Is Peyton toast?

I think I may be in the minority on this one but I think he'll bounce back and have another quality season (that will end in his trademark one and done). I think he's a lot better than how he played late in the season and in the playoffs vs the Colts. Had some sort of shoulder injury or something as I recall.

He'll put up some great passing numbers until Halloween. His coach will call the run, but he'll Omaha his way out of it. This winter, some random team that is more physically and mentally strong like the Steelers or the Ravens will eliminate Denver from the playoffs.

I think he's done as a feared opponent. He is not done if you just look at the stats, since he'll do great on paper for the first half of the season.

I think he will be better than he was at the end of last year (at least to start the season), but I think he will just be an average QB. I think not only does he not have the arm strength anymore (he throws the ball like a shot putt), but Kubiak's offense is horrible for him. Peyton was always a guy who was a rhythm thrower and loved to throw out of the shotgun so he could read the defense better and make quicker decisions. Kubiak is a run first guy who loves to have his QB to line up under center. Also, their o-line is a mess even with the addition of Evan Mathis.

Froob said:

I think I may be in the minority on this one but I think he'll bounce back and have another quality season (that will end in his trademark one and done). I think he's a lot better than how he played late in the season and in the playoffs vs the Colts. Had some sort of shoulder injury or something as I recall.

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The arm strength issue is definitely there (he seems to be offering a variety of excuses already). Against a lousy Colts D, he was forced to throw outside and was taken apart. Other teams will force that as well.

With that said, a degraded Manning is still better than most of the active QBs. Good enough to make the playoffs, but not good enough to go anywhere. The odds are just higher that he cannot even beat the 1st round playoff team. At what point degraded becomes 'sucking' with him is the big question.

Scary thing is other than Mr. Favre, age 38 is usually the top end for a QB being effective. Here's hoping #12 is an exception.

I'm reluctant to call anyone done before the season even starts but I don't think he can go all the way anymore. Our bigger concerns in the AFC are Baltimore, our division and a team with potential realizing it like San Diego.

I don't wrote HOFers off. Things didn't look good late in the year last year but if it was just health he could be ok.

Booked a trip to Denver this year for when we play them so hopefully he still going.

Rob0729 said:

I think he will be better than he was at the end of last year (at least to start the season), but I think he will just be an average QB. I think not only does he not have the arm strength anymore (he throws the ball like a shot putt), but Kubiak's offense is horrible for him. Peyton was always a guy who was a rhythm thrower and loved to throw out of the shotgun so he could read the defense better and make quicker decisions. Kubiak is a run first guy who loves to have his QB to line up under center. Also, their o-line is a mess even with the addition of Evan Mathis.

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Yeah I think that was a pretty dumb hire. CJ Anderson has a chance to explode but Peyton isn't the mobile QB the Kubiak/Shanny offense usually goes for. Probably would have liked Kaepernick had he gone to San Fran. Kubiak is just a very mediocre coach. Even when Houston was doing well I never thought anybody was winning anything with Schaub or Kubiak let alone both. Firing Fox was a pretty numb decision. Fox wasn't great, but he was a good coach. I think it was a good hire for Chicago.

I don't know, I haven't seen him play but I have read that he hasn't looked great. I feel like he's saving something for the season, but I doubt he's effective the whole way through.

He needs his receivers to do most of the work for him. His long bombs are more like long goodyear blimps. He'll have a decent/good season but this is his last year, IMO. Retires at the end of the season.

He's done. He was under throwing receivers in the pre season and has to rely on yac and pick/ crossing routes. He goes deep it's a win for the defense

Another year of contributing to his receivers' future brain damage, one late lob pass at a time

Hopefully we play them in the playoffs. It'll be like a bye week for us.

not toast, but maybe he's an english muffin

Froob said:

I think I may be in the minority on this one but I think he'll bounce back and have another quality season (that will end in his trademark one and done). I think he's a lot better than how he played late in the season and in the playoffs vs the Colts. Had some sort of shoulder injury or something as I recall.

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farn said:

He'll put up some great passing numbers until Halloween.

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Unless he had the quickest falling regression from Pro Bowler to **** (about 6-8 weeks) in the history of all sports, I'd say that he probably suffered from some type of injury.

He's obviously not as good as he once was, but the guy threw like 80 TD passes in a season and a half span, then suddenly spiraled downward over the last six games.

People are suddenly acting like he's toast because he lost in the playoffs. Apparently, they haven't been paying attention for the past 15 years.

Brock Osweiler might be better at this point. I would not be surprised if peyton is benched at some point.

