Dump on me all you want, I think Krafty is a little smarter than he's given credit for

flasox27 said:

I am not going to argue the point with you. Do you really think the fact that he was married to the boss's daughter had no bearing on the sale. I think if he started his own company after graduating from Harvard and not worked for his father in law your point would be valid. I am not saying that Kraft wasn't a great business man with resources he was provided, but it didn't hurt his career marrying Mtra

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Yep, life is easy. Marry the bosses daughter and he'll let you have 50% of the business for monopoly money.

After that, just merge that with a company you started and let it multiply naturally, no work involved.

A few years later, hey, Belichick is available. Heck, I like him so much, I'm going to throw in the 16th overall pick and two others for lower picks. Just consider it a tip Woody.

Weee, life is easy. Just living off the fat of the land.

RayClay said:

His availability? Have you actually followed the team?

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Yes as long as you have. I am well aware that Parcells pulled a stunt in making BB the head coach of the Jets and that Kraft paid a ransom of picks to get him. Are you aware that BB had a special agreement with Hess that he would have honored. Do you also remember that when Parcells left Kraft had interviewed BB for the HC job and didn't hire him. So give Kraft credit fur not making the same mistake twice.

flasox27 said:

I am not going to argue the point with you. Do you really think the fact that he was married to the boss's daughter had no bearing on the sale. I think if he started his own company after graduating from Harvard and not worked for his father in law your point would be valid. I am not saying that Kraft wasn't a great business man with resources he was provided, but it didn't hurt his career marrying Mtra

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How did Myra help with the crazy idea of buying the pathetic, money losing Patriots for the largest sum in US sports history to the time and saving the franchise from moving to St Louis?

Seriously, do we have to wait for Shaughnessy to text you your reply?

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I don't understand why you are so defensive of Kraft's financial prowess to which I agree. I did not say the sole reason for his succcess was marrying money and is possible that he would accomplished it without hi in laws money. Just be reasonable, do you actually think it didn't help him.

flasox27 said:

Yes as long as you have. I am well aware that Parcells pulled a stunt in making BB the head coach of the Jets and that Kraft paid a ransom of picks to get him. Are you aware that BB had a special agreement with Hess that he would have honored. Do you also remember that when Parcells left Kraft had interviewed BB for the HC job and didn't hire him. So give Kraft credit fur not making the same mistake twice.

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Yeah, he hired some loser named Carroll. He's such an idiot.

He didn't want to hire a Parcells assistant because of the bad blood.

shmessy said:

How did Myra help with the crazy idea of buying the pathetic, money losing Patriots for the largest sum in US sports history to the time and saving the franchise from moving to St Louis?

Seriously, do we have to wait for Shaughnessy to text you your reply?

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She bawled him out for buying season tickets for his boys. You know the more I look into this, I'm starting to think Kraft had to do some actual work and take some risks.

flasox27 said:

I am not going to argue the point with you. Do you really think the fact that he was married to the boss's daughter had no bearing on the sale. I think if he started his own company after graduating from Harvard and not worked for his father in law your point would be valid. I am not saying that Kraft wasn't a great business man with resources he was provided, but it didn't hurt his career marrying Mtra

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You might want to look up the E.F. Dodge Paper Box Corp.,
then Dodge-Whitney and the three other companies that merged to make the Rand-Whitney Corporation and tell me if you still think this was a wholly owned private company that Jacob Hiatt had the power to hand over to his son in law even if he wanted to.

But you make a great point. Banks are always looking to lend millions to guys fresh out of school with no track records so they can start capital intensive businesses like box factories and turn them into multibillion dollar international conglomerates. all you need to do is promise to pay it back.

shmessy said:

How did Myra help with the crazy idea of buying the pathetic, money losing Patriots for the largest sum in US sports history to the time and saving the franchise from moving to St Louis?

Seriously, do we have to wait for Shaughnessy to text you your reply?

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No pal, I can speak for myself. I am glad that Kraft bought team and didn't it move to St. Louis or Hartford.
He made a great investment as it turned out w hich is reflective of his financial acumen.What I don't understand as to what he did 20 years ago has any bearing his actions since 2007 regarding the team and its fans which most people on this site consider detrimebtaL.

flasox27 said:

What I don't understand as to what he did 20 years ago has any bearing his actions since 2007 regarding the team and its fans which most people on this site consider detrimebtaL.

