost the game, but they would have shown they are not dink and dunkers. Brady won the game, and therefore, he is not a great QB.

NormZauchin · Sep 23, 2015

PATS16N0 said:
Tom is just unbelievable.

We should put him on the 20 dollar bill.

In the current political environment, Giselle is more likely to go onto the 2o - not that it would be a bad thing.

BradyFTW! · Sep 23, 2015

AndyJohnson said:
But everyone now runs a 'dink and dunk' offense. It is how the league has evolved, because you cannot keep pass rushers away long enough to effectively throw the ball down the field all game long.
Short passes are caused by pass rushing concerns.

I don't agree with that. There are dink and dunk elements to every team's playbook, sure, but most offenses aren't predicated on it to the point that they gameplan on winning with it independently of whatever else they can (and can't) do. I can only think of a couple teams that can utterly abandon the run, have little threat outside the hashes downfield, and can still carve up just about any defense with a combination of seam routes, screens, and short/intermediate passes.

PatsWickedPissah · Sep 23, 2015

aluminum seats said:
Oh, definitely agree with the second part--it's getting hit by these rhinos that'll take years off your life.
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Good point! I'll Facebook message Brady to stay out of NH in this Primary season.

mgteich · Sep 23, 2015

PatsWickedPissah said:
Aaron Rogers has never had to do this, not even once.

So, why is that Brady is in the situation where he "has to do this" and Rodgers is not?

PatsWickedPissah · Sep 23, 2015

Has Rogers had a better D over his seasons?
Part has to be by design. BB takes what the D gives and notably he has a guy who has the big probability of Moving the Chains via the quick pass.
Except for Dillon, Pats have not had an elite RB.

goheels22002 · Sep 23, 2015

deters said:
Fine and dandy but I'd rather his attempts stay around 35-40 tops. Games like this dictate higher attempts which I get but still guy is 38.

I agree. Rarely will we see a defensive line as excellent as the Bills' that makes a running game futile. Watch for big running days against the Jags, Colts, Eagles, Giants and Redskins.

meatface · Sep 24, 2015

I really don't want him to throw 50 times in a game again. Let's try and establish a run game

ExpatPack · Sep 24, 2015

PatsWickedPissah said:
Has Rogers had a better D over his seasons?
Part has to be by design. BB takes what the D gives and notably he has a guy who has the big probability of Moving the Chains via the quick pass.
Except for Dillon, Pats have not had an elite RB.

No. Except for 2010, if anything Rodgers' Pack has had worse defenses than Brady's Pats. Just look at the number of times the Packers' defense collapsed in playoff games.

Big difference between Rodgers and Brady: Rodgers uses his feet to extend plays, either scrambling for yards or waiting for a receiver to get open. The ball is out of Brady's hands by the time the pass rush gets to him. Both are near impossible to defend when they're on their game, which is most the time.

I agree that the short passing game is in part by design. With Brady's ability to read defenses, it keeps the pass rush off him. I would be real surprised however if Brady kept throwing around 50 times a game, shocked in fact.

DarrylS · Sep 24, 2015

I am mixed, you take what the other team gives you, Buffalo may have better with Run D than Pass D, so your game plan reflects it. I thought that the Pats/Brady got greedy late in the game when Brady fumbled, either go dink and dunk or continue to work the run plays, kill the clock.

This week will be interesting, what will the Jags give up and what is their weakness??.. if there is a "balanced offensive approach" and the Pats are able to get their ground game going, it may give teams in the future major headaches when they prepare for them...

I was surprised that the O line and Brady was kept as "clean" as he was against the Buffalo pass rush..

TinhWoodhead · Sep 24, 2015

NFL version of "small ball"?

BTTA · Sep 24, 2015

BradyFTW! said:
I always laugh when people complain that Brady's a "system QB" because he plays in a "dink and dunk" offense. Mostly because these same people will watch him utterly annihilate some supposedly good defense that's supposed to have a fierce pass rush, and complain that their team can't do the same. And they probably blame their OC, since apparently replicating the Pats' offense is as simple as telling YOUR QB to complete a ton of short passes and never throwing picks.

There's a reason why other teams can't: because this "dink and dunk" offense requires a QB who's utterly mastered pre-snap reads, quick release, short-intermediate throws into tight windows, and bailing on negative plays. There's no other QB in the NFL right now that can do it.

I generally enjoy the content of your posts, but have to flinch every time one shows up because of what I have to look at and be reminded about. How would you react if I started a "Go Fund Me" to try and pay you off to change that photo?

A Defiant Goose · Sep 24, 2015

meatface said:
I really don't want him to throw 50 times in a game again. Let's try and establish a run game

I want the Patriots to throw 70 times a game or run 70 times a game. Or throw 35 and run 20. Or run 25 and throw 15. Really, I don't give a **** how they win so long as they win

Ring 6 · Sep 24, 2015

BradyFTW! said:
I don't agree with that. There are dink and dunk elements to every team's playbook, sure, but most offenses aren't predicated on it to the point that they gameplan on winning with it independently of whatever else they can (and can't) do. I can only think of a couple teams that can utterly abandon the run, have little threat outside the hashes downfield, and can still carve up just about any defense with a combination of seam routes, screens, and short/intermediate passes.

That doesn't mean the Patriots do something different it means they do it better.
Every team in the league throws the large majority of their passes in short areas. It is what the league has become.

Soul_Survivor88 · Sep 25, 2015

The Patriots have attempted 91 passes and have totaled only 39 rushes to open the season 2-0. Their plus-52 differential is the fourth highest in the NFL, behind the Texans (plus-61), Eagles (plus-56) and Raiders (plus-54). The record of those other teams when attempting 50+ passes is 0-5, which reflects how they were mostly throwing because they had to after falling behind.

Soul_Survivor88 · Sep 25, 2015

PatsWickedPissah said:
Has Rogers had a better D over his seasons?
Part has to be by design. BB takes what the D gives and notably he has a guy who has the big probability of Moving the Chains via the quick pass.
Except for Dillon, Pats have not had an elite RB.

That's what I was thinking. Perhaps BB doesn't trust his running game, or doesn't think it would be effective due to the poor run-blocking on the O-line. So the Pats had to keep possession of the ball by throwing quick passes and getting players to operate in space.

Ring 6 · Sep 25, 2015

Chiuba E. Obele said:
That's what I was thinking. Perhaps BB doesn't trust his running game, or doesn't think it would be effective due to the poor run-blocking on the O-line. So the Pats had to keep possession of the ball by throwing quick passes and getting players to operate in space.

I think it is actually that, because you have Tom Brady, you can take what the defense gives you and/or exploit their weakness and avoid their strength.
Other teams will not throw 50+ times by design because they feel they need to protect their QB by trying to establish the run and make his job easier. Brady is so good that you can let them know you will throw and they still struggle to stop him.
It works for Brady because he is Brady. Rodgers, or anyone else, couldn't do that.
The advantage of the GOAT.

wolverinejoe80 · Oct 25, 2015

brady is a ball hog!! stop throwing 50+ times!!

VectorPrime · Oct 25, 2015

His arm is going to fall off

mosi · Oct 25, 2015

Sure Belichick is a great coach, but Brady is everything and a bag of chips. The greatest to ever play the game and it is not even close. We should all thank our lucky stars that he plays for the Pats. I don't think we will ever see a QB like him in New England or anywhere else.

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