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Anyone see the CBS post game?

Esiason taking the Phil Simms approach and making excuses. Blaming Kubiak's offense on why Manning looked the way he did. Uh did he not see the only time they got in the red zone is when they went to just pounding the ball?

Also them calling it a defensive battle between top defenses. Those defenses might end up being good but sorry that was far from a defensive battle it was an offensive suck fest.

Boomer picked them to win the Super Bowl this year. He can't admit his Super Bowl pick may be wrong seven hours after making it.
 
Tough day for NE's competition;
  • Suggs is done, TY Hilton has an upcoming knee MRI, and Cromartie has an injury issue.
  • Peyton and Andre Johnson looked old and really off their games.
  • Denver won't win many games the way they played today.
On the other hand Mariota looked terrific.
 
Honestly, even if Manning doesn't do well this year, it wouldn't do much to change how the media sees him. Unlike Brady, who's been endlessly ridiculed and branded a cheater, Peyton has always been the darling child of the NFL. And so people will continue to overlook the repeated failings that have long been evident to us Pats fans.

And I agree with those who say Peyton is past his prime. The only thing that's keeping him in the game is his sense of pride. Perhaps in his mind, he still feels he has something to prove.

I respectfully disagree with you about the only thing that keeps him in the game is his sense of pride, I can think of about 15 millions other ($) reasons. :D
 
Peyton really reminds me of Dan Marino's last season. He had a crappy arm with a Head Coach that really just wanted to run the ball but could not take him out of the line up because of the ownership.
 
Dungy and Rodney made excuses for Manning today. Rodney mocked his arm strength issues because he overthrew Sanders twice deep. But QBs with touch deep ball passes like Manning tend to overthrow receivers deep when they lose arm strength because they start to put far more power behind their deep ball passes to make up for his declining arm strength.
 
He'll probably have some better games this season, but man, he looked bad today.

Looking forward to playing them this year.
 
Little OT but his defense saved him and that last play I honestly thought was face guarding by the bronco defender. I know our guys have been called on that.
 
Anyone see the CBS post game?

Esiason taking the Phil Simms approach and making excuses. Blaming Kubiak's offense on why Manning looked the way he did. Uh did he not see the only time they got in the red zone is when they went to just pounding the ball?

Also them calling it a defensive battle between top defenses. Those defenses might end up being good but sorry that was far from a defensive battle it was an offensive suck fest.

NE will obliterate that Denver defense. We already know they don't have an answer for Edelman and Gronk. They had trouble against Amendola last year too. Lewis looks like a good Vereen replacement who gave them fits last year.

And of course, Brady always does well against Wade Philips.
 
It looked to me (and was noted by the announcers a few times) that he was struggling gripping the ball. Maybe the nerve issue is getting worse? Seemed a couple times the ball kinda floated off his fingers so to speak.
 
He's also going to get people killed throwing those desperation floaters to the flat under pressure. He was also taking a dice any time he felt any sort of pressure.
 
It looked to me (and was noted by the announcers a few times) that he was struggling gripping the ball.
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It looked to me (and was noted by the announcers a few times) that he was struggling gripping the ball. Maybe the nerve issue is getting worse? Seemed a couple times the ball kinda floated off his fingers so to speak.

It was hot there today. Maybe sweaty hands made it hard holding the ball? Just trying to see both sides and not totally blame PM's noodle arm and nerve damage as he has said some days he uses the glove and some days not.
 
It'll be a non-issue.

I've seen the majority of Peyton's pre-season reps this year and it's pretty clear that Kubiac is tailoring his offense to fit Peyton Manning's classic style. 3 WR, 1 TE, 1RB; the vast majority of the time. Same formation; sometimes it's under center sometimes in shotgun, they will flip the strength with the TE or slot. They'll deviate from that standard formation mostly with the 'bunch' formation (3 WRs all clustered together) more than anything. Very basic, classic passing concepts; almost always vertical stems to the routes, so it's pretty tough to read the first few steps of the play.

The running game looks little different than what we've always seen with Peyton, too. I swear practically every run I saw was the stretch play; where the running backing goes slightly off-tackle and can cut-in or cut-out based on how the defense reacts. And this run is constantly used to keep the d-line thinking horizontally at the snap, so it can buy Peyton more time against the pass rush. Thet ran that in Indy non-stop with Edgerin James.

This was never Kubiac's style in Hou, certainly not to this degree. When the season starts; if that offense is going no-huddle, and Peyton is often calling audibles at the line (which I saw last weekend) then it's mostly the same system as we've always seen Peyton run. Maybe some new stuff thrown in, but the bread and butter is what Peyton's been doing his whole career.

BTW - and that was how Elway nabbed Peyton in the first place. He agreed to not put Peyton in a totally different system. As opposed to say, Harbaugh in San Fran, who was west coast offense. So, when Elway hired Kubiac, I'm pretty certain that aspect was made clear; same as it was for John Fox and Mike McCoy when Peyton was first brought on board.

That's been the story for P6 his entire career. The offense has been created for him and every team he goes to must run it. I don't follow college ball, but did the same thing occur for him there?
 
It was hot there today. Maybe sweaty hands made it hard holding the ball? Just trying to see both sides and not totally blame PM's noodle arm and nerve damage as he has said some days he uses the glove and some days not.

He was wearing a glove on his throwing hand. Not sure how sweating hands would make it harder to hold the ball.
 
He was wearing a glove on his throwing hand. Not sure how sweating hands would make it harder to hold the ball.

Yes and if you hand is sweaty you may have difficulty gripping a football...
 
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