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I think (hope) the NFL drops this. They have taken a beating since Berman's ruling. I have to believe there are 17 owners that want this over with.

Especially since their ESPN Spygate bombshell went over like a lead balloon. It was in the news cycle for a day. People are sick of this whole story. Let it die NFL
 
I respectfully disagree. This has been a pr disaster for the league. I can't image they'll let this go on.

I respectfully disagree. Well I agree it has been a pr disaster for the league. But Roger has consistently shown he has zero common sense and will never do the right thing, so I don't know why you think he'd start now. He's mentally handicapped, and nothing is going to change that.
 
If I'm Brady, even if i don't intend to file a defamation suit, I make the NFL sweat it out.

Plus, he can always change his mind (later) if more information comes out or someone rolls on their bosses.

You mean Brady won't follow in the footsteps of the Pats owners and say that he does not intend to pursue a defamation lawsuit, just like the Krafts have openly said they don't intend to pursue the recovery of the stolen draft picks?

Color me shocked.
 
If the NFL actually would have felt as aggrieved as they claimed to be, and as you've seen, leaked such to the media, they would have:

- Requested a stay from Berman's decision (which they would have lost, but you have to go through the motions on that)

See, if the NFL actually files an appeal, that gets picked up by news sites and channels, not just sports sites that the NFL controls.

Aside from you personally, everything I've seen and heard suggests that the NFL has filed an appeal, or at least (as you clarify), started the process of doing so by filing their paperwork. It isn't just being reported on sport sites that the NFL controls, there are plenty of "real" media outlets who have reported the same thing.

I'm not meaning to question your expertise, just stating that I am leery as to whom to believe, that's all.

In regard to your theory that they would've requested a stay, here is a direct quote explaining their decision to appeal to the 2nd circuit, yet choosing not to ask for the stay:

"Goodell said it was necessary to appeal “to uphold the collectively bargained responsibility to protect the integrity of the game.”


He called the need to secure the game’s competitive fairness “a paramount principle.”


Hours after Goodell issued his statement, the league appealed to the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Manhattan with a one-page notice from NFL attorney Daniel Nash.


An NFL spokesman said the league would not seek an emergency stay, freeing Brady to play while the case is appealed.
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/maurybr...uling-it-could-be-roger-goodells-death-knell/

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...chard-overturned-berman-new-england/71504142/

http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/seahawks/judge-lifts-tom-bradys-suspension-nfl-files-appeal/
 
I respectfully disagree. Well I agree it has been a pr disaster for the league. But Roger has consistently shown he has zero common sense and will never do the right thing, so I don't know why you think he'd start now. He's mentally handicapped, and nothing is going to change that.

I agree with your thoughts. Goodell has doubled down so many times throughout this process that I'd find it virtually impossible for the league to suddenly just throw their hands up in the air and not even go through the motions for public appearance.

He was already blathering on about "integrity and justice" on the day the decision was handed down. I'm not sure why some here are assuming that the other 31 owners hadn't entertained the possibility of losing and are now suddenly faced with a decision as to whether or not to move forward? I'm sure this was something that they discussed at recent league meetings, so they were likely well prepared for either outcome. More importantly, so were their high-priced attorneys.
 
Aside from you personally, everything I've seen and heard suggests that the NFL has filed an appeal, or at least (as you clarify), started the process of doing so by filing their paperwork. It isn't just being reported on sport sites that the NFL controls, there are plenty of "real" media outlets who have reported the same thing.

I'm not meaning to question your expertise, just stating that I am leery as to whom to believe, that's all.

In regard to your theory that they would've requested a stay, here is a direct quote explaining their decision to appeal to the 2nd circuit, yet choosing not to ask for the stay:

"Goodell said it was necessary to appeal “to uphold the collectively bargained responsibility to protect the integrity of the game.”


He called the need to secure the game’s competitive fairness “a paramount principle.”


Hours after Goodell issued his statement, the league appealed to the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Manhattan with a one-page notice from NFL attorney Daniel Nash.


An NFL spokesman said the league would not seek an emergency stay, freeing Brady to play while the case is appealed.
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/maurybr...uling-it-could-be-roger-goodells-death-knell/

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...chard-overturned-berman-new-england/71504142/

http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/seahawks/judge-lifts-tom-bradys-suspension-nfl-files-appeal/

I don't really understand where you're going with this.