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......says the poster who brought up Kraft's marriage more than 50 years ago.

Priceless.

You win the 2015 Bob Kravitz Irony Award hands down, dude. Where can we mail the trophy?


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RayClay said:

You might want to look up the E.F. Dodge Paper Box Corp.,
then Dodge-Whitney and the three other companies that merged to make the Rand-Whitney Corporation and tell me if you still think this was a wholly owned private company that Jacob Hiatt had the power to hand over to his son in law even if he wanted to.

But you make a great point. Banks are always looking to lend millions to guys fresh out of school with no track records so they can start capital intensive businesses like box factories and turn them into multibillion dollar international conglomerates. all you need to do is promise to pay it back.

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You just made my point. He couldn't have accomplished it without his start and support of his in laws company. By the way, if you have a great idea like Cuban or Dell, you don't need any help to make a billion.

flasox27 said:

You just made my point. He couldn't have accomplished it without his start and support of his in laws company. By the way, if you have a great idea like Cuban or Dell, you don't need any help to make a billion.

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What I don't understand as to what he did 20 years ago has any bearing his actions since 2007 regarding the team and its fans which most people on this site consider detrimebtaL.

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Make up your mind, kid.

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shmessy said:

......says the poster who brought up Kraft's marriage more than 50 years ago.

Priceless.

You win the 2015 Bob Kravitz Irony Award hands down, dude. Where can we mail the trophy?


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you can send it where the 2016 first round draft pick for the Pats went.

flasox27 said:

you can send it where the 2016 first round draft pick for the Pats went.

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You and Shaughnessy still celebrating that?

Too bad you two can't take away the 4 Lombardis.

......but please. Let us all read more of your posts about Kraft's marriage 50 years ago followed up by complaints about people mentioning things from 20 years ago.

You seem to want to weigh things to the 1960's over the 1990's - - was that a bad decade for you?

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shmessy said:

flasox27 said: ↑
What I don't understand as to what he did 20 years ago has any bearing his actions since 2007 regarding the team and its fans which most people on this site consider detrimebtaL.

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Make up your mind, kid.

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Enough you have made your points and now I see the light about Kraft. He is
infallible and most people on this site can't see that. In addition the fact that he married his bosses daughter was a detriment to his career otherwise he would have bought the team sooner. By the way I think the CHB is an ass and a disgrace to the once great Globe Sports section. Have a good evening

captain stone said:

Why do you think Krafty married her in the first place?

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I think your statement is uncalled for. Whatever I think about Kraft's actions regarding the team. He was a good husband while they were married and I have every reason to believe it was a love match.

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Why do you think Krafty married her in the first place?

flasox27 said:

I think your statement is uncalled for. Whatever I think about Kraft's actions regarding the team. He was a good husband while they were married and I have every reason to believe it was a love match.

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I agree with you there. It takes all kinds, I guess.

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Ivan said:

He is saying he married a Hyatt

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Hiatt.

primetime said:

If not a billion, then certainly close to it in inflation-adjusted dollars. Jacob Hiatt had quite a great deal of money.

Kraft deserves credit for his deals in order to secure the Patriots, but owning an NFL team has become, coincidentally, a foolproof cash cow.

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How much was he worth? How much stock did he have in Rand Whitney?

What does that have to do with Kraft buying a controlling interest in a publicly traded company in a leveraged buyout?

flasox27 said:

You just made my point. He couldn't have accomplished it without his start and support of his in laws company. By the way, if you have a great idea like Cuban or Dell, you don't need any help to make a billion.

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You can make millions of boxes with ideas? I thought you needed factories and equipment. silly me.

I am not here to argue with people unfortunately, the truth doesn't fit with the narrative you are providing. I am not denying that Kraft used his wife's family wisely but it is a lot easier to start with millions and multiply it than start from the bottom as many people do even with Harvard MBA's

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This. Problem with this thread is we have some people that can't wrap their head around the idea that rich people can do dumb things. Since Kraft made all this money we are supposed to believe he is secretly smart in the way he handled Goodell and the Patriots punishments.

Even Kraft realizes he was an idiot at this point. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. No doubt Kraft has had this run through his mind. It's okay to like someone and acknowledge that he has done some dumb things. I actually hold Kraft in higher esteem then most. I don't think he is in it just for the money. I think he just made some poor decisions.

In hindsight we can look back and admit that he handled both spygate and deflategate about as poorly as possible.