Does anyone else feel a setup coming on?

Froob · Sep 11, 2015

robertweathers said:
No iPad! Nothing wrong with basic stuff but I view what the NFL needs on gameday is mission critical.

Surface with dual boot scares me but I do know folks running Ubuntu 15.4 on Surface 3 and they say it's ok.

As I understand it, the issue is the com. Not sure if the hotspot is going down but god if they don't have auto failover or haven't HA'd the hotspot their IT team are a bunch of morons. I think it's a Hz issue. The geek in me really wants to know what the deal is.

I digress....

I have an ASUS all in one touchscreen 6gigs Intel (R) Core (TM) i3-4030u 1.90Ghz. Seems to run pretty well. Just been getting serious with IT lately just got A+ cert. Figure it might be fun to screw around with. Probably give Linux a shot whenever I get around to it lol.....if I get around to it that is college and all

RobertWeathers · Sep 11, 2015

Froob said:
I have an ASUS all in one touchscreen 6gigs Intel (R) Core (TM) i3-4030u 1.90Ghz. Seems to run pretty well. Just been getting serious with IT lately just got A+ cert. Figure it might be fun to screw around with. Probably give Linux a shot whenever I get around to it lol.....if I get around to it that is college and all

Learning any flavor of Linux at an administrative level will add $20-$30k to your base salary out of college.

patriot1136 · Sep 11, 2015

Froob said:
Glad you aren't calling for iPad. Apple convincing people the ideas they stole are inivative lol. I've heard Linux is the best if you know what you're doing. Never tried it myself, I like Windows 10 but thinking about trying a dual boot with Linux.

Wait, can someone explain this? What did Apple do?

Froob · Sep 11, 2015

patriot1136 said:
Wait, can someone explain this? What did Apple do?

Just in general, they bring out stuff like the Apple watch and the iPen and then act like it's initiative when it's been out for a long time. Samsung makes a lot of their parts.

MagicMarker · Sep 11, 2015

I don't think so...I think Deflategate went so badly for everyone, the NFL doesn't really want to go there.

Going back to the ESPN article, it seems like it laid out the whole story very well. The Patriots were videotaping and the rest of the league were sure the Patriots were guilty of all sorts of other things. Absolutely, Deflategate was meant to be a make up call -- Vincent even said prior activity was part of the punishment.

But, I think Deflategate WAS a set up...Not initially. When they saw the balls were down at 11.5 PSI they thought "All right! We got them!". Then, after a few days someone figured out the ideal gas law was the culprit. At that point, they hired Wells (and Exponent) to try to piece a case together. I have no doubt they told Wells what they wanted him to find because if this had been any other team, they would have dropped the whole thing.

The fact the NFL didn't (and still hasn't) let that one go, even after that major screw up leads me to believe they are thinking about this with their heads at all. So, anything is possible. But, the NFL backtracked pretty quickly on this one, so I doubt it.

Deus Irae · Sep 11, 2015

Froob said:
Just in general, they bring out stuff like the Apple watch and the iPen and then act like it's initiative when it's been out for a long time. Samsung makes a lot of their parts.

Samsung has lost a $1billion suit for patent infringement against Apple.

RunAmok · Sep 11, 2015

turkeyneck said:
You could say exactly the same thing about ball inflation and look where we wound up.

From the NFL's own webpage on Gameday Frequency Coordinators:

Southwest Airlines pilots’ conversations, a rehearsal for a concert by Madonna and a food concession worker’s request for more popcorn all have one thing in common: Each has interfered with the frequency that delivers a coach’s play calls to his quarterback.

(AP Photo/Scott Boehm)

Doppler radar from local TV stations and a network’s experiment with using cameras in end zone pylons have interfered with the NFL’s sideline Wi-Fi, which is needed for getting play photos to the Microsoft Surface Pro 2 tablets on each bench.

And it all happened because too many people were trying to communicate using the same channel and frequency during an NFL game.

Nitro · Sep 11, 2015

robertweathers said:
No kidding. Microsoft Surface is POS. Azure has the worst cloud availability of all Public Clouds.

For God's Sake put the whole thing on Red Hat and AWS.

Cant happen, neither will pay the nfl for the honor, and thats what it's all about.

dannydyn · Sep 11, 2015

I find it very interesting to say the least that that the Steelers decided to withdraw their official complaint on this matter....

If I didn't know any better I'd swear the league told the Steelers that the Pats had nothing to do with it, point blank, and they better leave the whole issue 'up in the air', to be judged in the court of public opinion. Otherwise, they have to investigate practically nothing related to the Patriots, which would ultimately result in the exoneration of the Pats. So better... raise hell in the media, threat with a complaint to make things appear very serious, and then 'magically' withdraw the complain.... - That way, the league doesn't have to investigate itself and take the blame for it, and the Pats get smeared with another scandal.

Soul_Survivor88 · Sep 11, 2015

Here it comes....

Bill Flaherty ‏@BHFlaherty 2h2 hours ago
The frequency coordinator for Gillette Stadium says he has a phone meeting today with Mike Kensil VP of Game Ops for the NFL.

RayClay · Sep 11, 2015

A setup coming on? Ha hahahahahahahahahahahha. we're in the middle of it. Fortunately, it's a test of strength and will, and visible live on TV.

Everybody knows...

lurker1965 · Sep 11, 2015

cscirpoli said:
I'm starting to get a bad feeling about the NFL and what the league office is capable of. It's pretty convenient that all of a sudden the first game, the headsets stop working when that was specifically one of the things the "un-named source" article comes out about the Pats. Oh so close to Brady handing the league their ass in court.

