Brady the 50 Pass per Game Gunslinger

Another stat that I'd like to see is the records of qb's who had less than 80 yards rushing as a team. Brady's probably atop that list as well. Any of you stat experts able to look that up?

Wheelman said:

I've noticed the Patriots have been throwing more intermediate passes lately. Could it be opposing defense related or a trend?

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I feel like they were very cautious about sending Gronk down the seam last season, and now they've gotten back on that horse. Gronk is unstoppable on this route, and Brady is a good seam thrower. It's a devastating attack.

Edelman is averaging <9 YPC so he's still being used short range.

Last game was definitely a downfield attack, as was the last visit to Buffalo. Not sure if there's a trend here, but I loved the Branch/Givens intermediate game of 2003-2005. Brady excels at it, but he hasn't had the best receivers over the last decade for deep incuts and such.

AndyJohnson said:

This is unintelligible.


Apparently there are some hyper sensitive fans who don't want to discuss what they are wrong about.
By your standard every passing offense in the NFL is primarily a short passing offense. Again, explaining how an average pass length of 4 yards makes you less of a short passing offense than 3.7 might help you understand that.

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4.2 > 3.7 (last season)
Brady throws shorter passes than Rodgers and Ben
It's really quite simple

Concussion Protocol said:

I was wrong about an assumed stat. I provided other stats that show Brady to be a short-yardage passer. What more do you want? The stats prove it, watching the games makes it obvious. The Patriots run a short passing attack. Do you agree or disagree with that?

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Last season, by length of throw

Brady 582 passes
behind line 81/13.9%
1-10 306/52.6%
11-20 130/22.3%
21-30 32/5.5%
31-40 8/1.4%
41+ 8/1.4%

Rothlisberger 608 passes
behind line 124/20.4%
1-10 249/41.0%
11-20 132/21.7%
21-30 32/5.3%
31-40 18/3.0%
41+ 13/2.1%

What is the difference?
from 11-30 they are identical.
Rothlisberger throws more behind the los, and Brady more from 1-10.

Rothlisberger over an entire season heaved it deep 15 more times, less than 1 a game.
Any one who watches the Steelers would easily account for the fact that an average of once a game would represent the time Rothlisberger escaped a sack and heaved it up.

In other words there is no difference in the passing games with respect to where they intend to throw the ball.

I'm sure the Rodgers numbers will look much the same.

Concussion Protocol said:

4.2 > 3.7 (last season)
Brady throws shorter passes than Rodgers and Ben
It's really quite simple

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Um, no its not.
But tell me what is the difference between a 4.2 yard pass and a 3.7 yard pass? Are they not both short passes?

the idea of my 38 year old QB throwing 50 times a game worries me

IllegalContact said:

the idea of my 38 year old QB throwing 50 times a game worries me

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He barely was hit

AndyJohnson said:

Um, no its not.
But tell me what is the difference between a 4.2 yard pass and a 3.7 yard pass? Are they not both short passes?

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Every "per attempt" stat comes out short since usually a third of said attempts falls incomplete and gains no yardage.

Concussion Protocol said:

Every "per attempt" stat comes out short since usually a third of said attempts falls incomplete and gains no yardage.

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See you don't even understand your numbers. Those are on completions.

AndyJohnson said:

He barely was hit

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doesn't matter........it's a long season

50 times a game is too much

AndyJohnson said:

See you don't even understand your numbers. Those are on completions.

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Really? I though AY/Att stood for air yards per attempt

IllegalContact said:

the idea of my 38 year old QB throwing 50 times a game worries me

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If he's getting the ball out in under 2 seconds and not getting touched it's backyard football. His motion is so clean and he's not throwing deep much at all.

If, however, he suddenly channels his inner Bledsoe and starts heaving it deep and getting dropped half a dozen times every game then I'll be concerned.