Rob0729 said:

I think he will be better than he was at the end of last year (at least to start the season), but I think he will just be an average QB. I think not only does he not have the arm strength anymore (he throws the ball like a shot putt), but Kubiak's offense is horrible for him. Peyton was always a guy who was a rhythm thrower and loved to throw out of the shotgun so he could read the defense better and make quicker decisions. Kubiak is a run first guy who loves to have his QB to line up under center. Also, their o-line is a mess even with the addition of Evan Mathis.

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It'll be a non-issue.

I've seen the majority of Peyton's pre-season reps this year and it's pretty clear that Kubiac is tailoring his offense to fit Peyton Manning's classic style. 3 WR, 1 TE, 1RB; the vast majority of the time. Same formation; sometimes it's under center sometimes in shotgun, they will flip the strength with the TE or slot. They'll deviate from that standard formation mostly with the 'bunch' formation (3 WRs all clustered together) more than anything. Very basic, classic passing concepts; almost always vertical stems to the routes, so it's pretty tough to read the first few steps of the play.

The running game looks little different than what we've always seen with Peyton, too. I swear practically every run I saw was the stretch play; where the running backing goes slightly off-tackle and can cut-in or cut-out based on how the defense reacts. And this run is constantly used to keep the d-line thinking horizontally at the snap, so it can buy Peyton more time against the pass rush. Thet ran that in Indy non-stop with Edgerin James.

This was never Kubiac's style in Hou, certainly not to this degree. When the season starts; if that offense is going no-huddle, and Peyton is often calling audibles at the line (which I saw last weekend) then it's mostly the same system as we've always seen Peyton run. Maybe some new stuff thrown in, but the bread and butter is what Peyton's been doing his whole career.

BTW - and that was how Elway nabbed Peyton in the first place. He agreed to not put Peyton in a totally different system. As opposed to say, Harbaugh in San Fran, who was west coast offense. So, when Elway hired Kubiac, I'm pretty certain that aspect was made clear; same as it was for John Fox and Mike McCoy when Peyton was first brought on board.

Broncos fans are worried about him being in their new offensive system, but I think he'll do what he usually does -- put up big numbers in regular season, get to the playoffs, then be one-and-done.

But I'd LOVE to be wrong. About him putting up big numbers and getting to the playoffs, I mean. Regardless of what happens, I think it's a wrap for him. This is the last hurrah. Then he can go advertise for Papa Johns and Buick full-time or something.

Shockt327 said:

It'll be a non-issue.

I've seen the majority of Peyton's pre-season reps this year and it's pretty clear that Kubiac is tailoring his offense to fit Peyton Manning's classic style. 3 WR, 1 TE, 1RB; the vast majority of the time. Same formation; sometimes it's under center sometimes in shotgun, they will flip the strength with the TE or slot. They'll deviate from that standard formation mostly with the 'bunch' formation (3 WRs all clustered together) more than anything. Very basic, classic passing concepts; almost always vertical stems to the routes, so it's pretty tough to read the first few steps of the play.

The running game looks little different than what we've always seen with Peyton, too. I swear practically every run I saw was the stretch play; where the running backing goes slightly off-tackle and can cut-in or cut-out based on how the defense reacts. And this run is constantly used to keep the d-line thinking horizontally at the snap, so it can buy Peyton more time against the pass rush. Thet ran that in Indy non-stop with Edgerin James.

This was never Kubiac's style in Hou, certainly not to this degree. When the season starts; if that offense is going no-huddle, and Peyton is often calling audibles at the line (which I saw last weekend) then it's mostly the same system as we've always seen Peyton run. Maybe some new stuff thrown in, but the bread and butter is what Peyton's been doing his whole career.

BTW - and that was how Elway nabbed Peyton in the first place. He agreed to not put Peyton in a totally different system. As opposed to say, Harbaugh in San Fran, who was west coast offense. So, when Elway hired Kubiac, I'm pretty certain that aspect was made clear; same as it was for John Fox and Mike McCoy when Peyton was first brought on board.

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Kubiak's offenses are known for being simple to learn. That appeals to me because as a D, if you've done your homework, you're going to be beaten by talent not scheme.

supafly said:

People are suddenly acting like he's toast because he lost in the playoffs. Apparently, they haven't been paying attention for the past 15 years.

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That's not why. He loses in the playoffs all the time. It's because he's coming off of an injury, says he can't feel his fingertips anymore, needs rest every now and then because of old age, and is losing arm strength every year.