Can/Will Brady catch Manning in meaningless stats?

robertweathers said:

After yesterday, I really wonder how the hell he is going to throw in late November.

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watched the entire game. his arm strength isn't the issue. it's adequate. but his decision making and accuracy has fallen badly

wolverinejoe80 said:

watched the entire game. his arm strength isn't the issue. it's adequate. but his decision making and accuracy has fallen badly

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The lessened accuracy is a product of the diminished arm strength.

5 Superbowls is the only record needed.

wolverinejoe80 said:

watched the entire game. his arm strength isn't the issue. it's adequate. but his decision making and accuracy has fallen badly

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He over threw some long balls that he usually completes in his sleep. IMO he muscled them and with added, "umph" you loose accuracy.

wolverinejoe80 said:

watched the entire game. his arm strength isn't the issue. it's adequate. but his decision making and accuracy has fallen badly

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Maybe because he only has...gulp...two pro bowl receivers and then a few jags this year? I don't believe I have ever seen Manning play with less than three pro bowl pass catchers. Poor guy.

Brady is currently winning >77% of the games he has started. This is a stat no one will come close to, if the start > 100 games. Then factor in his playoff record.

PatsWSB47 said:

Well I don't think anyone ever will pass him in one and dones in the playoffs. That one will never be broken

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Or SuperBowl pick 6s

4 SB rings to 1

I think peyton is doing the catching..

dales804 said:

I don't really care. Brady is better than him. But Manning would have to retire soon, like end of this year, and Brady go another 4+ years to get close.

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Which may look to be very possible.

RelocatedPatFan said:

Brady has already passed Manning in the stats that matter. Playoff Appearances, Playoff Wins, AFC Championships, SB wins, and SB MVPs (though that's just icing on the cake).

and, Brady has more than respectable volume stats.

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I always fall back on the CHFF.com column from, I believe, 2005 which compared Brady vs. Manning in outdoor stadiums vs. domes. People will bring up weapons available to the QB's but that can be a 'chicken or the egg' argument so I don't even bother. All you need to know is Manning played predominantly in domes--his home stadium plus 4 times a year vs. divisional opponents. Brady hasn't had a default dome game on his schedule with Gillette and three outdoor stadiums vs. divisional opponents.

Even before Brady took off in 2007 stats-wise he was beating Manning when broken down against dome vs. outdoors, in TD%, TD/INT, y/att, y/g, QBR. And I'm sure if broken down even further--dome, outdoor and good conditions, outdoors and inclement weather--the gap would be even wider.

I've always said if I had the time to compile the stats and break them down I'd love to see the numbers. I think this 'Manning has the stats, Brady has the rings' argument was bunk even before Brady and Moss teamed up, now it'd be an embarrassment.

ChoWZa said:

If the Patriots played in a dome and Brady had Moss his whole career, or any receivers at all for that matter, and you put Peyton Manning in the cold with no receivers. Wonder what those numbers might have looked like.

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The stats might be bigger, but there's one — "4" — that would likely be less. That's a trade-off I (and I'd bet Brady) would make any day.

Great quarterbacks don't deserve great "weapons" — they deserve good to great defenses and special teams. The Colts still haven't learned that.

Here is an easy way to look at it.

Brady is 134 TDs Behind Manning
Brady is 16,320 yards behind Manning

If you divide that by 4 it works out to about 33 TDs and 4,080 yards. So if he plays 4 years longer then Manning I'd say it is very likely he will pass him in those.

It is worth noting Brady has started in 13 full seasons basically (this will be his 14th... did not start in 2000 and 2008 was lost to injury)

Manning has started in 16 full seasons basically (this will be his 17th... he missed 2011 to injury)

So basically Manning has 3+ years on Brady...
Also having better weapons the majority of his career has added another year it seems stastically.

So if Manning plays this year then retires (which i think he will do... I don't think he wants to play after this year... but if he does i doubt 3)

Brady would need to play effectively into 2019 to catch Manning or basically till he is 43. I don't think he can likely.. not that it matters a ton.


