Roger Goodell, NFL rolling dice by appealing Deflategate ruling

Deus Irae · Sep 18, 2015

The NFL is not winning the appeal.

patfanken · Sep 18, 2015

find it very interesting that after 8 months of deflategate talk and a brand new set of PSI procedures, as far as we can tell, the NFL game day operations crew didn't measure a single football the first week of the season. UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!! We.ll maybe not so unbelevable. The hypocrisy of the league office should never be a surprise to anyone. However its becoming clearer by the week just how corrupt and desperate the league office is. Even the haters are becoming embarrassed by some of the unsubstantiated lies they are forced to write every day.

Unfortunately the biggest threat to the "integrity" of the game is Roger Goodell and his puffed up cronies.

venecol · Sep 18, 2015

patfanken said:
find it very interesting that after 8 months of deflategate talk and a brand new set of PSI procedures, as far as we can tell, the NFL game day operations crew didn't measure a single football the first week of the season. UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!! We.ll maybe not so unbelevable. The hypocrisy of the league office should never be a surprise to anyone. However its becoming clearer by the week just how corrupt and desperate the league office is. Even the haters are becoming embarrassed by some of the unsubstantiated lies they are forced to write every day.

Unfortunately the biggest threat to the "integrity" of the game is Roger Goodell and his puffed up cronies.

Just curious, where are you finding the information on football pressure measurements? Is the NFL posting this on their website?

memento · Sep 18, 2015

The NFL has to convince at least two of three federal judges that will be assigned to the appeal to overturn or remand Berman's decision. Their sole argument is still the courts must give undue deference to Goodell's arbitration ruling, while the courts aren't even sure it was a legitimate arbitration hearing in the first place. If the NFL hasn't been able to convince a single judge yet vs the NFLPA, chances are slim they can all of a sudden convince two of them.

Where the NFL wins is how long it takes for these court cases and appeals. I believe the Peterson appeal is starting next month after a year, and it will likely take a year or three after that. During this time the NFL can carry on with reactionary punishments without proper notice, and if I understand correctly it's possible the appeals might still be ongoing by the time they negotiate another CBA.

PatsFanSince74 · Sep 18, 2015

If Goodell had not appealed it would either have been because he wanted the matter to be put to an end or because he thought that an appeal would fail. The Owners don't want the matter to be put to an end. He can't afford to admit that he had not only failed but that he had spent millions of dollars to lose. My guess is that he's hoping that there will be less drama around the Appeals process than there was around the original Motions and that very few people will be paying attention when Berman's ruling is upheld.

patfanken · Sep 18, 2015

venecol said:
Just curious, where are you finding the information on football pressure measurements? Is the NFL posting this on their website?

No V, but don't you remember the League making a huge deal about coming out with these new game day procedures concerning ball inflation designed to "protect the integrity of the league"

I can't remember exactly when it happen, but my best guess was sometime . before camps opened

What is terribly ironic is that the league spent 8 months persecuting the Pats over this issue. They put together an entirely new set of game day policies designed to fix the problem. They made a huge big deal about it. And yet as far as we know, not a single ball was tested in the first week of the season. Certainly the league hasn't mentioned anything about the new policy except to say that it won't be enforced in every game, but "randomly"(whatever THAT means). So much for the "integrity of the game",

As far a anyone can tell, the NFL has only really cared about the air pressure of footballs ONE game it its entire history. And once they got the maximum out of that sting operation, no longer give a **** about "PSI" Am I the only one to notice that?

The fact is, if the NFL had any integrity, there WOULD be a site were the official's data would be available to everyone. :Clearly nothing like that exists nor is anyone demanding such a site..

moosekill · Sep 18, 2015

The NFL keeps losing because they don't understand we live in the USA. A good of the game clause isn't a bad thing because no matter how hard you try, you can never think of everything, and there are certainly times when that is needed. Just like giving the Commish the power to arbitrate certain cases. There is nothing wrong with this, unless the power is abused.

For the good of the game doesn't allow the NFL to run rough shod over people's legal rights. There are laws that prevent that from happening. There are also laws that say you have to be impartial if you arbitrate an issue. It is like being pregnant, you either are or you aren't. No one with a straight face can look at the evidence and agree Goodell was impartial. Therefore, he can't look at this case.

Because of this, every single time this stuff goes to court the NFL loses, because they are taking away people's rights, right's legally granted, rights that you can't collectively bargain away. The NFL is just wasting time by appealing it.

They are just plain stupid.

venecol · Sep 18, 2015

patfanken said:
No V, but don't you remember the League making a huge deal about coming out with these new game day procedures concerning ball inflation designed to "protect the integrity of the league" I can't remember exactly when it happen, but my best guess was sometime . before camps opened

What is terribly ironic is that the league spent 8 months persecuting the Pats over this issue. They put together an entirely new set of game day policies designed to fix the problem. They made a huge big deal about it. And yet as far as we know, not a single ball was tested in the first week of the season. Certainly the league hasn't mentioned anything about the new policy except to say that it won't be enforce in every game, but "randomly". So much for the "integrity of the game", because as far as we know EVERY team played with under inflated or over inflated balls.

