NFL owners to discuss changing Goodell's role in disciplinary process

Ice_Ice_Brady · Sep 4, 2015

Let's remember: no product or business stays on top forever. Wait until for some reason the NFL starts getting profits that are under expectations. No one gets fired during times of prosperity, but you can be sure this a-hole is a marked man.

Ice_Ice_Brady · Sep 4, 2015

Dan Wetzel's article was really impressive, the way he captured this entire fiasco. Basically, like so many seemingly invincible, power drunk leaders, Goodell's downfall will be from his greed and arrogance. He had the Patriots beat when Kraft bowed out, a smear campaign coming to fruition. Wetzel pointed out that had he just ended it then and done the right thing, he would have been hailed, all of his lies covered up, and his role as disciplinarian would finally be praised. BUT...he just needed to go after Brady...he just couldn't help himself, and as Wetzel concluded, he will forever and ever regret that decision.

Amazing to think that our biggest fantasy is coming true: Goodell may actually be neutered over this.

wizwor · Sep 4, 2015

TheBostonStraggler said:
Goodell might have been the catalyst/genesis, however and unfortunately, I suspect the cat is now out of the bag. The next commissioner will inherit a culture and employees who were enthusiastically part of King Goodell's crusades into the holy land. The next commissioner will also inherit some owners who "liked the cut of Goodell's jib".

I think you are wrong. If this is the end of the Goodell era, then his replacement will be charged with righting the ship. I suspect Goodell will be joined by his posse on the unemployment line.

RobertWeathers · Sep 4, 2015

How about they discuss changing his role with the NFL?

RayClay · Sep 4, 2015

Ice_Ice_Brady said:
Let's remember: no product or business stays on top forever. Wait until for some reason the NFL starts getting profits that are under expectations. No one gets fired during times of prosperity, but you can be sure this a-hole is a marked man.

Well put. He screwed the guy who was making him look good, now his naked incompetence is all that's left.

FirstAndGoal · Sep 4, 2015

raduray said:
What is the downside for the NFL for using neutral arbiters? It would bring bring peace to the relations with the union and it will insulated them from blame for unpopular decisions.

Simple. They're not interested in fairness they're interested in controlling the dialog. If that isn't clear after Brady, I'm not sure I could clarify.

The downside is they have to be fair. They basically made their case on "we don't have to be fair and we don't have to give good reasons".

You really think they want peaceful relations? Is that why they're continuing their full court press to overturn this?

fnordcircle · Sep 4, 2015

Has there ever been a more universally reviled person than Goodell?

I'm not talking sports people I mean, like, people in general. Even Hitler had support at home and I mean that without trying to draw an absurd comparison.

I don't know a single person who has anything good to say about Goodell and I've not read anyone saying anything positive about him on the internet...ever.

RayClay · Sep 4, 2015

Pol Pot had his detractors...

VJCPatriot · Sep 4, 2015

Read the comments below by Falcon's owner Arthur Blank. I hope that if Blank suggests in the next owner's meeting that they need to revamp how player discipline is handled, ie remove the Commissioner from the arbitration process so he doesn't get constantly embarrassed, that Kraft is a 100% supporter and gets the other owners on board. Otherwise he's a hypocrite. There's already one owner speaking out about a need for change.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...might-be-time-to-look-at-commissioners-power/

Goodell can't be judge, jury, and executioner. It has become evident that he is incompetent to handle that much power. He just doesn't have the legal chops, integrity, or trust to do it without being challenged in federal court, where he tends to lose badly. The NFL can save itself alot of embarrassment and money by delegating arbitration duties to a neutral 3rd party who actually has a law degree and understands proper due process.

Bobsyouruncle · Sep 4, 2015

IntentionalSafety said:
I still think it's absurd that a case about alleged deflation of balls that may not have happened is what brought us to a point that the owners are reconsidering the disciplinary process, and not the case where Roger Goodell shirked on crystal clear spousal abuse in the Rice case. I guess all it took was Roger railroading TB all the way to a court of law and actually, brazenly, telling the court that it had no business legislating on the NFL.

The parallel with the Rice case is the opposite though. Goodell got overturned for the same reason he got overturned in Brady.

He applied a harsh punishment without notice. And he did it for the same reason, because it was popular. Everybody hated Rice, just like everybody hates the Patriots and his punishments were wildly popular.

The "downside" to having a fair process is that we can't burn people when the mob gets angry, even if we think they should burn.

cmasspatsfan · Sep 4, 2015

VJCPatriot said:
Read the comments below by Falcon's owner Arthur Blank. I hope that if Blank suggests in the next owner's meeting that they need to revamp how player discipline is handled, ie remove the Commissioner from the arbitration process so he doesn't get constantly embarrassed, that Kraft is a 100% supporter and gets the other owners on board. Otherwise he's a hypocrite. There's already one owner speaking out about a need for change.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...might-be-time-to-look-at-commissioners-power/

Goodell can't be judge, jury, and executioner. It has become evident that he is incompetent to handle that much power. He just doesn't have the legal chops, integrity, or trust to do it without being challenged in federal court, where he tends to lose badly. The NFL can save itself alot of embarrassment and money by delegating arbitration duties to a neutral 3rd party who actually has a law degree and understands proper due process.