Brady is about 4 years behind Manning. If he plays 4 years longer than him he will likely catch up in those

I don't know…

Can an outdoor, bad weather quarterback, who has routinely had good to great defenses in his division, surpass the meaningless stats of a dome-player in the always-soft AFC South, who played for teams that always sunk all of their salary cap into offensive weapons?

We shall see.

BobDigital said:

Here is an easy way to look at it.

Brady is 134 TDs Behind Manning
Brady is 16,320 yards behind Manning

If you divide that by 4 it works out to about 33 TDs and 4,080 yards. So if he plays 4 years longer then Manning I'd say it is very likely he will pass him in those.

It is worth noting Brady has started in 13 full seasons basically (this will be his 14th... did not start in 2000 and 2008 was lost to injury)

Manning has started in 16 full seasons basically (this will be his 17th... he missed 2011 to injury)

So basically Manning has 3+ years on Brady...
Also having better weapons the majority of his career has added another year it seems stastically.

So if Manning plays this year then retires (which i think he will do... I don't think he wants to play after this year... but if he does i doubt 3)

Brady would need to play effectively into 2019 to catch Manning or basically till he is 43. I don't think he can likely.. not that it matters a ton.


Brady is about 4 years behind Manning. If he plays 4 years longer than him he will likely catch up in those

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Good math, but two things:

1. You aren't accounting for Brady outproducing Manning atleast somewhat this year. IMO, this is almost certain. I could see 38 TDs for Brady and 26-28 for Manning.

2. Brady would be 42 during the 2019 season, not 43. Moon threw 25 TDs at age 41 so who knows.

I just think it is an interesting thought that Brady could beat Manning in the end in volume stats despite inferior weapons, dome, stat padding, etc. I echo others that it does not matter for Brady to be considered GOAT, as the best win % of all time is a more important regular season stat anyway.

patsinthesnow said:

Good math, but two things:

1. You aren't accounting for Brady outproducing Manning atleast somewhat this year. IMO, this is almost certain. I could see 38 TDs for Brady and 26-28 for Manning.

2. Brady would be 42 during the 2019 season, not 43. Moon threw 25 TDs at age 41 so who knows.

I just think it is an interesting thought that Brady could beat Manning in the end in volume stats despite inferior weapons, dome, stat padding, etc. I echo others that it does not matter for Brady to be considered GOAT, as the best win % of all time is a more important regular season stat anyway.

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Well stats will happen and be broken in the future and they are subjective to the kind of football era you played in.

What will always be equally hard though is winning championships and winning games.. Also it is worth comparing how much your contemporaries won around you.

That is what i look at.

If both retired today, no one in their right mind would put Manning over Brady regardless of the stats gap for all the reasons mentioned: Dome vs outdoors, WR's, division, etc. Manning might be the best regular season QB ever, but the Playoffs are where legends are made, and Manning's playoff stats are simply awful. A so called elite QB who has less than a ,500 record should be questioned, not revered. Besides every QB's stats since 2005 should have an asterisk beside it, when the Polian rules came into being.

I wish there was a "who cares" button on this thing

PatsWSB47 said:

Well I don't think anyone ever will pass him in one and dones in the playoffs. That one will never be broken

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XLIX said:

It is actually amazing how many 1-and-dones the guy has. Historically amazing. I bet no one else (or at most, only a very few) have more than half of Manning's historic figure.

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Anyone tell Andy Dalton?

PatsWSB47 said:

Well I don't think anyone ever will pass him in one and dones in the playoffs. That one will never be broken

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Rodgers is a third of the way there.

I hope not. Playoff/SB wins and losses are all that matter to me at this point, and I'm willing to bet Brady feels the same.

robertweathers said:

He over threw some long balls that he usually completes in his sleep. IMO he muscled them and with added, "umph" you loose accuracy.

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Right. That's what he was doing in the last game last year. He was just flinging it up as hard as he could and he was woefully inaccurate.