SI actually hit it perfectly from 9/3 - http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/09/03/deflategate-tom-brady-suspension-overturned-roger-goodell-nfl-nflpa

The NFL will likely file a notice of appeal with the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit and seek an expedited review. As explained below, even if the Second Circuit grants the NFL an expedited review, it would take several months before a decision is made.

Which they did. A "notice" of appeal. This is the actual "notice of appeal". This is all that has been filed with the court post vacation of the award:

https://twitter.com/WALLACHLEGAL/status/639515127012831232/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

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Again, this is all the NFL has filed to this point. No briefs, no supporting documents, nothing. There is no timetable for them to proceed, other than what QuantumMechanic posted earlier. October 28th is the drop-dead date to file a brief by the NFL. If they don't do it by then, the appeal will be dismissed outright. They have until Friday to request an expedited appeal, and they'd need to file their pre-Arguments on Thursday.

If they skip those dates, it would certainly indicate to me, and to anyone paying half-attention, that the NFL is not serious in their statements about appealing.

Although, one could question their sincerity already by not requesting a stay of Berman's decision. Also from the SI article:

The NFL might also seek a stay of Judge Berman’s order that would allow the league to suspend Brady during its appeal, but it is unlikely a stay would be granted. Media reports also indicate that the NFL does not intend to seek a stay.

They, of course, did not request a stay, and they would have lost anyway - just as Brady would have lost a request for a stay as well. It's one thing to request a stay or a TRO pending an appeal. That happens more often than not. It's another entirely to have one granted AFTER an appeal has already been heard and ruled on, and you are the losing party.

Right there, even though they would have lost, demonstrated to me that the NFL's intent to actually follow through on an appeal is not serious, and is simply an attempt at lame PR by a league who is clearly on the run, especially in court. They've appealed the Peterson case as well, but obviously, he's playing, and Goodell has so little respect for the court that he's been brought up on contempt of court charges there. The NFL didn't file an expedited appeal there either, because they knew it was likely they'd lose, and didn't want that fact in the press.

They most certainly don't want the Brady press again - because that's the Peterson case times a million in terms of publicity, and they know they have no case whatsoever, and no chance of winning, and it would be yet another embarrassment for a league that really can't take much more.

The NFL won't file for expedited status, and they will, in my opinion, let the Oct. 28th deadline come and go as well. Even if they do file in October, it will be an 18-24 month process in which Brady will not need to be in court. There will be no settlement talks. And the NFL will lose, no matter what Lester Munson says.

In all honesty though, the best course of action would be to let the notice lapse on the 28th without a statement. I mean, we'll be well into the season, and none of the moron shill reporters will ask about it, if they even know about it.

There may not even be a press release. People who check on these things will notice, people will find out around the beginning of November, wedged between Halloween and Veteran's Day - and the public at-large won't care.

The whole thing will be behind the NFL at that point, and with as little media scrutiny as possible.

If they file, it will be Appeal-Watch. When's the next thing filed? When's the next thing? And in this case, there will be nothing on Brady's shoulders. He's not going to be in court - ever. By the time it's actually done, and 2 more years of embarrassment by Jeff Trolleycar Kessler in court - they'll either lose, and take it on the chin, or win....and have it kicked back to Richard Berman....and we do all this again - and Brady still won't have to be in court unless requested (which I doubt. I can't imagine Berman needs to hear anything else from him) and Brady will play through that too. And Berman will rule against the NFL on one of the other four vacatable points that he didn't rule on the last time, and we do this all again.

But the NFL has no shot at an appeal, none. Munson be damned. I don't care how brilliant and well-written he says the briefs are.

The owners are sick and tired of being told that they'll win in court, only to get their ass kicked every single time. Goodell's not a lawyer. The vast majority of owners are not lawyers. Goodell's surrounded by yes-men that tell him what they want to hear. One thing I can promise you, John Mara was pissed that his name was brought into this and was singled-out. I bet you anything that Mara is one of the owners that told him to drop it.

And he was told to drop it.

If not, Jastremski and McNally would currently be suspended by the NFL additionally. They were left to be on their way, because the NFL DOESN'T WANT THE BAD PUBLICITY.

