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If I remember correctly, there's a high school team in the southwest in a predominantly Native American area that uses the same name for its sports teams. It seems the only people bothered by the term are social justice warriors with way too much time on their hands.
The campaign against the nickname of "Redskins" got me thinking about "Fighting Irish." So I went to a Notre Dame website which described the origins of the name (http://www.und.com/trads/nd-m-fb-name.html) . The site said, "The term likely began as an abusive expression tauntingly directed toward the athletes from the small, private, Catholic institution."
The meanings of words change. "Redskins" began as a pejorative, but to the vast majority of 21st century Americans, it just means a football team - and not a very good one. The poverty of modern liberalism is displayed by its concentration on boutique issues like changing the name of a professional football team, when much more serious issues, including the economic conditions of Native Americans, are pushed into the background.
 
He said caucus hehehe :D
 
screw reid, jerk
 
left/right agree that this was ******** to begin with!
 
Awesome, another political thread.
 
If I remember correctly, there's a high school team in the southwest in a predominantly Native American area that uses the same name for its sports teams. It seems the only people bothered by the term are social justice warriors with way too much time on their hands.

I totally agree. The team you are thinking of is the Carlisle Red Skins. There is a radiolab audio only podcast that is worth a listen. The first half hour is Sally Jenkins (yes our Sally Jenkins) talking about the origins of football and the Carlisle school in particular. The stories about Pop Warner (he was the coach for Carlisle) are hilarious. After they start talking about concussions, it gets old. First 30-40 minutes is gold.

http://www.radiolab.org/story/football/
 
I work in "Indian Country." I work with Indians every day. I know A LOT of Indians who are Redskins fans because of the name!!! I know A LOT more Indians who don't care about the name than have a problem with it. The Chippewa Cree Tribe of the Rocky Boy's Reservation has a van donated to them by the Washington Redskins that their rodeo team uses. The van has the Redskins name and logo plastered all over it. And the rodeo team LOVES it!!! Also, on the Navajo Rez there is a high school whose nickname is "Redskins." I could go on and on, but I'll spare y'all...

(BTW... I am NOT a fan of PC keyboard-SJW's.)
 
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"Redskin" is also a variety of potato. Should we find some other name for such taters?

Or maybe we should start calling Dan Snyder's franchise the Washington Spuds?
 
There are three schools of thought here:

  1. some Native Americans don't care
  2. some find the name to be racist
  3. some believe the Washington football team to be an embarrassment that they would rather not be associated with.

I don't think anyone should have an issue with the third group, but that's just me.
 
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Or maybe we should start calling Dan Snyder's franchise the Washington Spuds?

It would be more accurate.

I hope everyone here realizes that when a Senator or Congressperson goes off on an issue that isn't directly related to their home state, it is probably because a staffer cares about the issue and got it inserted into the text, either for personal or political (reelection) issues.
 
mentioning skin color doesn't seem like a great idea to me....just my 2 cents.
 
Just as with Trump speaking about supporting Brady, the senate minority leader saying what he said about the NFL is a good thing. His/their politics are irrelevant as it pertains to the truth about the NFL getting out. Every person of heavy political or media stature that makes statements like this can cause a ripple in the office of Goodell. That is a good thing regardless of whether you think Reid is a boob (or Trump is a loon).

As mentioned by me and others before, this is an issue much bigger than Brady or BB or Patriots thing (they've got the brunt but they are not alone). This is about the NFL as a very powerful entity acting appallingly. And how, ultimately, when financial and media power is concentrated in the hands of a group that never gets called to answer for acting appallingly, we are all in a remote section of an excrement filled waterway without any means of propulsion.

Excluding politics, where financial/media power is routinely and openly focused toward 'shafting' someone or something, can anyone provide an example of a powerful financial and media entity using its power in such a public way to shaft someone or something? From my POV the NFL is clearly the most out of control among that small group of powerful money/media entities. So while I detest politics getting involved with business -- two words: Arlen Spectre -- unfortunately there may be no other way to reign them in (a self correct would be best but that must come from the group of 32 -- a group whose majority appears to be on board with how Goodell and his office acts).
 
wow...such hue and cry!!! passions are stirred over the name "Redskins"....I can only wonder what would happen if they named a team the Peckerwoods...or even worse...the Rednecks....

y'all better change that thar "Rednecks" to the "Robert E. Lees" or else, you commie pinko leftist limpwristers!...O Dee Camptown Ladies Two By Two...Doo Dah Doo Dah...
 
Highly sensitive "Native Americans" have announced that the term "Red Sox" is highly offensive insisting the team rename itself the scarlet hose. In light of the last two years of performance, the suggestion has merit.
 
They should compromise and rename the team the Foreskins. Perfectly suitable for a team in DC.
 
(Allow me to preface my post with the following: I'm beyond tired but figured I'd chime in before going to sleep. Any misspellings, rambling(s), etc... please forgive them).

Here's my take on the "redskin" situation:

We've become accustomed to hearing it used in a harmless manner. We're desensitized, interpreting it's use in an entirely different context that what the word objectively means.

Do I, in the context it's used, think the term "redskin" is offensive? No. Not at all. However, that doesn't change the fact that the term, objectively, is a racist slur. Furthermore, it doesn't change the fact that many Native Americans find the term offensive. Do plenty of others not find it offensive? Yes. But many do, and this has to be considered should we practice some form of decency.

Suppose we take the slur "beaner" and applied it to a new franchise forming today. I tend to think that decision would be ridiculed given the offensiveness of that word. Now, if the team name stood, and over time was accepted and normalized, I believe stances would change. We'd view the team name as historical, and given its context, many of the arguments we hear today (with regard to the Redskins) would remain the same -- it's not meant to be offensive, it's merely a team's name. Does that ultimately change the fact that the word, by itself, is a racial slur? No. The same applies for the term "redskin", or any other slur for that matter.

The question I'd ultimately ask is this: would you feel comfortable calling a Native American a "redskin" to their face? I doubt many would answer 'yes' to this question, and I feel that is telling.

While the word in this context (team name) is harmless and benign in my opinion, it's ultimate, fundamental meaning is incredibly offensive to a group of people. While many Native Americans look at the context the word is being used in and are able to move beyond taking offense, many are not, and we cannot blame them for that. They look to the fundamental, objective meaning of the word and see it as offensive and upsetting. While one may not agree with their inclinations, I feel we should employ some empathy, put ourselves in their shoes and understand why they may be offended, and ultimately, see about taking this term out of the NFL.

Just my two cents.

That said, I think there are plenty of reasonable takes on the matter and I appreciate the majority of views offered thus far in the thread -- been a fairly pleasant read. Lots of civil discussion over a touchy topic. At the end of the day, I have a hard time telling a group of people what they should and shouldn't find offensive. I can't think of anything more arrogant and condescending than that.
 
think of it as a racist term instead of "political correctness." Racism has no place in the sport.
I disagree....and that's what makes our nation great
 
think of it as a racist term instead of "political correctness." Racism has no place in the sport.

I disagree....and that's what makes our nation great

"Racism has no place in the sport." You disagree with that?? So you believe racism has a place in this sport.

Mondo bizarro....
 
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