Brady has his read before the ball is snapped and most of the time he goes to that first read and has the ball out before the defense even gets close. 50, 60, 70 times a game, doesn't matter to me as long as he remains insanely good at reading the defense and getting the ball out before the defense gets close.

AndyJohnson said:

Last season, by length of throw

Brady 582 passes
behind line 81/13.9%
1-10 306/52.6%
11-20 130/22.3%
21-30 32/5.5%
31-40 8/1.4%
41+ 8/1.4%

Rothlisberger 608 passes
behind line 124/20.4%
1-10 249/41.0%
11-20 132/21.7%
21-30 32/5.3%
31-40 18/3.0%
41+ 13/2.1%

What is the difference?
from 11-30 they are identical.
Rothlisberger throws more behind the los, and Brady more from 1-10.

Rothlisberger over an entire season heaved it deep 15 more times, less than 1 a game.
Any one who watches the Steelers would easily account for the fact that an average of once a game would represent the time Rothlisberger escaped a sack and heaved it up.

In other words there is no difference in the passing games with respect to where they intend to throw the ball.

I'm sure the Rodgers numbers will look much the same.

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Rodgers very much the same as Brady

520 attempts
behind line 80/15.4%
1-10 252/48.5
11-20 118/22.7
21-30 30/5.8
31-40 13/2.5
41+ 5/1.0

So over the entire season Rodger threw 2 more 31+ passes than Brady. He threw 2 fewer 21-30 and 12 fewer 11-20.
Given him the 80-100 throws he missed due to injury and it is virtually identical.

Concussion Protocol said:

Really? I though AY/Att stood for air yards per attempt

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Actually not sure what it means. Its a made up stat.
It is yards minus yards after catch divided by attempts. In other words, a meaningless stat.

hambone1818 said:

If he's getting the ball out in under 2 seconds and not getting touched it's backyard football. His motion is so clean and he's not throwing deep much at all.

If, however, he suddenly channels his inner Bledsoe and starts heaving it deep and getting dropped half a dozen times every game then I'll be concerned.

Brady has his read before the ball is snapped and most of the time he goes to that first read and has the ball out before the defense even gets close. 50, 60, 70 times a game, doesn't matter to me as long as he remains insanely good at reading the defense and getting the ball out before the defense gets close.

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it's not all going to be like that......you know that tough games come up even against weaker teams

and it's not just his throws......its the hits the targets take

AndyJohnson said:

Rodgers very much the same as Brady

520 attempts
behind line 80/15.4%
1-10 252/48.5
11-20 118/22.7
21-30 30/5.8
31-40 13/2.5
41+ 5/1.0

So over the entire season Rodger threw 2 more 31+ passes than Brady. He threw 2 fewer 21-30 and 12 fewer 11-20.
Given him the 80-100 throws he missed due to injury and it is virtually identical.

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Wow, that actually is pretty close, although those ranges are pretty wide. Brady does throw a lot of 3-4 yard passes (or so it seems to me), so those would get lumped in with 8-9 yard passes.

IllegalContact said:

doesn't matter........it's a long season

50 times a game is too much

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When would you ever expect a BB team to do the same thing every week?
If he needs to throw 50 he does, if we need to run 50 we do.

Concussion Protocol said:

Wow, that actually is pretty close, although those ranges are pretty wide. Brady does throw a lot of 3-4 yard passes (or so it seems to me), so those would get lumped in with 8-9 yard passes.

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Come on. Your numbers, which seem shady by the way, indicate at most a half yard difference not the difference between 3 and 8.

AndyJohnson said:

Come on. Your numbers, which seem shady by the way, indicate at most a half yard difference not the difference between 3 and 8.

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Those numbers were the best I could find. Really wanted the average distance that each attempt traveled in the air. Couldn't find it with a quick search.

AndyJohnson said:

When would you ever expect a BB team to do the same thing every week?
If he needs to throw 50 he does, if we need to run 50 we do.

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just saying......so far there seems to be little desire to run the ball