Goodell is power-mad, and he's dumb as a stump when it comes to legal issues, but that dude knows PR, and he's gotta know the battle's lost here. He did everything he could, and he can demonstrate that to the owners. What he didn't expect was some actual reporters doing their actual jobs and discovering the truth of the matter.

NFL filed "Notice of Appeal":
http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/03/us/deflategate-tom-brady-ruling/

NFL filed "Notice of Appeal":
http://nesn.com/2015/09/roger-goodell-nfl-will-appeal-decision-to-vacate-tom-bradys-suspension/

NFL filed "Notice of Appeal":
https://twitter.com/bobmcgovernjr/status/639534208751419392 (attorney)

NFL filed "Notice of Appeal":
https://twitter.com/WALLACHLEGAL/status/639514196003176448 (attorney)

NFL filed "Notice of Appeal":
http://www.boston.com/community/for...t-angle-regarding-the-nfls-appeal/100/8396554

NFL filed "Notice of Appeal":
http://www.collegeandprosportslaw.c...turns-arbitration-award-suspending-tom-brady/

Most of the media took the NFL's "OMGWEAPPEAL" at face value, and did zero actual reporting, just re-printing what the NFL said, you know, like they always do.

Again, that one page is all that's been filed, and as far as Joe Sixpack's concerned, the NFL "Appealed" and then it goes into the Court Fog for a while, until one of those Activist Judges says something.
 
Oh, and one more thing to consider. The NFL had their Motion to Confirm Arbitration along with supporting documents minutes after they rendered their appeal of Brady's suspension. They've had a couple of weeks to file anything with the court if they intend to request an expedited hearing, and they have not done so.
 
Cossack and Lester Munson are standing by to let us know why this is an amazingly smart decision

After what the Rooney's said about the headphones not working (i.e. put league above team, moving ahead) you can be sure that whatever reason Goodell states for not pursuing the appeal the (coordinated) media reaction will be about how classy the NFL is and how Brady damaged the brand by putting the league and its partners through all of that. Bank on it.
 
Aside from you personally, everything I've seen and heard suggests that the NFL has filed an appeal, or at least (as you clarify), started the process of doing so by filing their paperwork. It isn't just being reported on sport sites that the NFL controls, there are plenty of "real" media outlets who have reported the same thing.

I'm not meaning to question your expertise, just stating that I am leery as to whom to believe, that's all.

In regard to your theory that they would've requested a stay, here is a direct quote explaining their decision to appeal to the 2nd circuit, yet choosing not to ask for the stay:

"Goodell said it was necessary to appeal “to uphold the collectively bargained responsibility to protect the integrity of the game.”


He called the need to secure the game’s competitive fairness “a paramount principle.”


Hours after Goodell issued his statement, the league appealed to the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Manhattan with a one-page notice from NFL attorney Daniel Nash.


An NFL spokesman said the league would not seek an emergency stay, freeing Brady to play while the case is appealed.
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/maurybr...uling-it-could-be-roger-goodells-death-knell/

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...chard-overturned-berman-new-england/71504142/

http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/seahawks/judge-lifts-tom-bradys-suspension-nfl-files-appeal/


But as we know Sup, whenever Roger uses the word "integrity' in his speech he is performing PR and not relaying what he(they) really think.
I agree they want to appeal and probably will appeal, however, on multiple levels the NFL office really wants this to go away. They lost, they lost big, and every appeal is going to end in a one day reminder of 'Goodell loses big' headlines. At this point they just gotta be thinking and working on 'we need some PR wins in the headlines -- not more reminders of Brady and the other fiascoes.
I'm sure they intensely hate that they lost, intensely hate they lost to the NFLPA, vehemently hate that they lost to Brady, and want this loss turned into a win. But they just have to know that ship has sailed. This for all intents and purposes is a done deal. Everything now is just going through the motions.

