Steelers Post Gazette article - let the crying begin

MitchKumstein · Sep 10, 2015

The Steelers won 10 of the first 13 games that they played against the Patriots, and I always wondered how that could possibly have happened.

The only explanation is that the Steelers must have been cheating

shmessy · Sep 10, 2015

bresna said:
I just had a discussion with a Steelers fan about this. My first reply was this:
"Just so you know... the filming of teams defensive signals was legal at the time they're talking about in this article. In fact, it's still legal to film teams defensive signals today, although it wouldn't do a lot of good since they're radioed in now.

The location of the camera has been restricted since a memo was sent out in 2007 and that's what the Patriots were penalized for. That memo wasn't even an official rule change - those have to be voted in by all 32 teams during the off season meeting. So the Patriots were basically punished for failing to properly read a memo."

I followed it up with:
"To your original point - that the Patriots "had the Steelers defensive signals". Let's say that they did. So, they legally filmed the Steelers defensive signals when they played them earlier in the season, and then studied those signals in case they didn't change them for the AFC Championship game. Then, they had a coach watch the Steelers sidelines and if the signals did match up to what they put on the field, they were able to counter every defensive alignment. This means that the Patriots caught the Steelers being stupid. Every team knows that every team tries to figure out their calls. Every team knows this is happening and changes their signals from game to game, especially against the same team they played earlier that season. A team that doesn't do that is just dumb."

Lastly I said this:
"If you want to see another version of a similar story, check out http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2696227

Smart football by the Dolphins. They found a way to gain an advantage. They outsmarted Belichick. And I bet that to this day, the Patriots now change their audible calls for every game."

I haven't heard back again.

You lost him at "Just...."

PatsFanSince74 · Sep 10, 2015

We just have to accept that there are a whole lot of people in this country who won't be satisfied until the Patriots are stripped of their Lombardi's, Belichick is "banned for life," Brady is suspended until he turns 65, the Patriots lose their Draft Picks for rounds 1--5 for ten years and Gillette Stadium is burned to the ground.

It is what it ****ing is and there's nothing meaningful we can do about it in the short term.

Eventually, after Belichick has been retired for a few years, things will calm down and, in about ten years, a reliable history of the witch hunts and nonsense will be written. Until then, just save your psychic energy for things you can control.

TBR · Sep 10, 2015

robertweathers said:
Pitt beat the Pats in 2008 and 2013. They also won in 2004.

Can I say that they cheated as well and stole signals?

Simple fact is that the Pats have had historically better teams that Pitt.

OmG Steelers definitely cheated and stole signals and knew every play that was coming in those games!

They have a history of cheating! From admitting to winning all their SuperBowls in the 70s on steroids to Bill Cowher admitting to also saying he & everyone stole signals! He obviously passed down the tactics to Tomlin for their wins in 2008 and 2013! Once a cheater organization, always a cheater organization!

*obvious satire*

PatsFanSince74 · Sep 10, 2015

shmessy said:
You lost him at "Just...."

I'd put that "He stopped listening at 'Just...,'" but it's the same idea.

OhExaulted1 · Sep 10, 2015

goheels22002 said:
It was almost as if the Patriots knew that the Steelers couldn't cover Aaron Dobson when he scored two touchdowns, including an 81-yard catch. The Steelers must have left a "We Suck Against Shaky 2nd Year Receivers" play sheet in their locker room.

We barely beat them by 24 that game. Had to be cheating.

RobertWeathers · Sep 10, 2015

TBR said:
OmG Steelers definitely cheated and stole signals and knew every play that was coming in those games!

They have a history of cheating! From admitting to winning all their SuperBowls in the 70s on steroids to Bill Cowher admitting to also saying he & everyone stole signals! He obviously passed down the tactics to Tomlin for their wins in 2008 and 2013! Once a cheater organization, always a cheater organization!

*obvious satire*

Tomlin tripping people...If BB did that he would have been suspended.

AQPE · Sep 10, 2015

Mike Webster, Ernie Holmes, Jim Clack, Ray Oldham, Dave Brown, Steve Furness, Joe Gilliam, Ray Mansfield, Theo Bell, John Baker, Leo Nobile, Ron Shanklin, Lowell Perry, Leon Campbell, and Steve Courson were not available for comment.

wolverinejoe80 · Sep 10, 2015

remember that nasty loss against the saints few years back? was that a monday night? we got our ass whooped. saints did everything right. we did everything wrong. it felt like they knew exactly what we were doing.

now i understand. that loss should be *. they were cheating.