The fact is, if the NFL had any integrity, there WOULD be a site were the officials data would be available to everyone. :Clearly nothing like that exists nor is anyone demanding one. rolleyes:

Of course I remember. Well we need to find out. Someone (Florio, Curran) has to inquire with the league to see what the plan is (not on the measurement process) for record keeping. The league can't be trusted to keep this information hush hush and then spring it on everyone at the end of the season or worse right before the SB.

moosekill · Sep 18, 2015

A lot of this stuff started when the NFL started trying to punish players when they got arrested for doing illegal things. I don't see how any of that stuff will stand up to a serious court review. There seems to be no rhyme or reason to the punishments. My guess is the next big one will come along and be challenged in court and the NFL will lose.

Does anyone have any idea how many games Hernandez was suspended by the leage for?

venecol · Sep 18, 2015

moosekill said:
A lot of this stuff started when the NFL started trying to punish players when they got arrested for doing illegal things. I don't see how any of that stuff will stand up to a serious court review. There seems to be no rhyme or reason to the punishments. My guess is the next big one will come along and be challenged in court and the NFL will lose.

Does anyone have any idea how many games Hernandez was suspended by the leage for?

I think it was something like 30 years?

moosekill · Sep 18, 2015

Hah, but seriously, the Patriots cut him immediately, does the league have a policy to address something like this? Was he ever suspended by the League? If he was released tomorrow could he sign with any NFL team that wanted him? You can't make this stuff up on the fly, if you do you lose in court. This is the stuff you put in a collective bargaining agreement. If a player is arrested for X, then he is automatically suspended from all play until he is found innocent, if guilty, after serving his sentence, he will be suspended by the league for a set number of games.

raduray · Sep 18, 2015

moosekill said:
The NFL keeps losing because they don't understand we live in the USA. A good of the game clause isn't a bad thing because no matter how hard you try, you can never think of everything, and there are certainly times when that is needed. Just like giving the Commish the power to arbitrate certain cases. There is nothing wrong with this, unless the power is abused.

For the good of the game doesn't allow the NFL to run rough shod over people's legal rights. There are laws that prevent that from happening. There are also laws that say you have to be impartial if you arbitrate an issue. It is like being pregnant, you either are or you aren't. No one with a straight face can look at the evidence and agree Goodell was impartial. Therefore, he can't look at this case.

Because of this, every single time this stuff goes to court the NFL loses, because they are taking away people's rights, right's legally granted, rights that you can't collectively bargain away. The NFL is just wasting time by appealing it.

They are just plain stupid.

Exactly! Article 46 is itself trumped by labor laws.

The Gr8est · Sep 18, 2015

The longer the NFL* keeps this in court, unfortunately, the less likely the Pats can get their picks back because the case is technically, not decided.

moosekill · Sep 18, 2015

raduray said:
Exactly! Article 46 is itself trumped by labor laws.

Well it can be if it is abused.

Koma · Sep 18, 2015

Several days passed between when Berman announced he would issue a ruling and the actual ruling. During that time, a lot of the ESPN and NFL media people weren't giving Brady much of a chance and some (I remember Breer doing this specifically) claimed that Berman was taken extra time with his decision to "appeal-proof" it.

Now that the NFL has lost and is appealing, I haven't heard much "appeal proof" talk.

RelocatedPatFan · Sep 18, 2015

Personally, I think Roger is just trying to mark something off his bucket list.

Having the words Roger Goodell and appealing in the same sentence.

sorry for the cheap shot, Rog. But that's nowhere near as cheap as the one you've dealt Patriot fans and TB in particular. (OK, I'm not sorry)

Fencer · Sep 18, 2015

The league has figured out that if they honestly report PSI, their whole narrative will fall apart. Hence they won't do that.

I still think you should be in touch with some school you used to coach at, encouraging kids to make a science fair project out of PSI measurement. But that's easy for me to say; I'm not doing anything of that kind myself, and I live about 3 blocks from the local high school.

Anyhow, to answer your question -- no, you're not the only person to notice this at all.

patfanken said:
No V, but don't you remember the League making a huge deal about coming out with these new game day procedures concerning ball inflation designed to "protect the integrity of the league" I can't remember exactly when it happen, but my best guess was sometime . before camps opened

What is terribly ironic is that the league spent 8 months persecuting the Pats over this issue. They put together an entirely new set of game day policies designed to fix the problem. They made a huge big deal about it. And yet as far as we know, not a single ball was tested in the first week of the season. Certainly the league hasn't mentioned anything about the new policy except to say that it won't be enforced in every game, but "randomly"(whatever THAT means). So much for the "integrity of the game", As far a anyone can tell, the NFL has only really cared about the air pressure of footballs ONE game it its entire history. And once they got the maximum out of that sting operation, no longer give a **** about "PSI" Am I the only one to notice that?

The fact is, if the NFL had any integrity, there WOULD be a site were the official's data would be available to everyone. :Clearly nothing like that exists nor is anyone demanding such a site..

TommyD4207 · Sep 19, 2015

The Gr8est said:
The longer the NFL* keeps this in court, unfortunately, the less likely the Pats can get their picks back because the case is technically, not decided.

The picks have been gone since Kraft game them away, and they're never, ever coming back.

To think otherwise is tilting at windmills.

Angelpats · Sep 19, 2015

There is a chance we get the picks back but it will depend on those psi measurements. The Doritos dinks need a job and I can't think of a better one to clearing their names than running these test themselves with a few professionals to help oversee everything.

TommyD4207 · Sep 19, 2015

Angelpats said:
There is a chance we get the picks back but it will depend on those psi measurements. The Doritos dinks need a job and I can't think of a better one to clearing their names than running these test themselves with a few professionals to help oversee everything.

There is no chance. None. The owner gave them away without a fight. That's the end of the story on those.

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