Amazing Belichick Article

robertweathers said:

If you dropped BB in the 50s and 60s he would still kick ass.

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BB coaching against Lombardi, Brown, etc., in a time of minimal electronic media. I'm pretty sure that's Bill's idea of Heaven.

turkeyneck said:

BB coaching against Lombardi, Brown, etc., in a time of minimal electronic media. I'm pretty sure that's Bill's idea of Heaven.

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As the years roll by, the scope of the amount of stupidity and sheer madness of Spygate grows. With technology today, you have template imaging/pattern matching software packages that converts the images into binaries. That gets fed into a software-based analytic engine (using historical data as part of the data pool) to correlate the hand signals with defensive formations and crunch it against a real-time or predictive algorithms. You can do this in real-time or run historical reporting to identify trends and tendencies.

In this scenario, Ernie Adams is a dinosaur.

With that said, I don't believe for a second that on that Microsoft Surface, BB is looking at just still images or just coaches film. Complete ********. The Microsoft Azure cloud has the ability to run the technology I have laid out easily.

robertweathers said:

As the years roll by, the stupidity and sheer madness of Spygate grows. With technology today, you have template imaging/pattern matching software packages that converts the images into binaries. That gets fed into a software-based analytic engine (using historical data as part of the data pool) to correlate the hand signals with defensive formations and crunch it against a real-time or predictive algorithms. You can do this in real-time or run historical reporting to identify trends and tendencies.

In this scenario, Ernie Adams is a dinosaur.

With that said, I don't believe for a second that on that Microsoft Surface, BB is looking at just still images or just coaches film. Complete bull ****. The Microsoft Azure cloud has the ability to run the technology I have laid out easily.

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Instead of 'minimal electronic media' I should have said 'no ESPN' or 'no herds of gossip-mongering nitwits on Twitter'. I wasn't referring to coaches' access to electronic aids.

turkeyneck said:

Instead of 'minimal electronic media' I should have said 'no ESPN' or 'no herds of gossip-mongering nitwits on Twitter'. I wasn't referring to coaches' access to electronic aids.

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Ok.

It would have been fascinating to see Lombardi on ESPN or NFL Network while he was coaching. He was very much aware of documenting his legacy, getting his message out and creating this greater-than-all persona. There is tons and tons of interviews that hes done. He was not shy of the camera at all.

To your point, because he was so accommodating, ESPN would have loved him. He also had some run-ins with Rozelle so who knows what would have happened there.

robertweathers said:

A fascinating discussion.

Keep in mind, VL was the first coach to utilize 8mm to record practices and games from various angles. When he was OC for the Giants, he had Wellington Mara take Polaroids of the defense, put them in a sock and send them down via a wire. He was the first to do so.

VL may/may not have BBs brains but in terms of leveraging technology to gain advantage, he was an innovator.

He was also incredible at evaluating talent.

IMO if a coach or player is great but from a different era, if you give them enough time and the tools of the current era, they will still be great.

Same is reversed. If you dropped BB in the 50s and 60s he would still kick ass.

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If Lombardi had to endure the 24/7, all-pervasive media analysis exam that BB has to operate in, I suspect some of his innovations might be called "cheating".

The Gr8est said:

If Lombardi had to endure the 24/7, all-pervasive media analysis exam that BB has to operate in, I suspect some of his innovations might be called "cheating".

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He absolutely did! Everyone did. When Paul Brown was HC of the Browns, he put a headset in Otto Graham's helmet (which was illegal at the time but no one said anything) so he could radio in plays. When they played the Giants and Tom Landry was DC, he'd have someone pick up the radio frequency and listen in and then signal in the right defense or shift players around accordingly to counteract vs the offensive play call.

As you know Lombardi was the OC on that same team and based on how much we know Lombardi loved video, I'd bet my children he was recording hand signals and coaching Bart Starr on what defense to look for before calling the play...and Lombardi let Starr call his own plays and audibles for that reason.

Belichick is going to outwork you and have his team absolutely prepared for a win. He's going to meet every contingency.

But here's what people miss with all these cheating allegations. As hard as he works to win, he also recognizes that this is just a sport.

Proof?

Let me ask you this: how many coaches would have benched a star WR for the first half of a playoff game for making mild comments about the personal life of someone from the other team?

I would bet almost none. Yet Belichick regarded that press conference as one that required redress. Above winning a football game, he placed an emphasis on common decency and fairness.

You're telling me that he is ruthless?

He wouldn't even let a press conference comment go. We were all joking here about it. And yet he thought it was a moral failing on the star WRs part.

What does this tell you about Belichick?

robertweathers said:

Ok.

It would have been fascinating to see Lombardi on ESPN or NFL Network while he was coaching. He was very much aware of documenting his legacy, getting his message out and creating this greater-than-all persona. There is tons and tons of interviews that hes done. He was not shy of the camera at all.