Jetssuck · Sep 10, 2015

Don't forget about this part of Steeler history :

The details are sketchy, but [the Steelers Team Doctor] split with the team came approximately four months after news reports identified him as the buyer of a substantial quantity of human growth hormone (HGH) from a Florida pharmacy during several months in 2006. HGH, a performance enhancer banned by the NFL and other major sports leagues, is the supplement of choice for some athletes because it can't be detected by current testing.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/otl/news/story?id=3831956

sevengables_2207 · Sep 10, 2015

wolverinejoe80 said:
remember that nasty loss against the saints few years back? was that a monday night? we got our ass whooped. saints did everything right. we did everything wrong. it felt like they knew exactly what we were doing.

now i understand. that loss should be *. they were cheating.

Furthermore,

How about as recently as last year in KC? They also played a perfect game. Hitherto and thereafter the Chiefs never came close to playing as well as they did on MNF.

They had to have cheated because they did everything right. The fact that they sniffed out the double pass as revealed on "Do Your Job" confirms it.

Silver Blue&Red · Sep 10, 2015

wolverinejoe80 said:
Here we go again
http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/...-old-wounds-for-Steelers/stories/201509100059

go to steelers forum, and they are more bitter than Jets & Colts forum combined. lol

They better get started on another salty thread. They are getting cheated out of win tonight. Boo hoo..... Ha ha

The_Riddler · Sep 10, 2015

Black and Gold, Still Hatin Us Cuz They Ain't Us, oh well........................

Whooped their ass on Hallowed Heinz Field in the biggest of games not once but twice....

reflexblue · Sep 10, 2015

PatsFanSince74 said:
We just have to accept that there are a whole lot of people in this country who won't be satisfied until the Patriots are stripped of their Lombardi's, Belichick is "banned for life," Brady is suspended until he turns 65, the Patriots lose their Draft Picks for rounds 1--5 for ten years and Gillette Stadium is burned to the ground.

It is what it ****ing is and there's nothing meaningful we can do about it in the short term.

Eventually, after Belichick has been retired for a few years, things will calm down and, in about ten years, a reliable history of the witch hunts and nonsense will be written. Until then, just save your psychic energy for things you can control.

This is the way i see it. After about ten or fifteen years everything will come out and brady,bb and the team will be exonerated. Goodell, his cronies, and the owners who backed this will be exposed.

Pats-Phan · Sep 10, 2015

my stance with the haters is just to be an abrasive a hole. some people cant be reasoned with.

PATS16N0 · Sep 10, 2015

I don't need exoneration from losers.

They can kiss the rings and Brady's ass.

Ice_Ice_Brady · Sep 10, 2015

Pats-Phan said:
my stance with the haters is just to be an abrasive a hole. some people cant be reasoned with.

Last year I went to San Diego for a Chargers game. I sat in my seat and the lady next to me saw I was wearing a Patriots jersey and flat out said "Oh, if I'd known you'd be sitting here, I would have gotten a different seat." She continued to be rude and went out of her way to be extra obnoxious as the Chargers built a lead. I didn't say much, since that's not what I do. I just waved goodbye to her and laughed when she stormed out of the stadium after Edelman broke away with his long TD to seal the game.

Ice_Ice_Brady · Sep 10, 2015

List of things the Patriots did to win the 2005-05 AFCCG in Pittsburgh:

-Used videotape from previous meeting to decode all signals in real-time to know what was coming on BOTH offense AND defense
-Jammed radio communications in Pittsburgh's own stadium
-Stole Steelers playbook in Pittsburgh's own stadium by knocking security guards unconscious
-Deflated footballs in a secret bathroom that they installed at Heinz Field

Did I miss any?

TriplecHamp · Sep 10, 2015

Maybe **** LeBeau was amongst the most predictably stubborn DC's in football. There is a reason Brady has shredded those D's pre and post spygate.

2) The Jets cheated 2 months after the 45-3 game. Amazing the adjustments they made in a couple of months. Of course I have no evidence of this but apparently thats not a disqualifier.

jv320i · Sep 10, 2015

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