IMHO he is likely to appeal more because of a large group of owners than his own personal need or belief that this loss change into something good with further legal action. To me the headset radio fiasco revealed one thing; the stories about owners behind the scenes driving/pushing Roger into the absurd actions/reactions are true. Unless it was a behind the scenes belief that painting the Patriots as the evil empire is good for ratings (which it is), there obviously are some that are so pissed at the Patriots for winning so much and they are VERY pissed that BB pushes the envelope to keep the winning going. It is the natural reaction of the entitled - it must be something else than we didn't simply win.
IMHO the reaction by Pittsburgh revealed a deep off field hostility towards the Patriots that must have been there for a long time. I'm not talking typical rivalry deep hatred like Pitt has for the Ravens, this is entitlement rebuffed rage. There simply is no other explanation for the reaction of the array of inane cry baby antics from the Pitt leaders (and the follow up anti Patriot comments from a few other teams). And regardless of their decision to keep up the appeal, if there are a large group of owners significantly responsible for this then nothing is going to change whether Goodell has power reduced or even fired. The root of the problem is a large group of entitled billionaires that think they deserve a trophy because they are owed their turn.
 
I don't really understand where you're going with this.

Well, all I'm trying to do is show that it's not necessarily "just" sports media outlets controlled by the NFL who reported this as you seemed to suggest, hence my links to USA Today, Forbes, and the Seattle Times.

I appreciate the well written and thought out response. I respectfully disagree with the notion that just because the NFL hasn't done anything more than file a notice of appeal in the 12 days since the ruling, that automatically means that they've given up.

I do understand your point(s), and you may be correct in the end. I'm not sure that we can take too much from it just yet, however.
 
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Oh, and one more thing to consider. The NFL had their Motion to Confirm Arbitration along with supporting documents minutes after they rendered their appeal of Brady's suspension. They've had a couple of weeks to file anything with the court if they intend to request an expedited hearing, and they have not done so.

I see the timeline a bit differently than you, since the decision came on a Thursday right before the long holiday weekend.

Basically, they've had one week.
 
Whatever happens, we want the Honorable Amalya Lyle Kearse on the three-judge panel to hear this one. She went to Wellesley College as an undergrad and graduated from the University of Michigan Law School.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amalya_Lyle_Kearse
 
Well I don't know whether the NFL will follow through on their appeal or not. There are 2 legitimate arguments for both options. IMO, I think the league would be smart to just let it die. The right strategy wouldn't be to make a statement saying you aren't going to appeal, but just say nothing. There might be a time limit to file the expedited appeal, but they have MONTHS to file a regular appeal. Months down the road, see how the "wind is blowing", and make a decision. That being said, the NFL is not smart, so more than likely they'll come out with a statement at some point declaring the appeal is going through. :rolleyes:

But there is ONE case that does need to happen, and that's Brady's defamation case. Granted not until this season is over, but eventually. Tom has got to see that Berman's ruling was only a short term fix to get him on the field. Most of the country still thinks he's a cheater. Has always been a cheater, and all of his accomplishments have been the results of cheating. In other words, as of right now, his entire NFL football legacy has been permanently corrupted.

Tom has got to see that the almost immediate release after the Berman ruling of the SI/OTL stories were NOT a coincidence, but just a continuing pattern of NFL behavior design to ruin his legacy. Roger Goodell has called him a cheater and a threat to the "integrity of the game". He is STILL calling him a cheater. Roger is standing by the Welles report. Christ he's still standing by the Mort report.

He has got to see that the ONLY way this will ever end. The ONLY way he can get the definitive evidence that this was all just a failed sting, and smear campaign to cover it up, is......with a defamation suit. Otherwise regardless of what he does, his name will NEVER be mentioned without "deflategate", and cheater being part of the story.

Besides he has a great case. IIRC there are 3 requirements to make a defamation case stick. 1. You have to show monetary damage, as well as reputation damage. (that's an easy one) 2 You have to show the accused knew you were innocent and still went along with it. (again pretty easy just with what we know now, let alone what can be found in discovery). 3. That the campaign to defame was malicious and premeditated. (given the leaks and timing of he OTL stories that doesn't seem hard either )

Another site listed 5 elements I'll post below without comment, but you can see. none of them look like they'd be hard to prove:

  • Someone made a statement;
  • that statement was published;
  • the statement caused you injury;
  • the statement was false; and
  • the statement did not fall into a privileged catagorey
- See more at: http://injury.findlaw.com/torts-and...tion-law-the-basics.html#sthash.u66SmLZ8.dpuf
 
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