To your point, because he was so accommodating, ESPN would have loved him. He also had some run-ins with Rozelle so who knows what would have happened there.

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Interesting point. I think Lombardi would definitely be more at home in today's media soaked NFL than BB is; Parcells-like, even, in his embrace of the attention. But BB would definitely prefer the days when 'media' consisted of a few newspaper reporters whose knowledge of and respect for the game was infinite in comparison to today's pathetic hacks.

turkeyneck said:

Interesting point. I think Lombardi would definitely be more at home in today's media soaked NFL than BB is; Parcells-like, even, in his embrace of the attention. But BB would definitely prefer the days when 'media' consisted of a few newspaper reporters whose knowledge of and respect for the game was infinite in comparison to today's pathetic hacks.

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I completely agree.

If you have watched any of his old press conferences or interviews, VL was a master at handling the media. The only difference between BB and Vince is that BB would say, "I don't know" and VL would use 5 or 6 sentences to talk about something completely different than the question that was asked. As yousay Tuna did the same thing. Must be a Jersey thing. Brilliant.

upstater1 said:

Let me ask you this: how many coaches would have benched a star WR for the first half of a playoff game for making mild comments about the personal life of someone from the other team?

I would bet almost none. Yet Belichick regarded that press conference as one that required redress. Above winning a football game, he placed an emphasis on common decency and fairness.

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Doubt very much it was about "common decency and fairness".

I think it far more likely was that BB told the troops -- for whatever reason (could be as simple as not wanting to feed into any distractions) -- "I don't want us making any comments about Rex's sex life, so don't even go there. At all." And then Welker was insubordinate and so was punished for insubordination.

QuantumMechanic said:

Doubt very much it was about "common decency and fairness".

I think it far more likely was that BB told the troops -- for whatever reason (could be as simple as not wanting to feed into any distractions) -- "I don't want us making any comments about Rex's sex life, so don't even go there. At all." And then Welker was insubordinate and so was punished for insubordination.

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Belichick went out of his way to talk about it with Ryan and to apologize for a player bringing up his personal live. So at the very least, it was definitely a part of Belichick's moral sense.

patfanken said:

This article is like the "do your job" piece. It shows us the REAL reason why the Pats win, regardless of the players. People should note the difference between Tomlin and BB when the phones go down. Tomlin whines to the country, BB says nothing but makes sure he will never be caught flat footed again when the phones go down.

In fact did anyone here know that in the 2011 superbowl the Pats phones went down. I know I never have. I had to wait for some story to come out years later. GOD are we lucky to have him here.....AND man is it painful to have his integrity questioned by lesser mean spirited men. Don Shula should be ashamed.

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Ken, you've been around long enough to know that Shula (and, evidently, Tomlin also) have no real shame when it comes to moral preening about BB. Part of what nauseates me about the NFL at this point is the phony "angels and Devils" morality play. Green Bay, the Rooneys/Steelers, 49ers/Bill Walsh among others are permanently anointed superior moral beings in this melodrama. We have to accept that the story has been written now to include Brady. Shameful indeed.

Perhaps, the league, players and fans are right...that B is football illiterate? The real reason the Patriots win is because they cheat. In fact, there can be no other reason because THE POLLS say so. (DISCLAIMER: polls are not science.)

So, let's follow their reasoning, because, once again, THE POLLS inform that something else is going on. Many unbalanced egos- that attach to TRENDS -believe that if they all agree on something, then that's the way it is. Put simply, they have been conditioned to believe that this is THE WAY. (It's not.) And what I say to these types is: Go put your hand on the hot stove and just tell yourself that it's not hot...and have a nice burn! How many have noticed that this is a sporting example of controlling the rhetoric to control the argument? They- who follow trends - believe that if they all agree then it is so. Of course, IDIOTS follow trends. This is well-known in the world of wisdom. Just read up on some quotations from the wise and what they have to same about the "trendy ones" who are, in actuality, the fools of the world.

And who is the bigger fool- the fool or the fool that follows?

Better than I expected. Really well done.

Hoodie said:

Anybody else remember a play that happened in Buffalo? I'm hazy on the details now but I think he Bills fumbled and the ball rolled out of bounds in the end zone and the Patriots player knew what to do because BB had quizzed them and they had practiced it. Not something that happens ever day but they had practiced it!

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I think the play you're thinking about was a completed pass along the right sideline to David Patten I think, and instead of going out he took on the defender heading his way and got knocked out cold. When he fell and let go of the ball it grazed his leg while he was lying partly out of bounds. That meant that it was a completed pass and a dead ball.

That was one of the most hard-hitting games that I can remember from 2001, and ended with a Vinatieri FG in overtime for a 12-9 win (4FGs to 3). I looked it up and it was the 4th of the 9 straight wins that came after the regular season loss to the Lambs.