I'm going to be interested to see if all of a sudden through the course of the year some of these accusations in the article start popping up as happening during the game. I am starting the get the feeling that the NFL is going to take their pound of flesh and more from the Patriots no matter what they have to do to get it. Even manufacturing incidents that mirror these allegations on their own.

I appreciate and understand the paranoia. (Wrong word, is it "paranoia" when "THEY" really are out to get you?) Warm Gatorade does not concern me.

Mr. Objective · Sep 11, 2015

IcyPatriot said:
In all seriousness ... the interference was between the coaches on field and in the box. I deal a lot with WiFi and Bluetooth in my business operations. The main barriers to clean transmission are metal (highest) followed by plaster and concrete) both high. Bulletproof glass is also high ... not sure if that glass is utilized in thos boxes but I would assume the glass thickness must be very dense. Older buildings are way easier unless it's a new building designed for the wireless age.

Stadiums are not well built for wireless transmissions so what they have to do is maintain wireless bridges in strategic areas. Even then fiddling with IP conflicts is your new issue unless setup properly with minor IP number changes ... the last number in the address. They really should have the coaches box wired directly to the field ... home and away but not both on the same side.

The bridges would be better suited placed on a human who stands right with the coaches. Highest quality wireless bridges with extremely narrow bandwidth channels could then shield away other signals. The headsets are Bose ... so I'm assuming they are of very high quality ... excellent even ... so the problem would come with the bridges or lack thereof ... someone being cheap.

These people know this ... someone is being cheap. On a trip to Gillette this year to watch my son play soccer on the Gillette field we walked through the bowels of the stadium. I was very interested with all the cables running along the steel beams and ceiling. Thought it odd that they all run together. Saw the problem last night and it was the first thing I thought.

Even the best shielded wire will struggle when running alongside powerful electrical cables ... the rf interference must be a massive issue there. I have to be careful just placing high quality audio cable in a drop ceiling ... to close to many electrical wires will cause interference. Kraft needs to spend big money to get that stadium to run smoother in terms of information wires and devices ... it really was not designed well for it ...

I bet Kraft already knows this but is a penny pincher like many rich people. He had them design a very green electric infrastructure when Gillette was built ... should have been designed for optimal performance instead or optimal savings. There are very good reasons why passengers are asked to turn off their cell phones when planes takeoff and land.

Interesting. If it is indeed the case that teams tend to have more communication problems at Gillette than at other stadiums, the explanation might be that Gillette is one of the few NFL stadiums that were built entirely with private funds.

Just as an aside, your comment is an example of how this message board has become the most intellectually challenging fan forum in the world. On what other fan message board do people have to constantly qualify their comments by pointing out that they are “not a lawyer, physicist, chemist, mechanical engineer, meteorologist, or statistician?” I guess we’re going to have to add WiFi engineer or expert to that list. One wonders if, by the time the NFL gets through with all the investigations it’s got planned for the Patriots, most of us are going to have to qualify our comments by pointing out that we are not proctologists.

JoeSixPat · Sep 11, 2015

cscirpoli said:
I'm starting to get a bad feeling about the NFL and what the league office is capable of. It's pretty convenient that all of a sudden the first game, the headsets stop working when that was specifically one of the things the "un-named source" article comes out about the Pats. Oh so close to Brady handing the league their ass in court.

I'm going to be interested to see if all of a sudden through the course of the year some of these accusations in the article start popping up as happening during the game. I am starting the get the feeling that the NFL is going to take their pound of flesh and more from the Patriots no matter what they have to do to get it. Even manufacturing incidents that mirror these allegations on their own.

ABSOLUTELY

We KNOW that Goodell has set up the Patriots before with FrameGate

We KNOW that Goodell has leaked false information intended to make the Patriots look bad

WE KNOW that Goodell currently is trying to change the headlines away from his incompetence and nothing would serve his interests MORE than implying that he was right to suspend Brady even despite the lack of evidence showing footballs were deflated

WE KNOW that Goodell and the NFL have the METHOD, MOTIVE AND MEANS to disrupt the headsets and create ANOTHER fabricated scandal

I'd say it's "more likely than not" that the NFL is behind this entire HeadsetGate controversy and that Goodell has MUCH more than "general awareness" - yet another reason to stay away from Foxboro that night to offer some plausible deniability

Hammer of Thor · Sep 11, 2015

Mr. Objective said:
One wonders if, by the time the NFL gets through with all the investigations it’s got planned for the Patriots, most of us are going to have to qualify our comments by pointing out that we are not proctologists.

IANAL would have a different meaning in that case....

RayClay · Sep 11, 2015

Each accusation doesn't matter. We are a functioning part of a failed state, like Syria. There is no logic, no justification for what comes up, except those processes that will be judged under the laws of the United states of America, over the NFL.

The setup is the atmosphere, it's where we'll play the 2015 season, in the middle of the setup designed to exonerate Goodell.

RayClay · Sep 11, 2015

Not to worry, though. The games are televised live. Regardless of propaganda and deception, it's a child's game we all played without referees, where the strongest and smartest win.

stinkypete · Sep 12, 2015

The setup already happened, in January, at the AFCC game.

venecol · Sep 12, 2015

cscirpoli said:
I'm starting to get a bad feeling about the NFL and what the league office is capable of. It's pretty convenient that all of a sudden the first game, the headsets stop working when that was specifically one of the things the "un-named source" article comes out about the Pats. Oh so close to Brady handing the league their ass in court.

I'm going to be interested to see if all of a sudden through the course of the year some of these accusations in the article start popping up as happening during the game. I am starting the get the feeling that the NFL is going to take their pound of flesh and more from the Patriots no matter what they have to do to get it. Even manufacturing incidents that mirror these allegations on their own.

I'm really concerned that the next one will be about warm Gatorade. How do the Pats defend themselves against that one? Patriots are F**ed this season.

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