Jonathan Kraft is taking the lead on this, he finally has some owners supporting him.

XLIX · Sep 4, 2015

The owners don't want to cede any power to the players, but what good is the current structure when you keep losing in court? Taking away Goodell's disciplinary authority is clearly the right move (actually, firing him is the right move but I just don't see that in the realm of possibility at this time). Ownership should not be afraid of fair and impartial arbitrators.

RecoveringCowboy · Sep 4, 2015

As Churchill might say: "It's not the beginning of the end, but it's the end of the beginning."

Hammer of Thor · Sep 4, 2015

This is all well and good. That said, ownership should also take this opportunity to revise their own constitution to allow the opportunity to appeal team discipline to a real, independent arbitrator rather than His AssHoliness. One team has no recourse right now if it feels the other 31 teams plus the league office is out to get them. Happened here, happened to the Saints, happened to the Cowboys and Redskins with their salary cap penalties.

This is needed to ensure that Goodell and any successors never pull this kind of Mort again regarding our lost draft picks.

AzPatsFan · Sep 4, 2015

KDPPatsfan85 said:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ls-role-in-disciplinary-process/?tid=sm_tw_ps

They should just fire him and get it over with.

One step at a time. It begins...

AzPatsFan · Sep 4, 2015

RecoveringCowboy said:
As Churchill might say: "It's not the beginning of the end, but it's the end of the beginning."

Perfect...

AzPatsFan · Sep 4, 2015

VJCPatriot said:
Read the comments below by Falcon's owner Arthur Blank. I hope that if Blank suggests in the next owner's meeting that they need to revamp how player discipline is handled, ie remove the Commissioner from the arbitration process so he doesn't get constantly embarrassed, that Kraft is a 100% supporter and gets the other owners on board. Otherwise he's a hypocrite. There's already one owner speaking out about a need for change.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...might-be-time-to-look-at-commissioners-power/

Goodell can't be judge, jury, and executioner. It has become evident that he is incompetent to handle that much power. He just doesn't have the legal chops, integrity, or trust to do it without being challenged in federal court, where he tends to lose badly. The NFL can save itself alot of embarrassment and money by delegating arbitration duties to a neutral 3rd party who actually has a law degree and understands proper due process.

The last couple of successful Commissioners, Tagliabue and Rozelle, could do that and be respected by both the Players and Owners. Tagliabue was recommended by the players to unravel the mess Goodell made of Bountygate. And he did.

A Commissioner needs too respect all sides,have a sense of proportion, common sense and a judicial temperment. Good Commissioners, Rozzele and Taglaibue did well, Goodell is simply suitable or competent to do so.

It shows that it's the Commissioner in the suit, not the Commissioner's rules, Article 46, or whatever.

Deus Irae · Sep 4, 2015

Florio brings the heat:

"The NFL has earned the inherent lack of trust since 2012, from: (1) imposing cap penalties on Dallas and Washington for contracts executed in the uncapped year that were approved when filed to (2) trumping up “bounty” charges against the Saints based on players getting a modest amount of cash for the application of clean, legal hits that they already had an incentive to apply to (3) ignoring the fact that other teams had been using “bounties” for years (including teams coached by former Saints defensive coordinator Gregg Williams, the mastermind of the bounty scandal) to (4) hiring an outside lawyer to provide the patina of legitimacy to an investigation which found in part that Anthony Hargrove shouted “Bobby, give me my money!” when closer inspection of the audio and video is conclusive at best to (5) a second suspension of Ray Rice that clearly violated his rights under the CBA to (6) the manipulation of league policies to keep Adrian Peterson off the field for the 2014 stretch run against the Vikings because someone apparently had decided in September that Peterson wouldn’t be playing again this year to (7) the sudden abandonment of a 95-year history of not paying any attention to the air pressure in footballs in the apparent hopes of catching the Patriots cheating to (8) the complete lack of any understanding that the air pressure in footballs decreases on cold days to (9) the leak of grossly false air-pressure information to a pair of prominent journalists in order to create a national presumption of cheating to (10) the failure to correct that blatantly false information to (11) the hiring of a lawyer for an “independent” investigation that clearly wasn’t independent to (12) the review of the “independent” investigator’s report by the league’s general counsel to (13) the refusal to make the league’s general counsel answer questions about his role to (14) suspending Tom Brady for “general awareness” of an equipment violation, in violation of the CBA and the “law of the shop” to (15) expressing righteous indignation over Brady “destroying” his phone in the hopes of swaying public opinion against him to (16) attempting to suspend Brady for obstructing an investigation even though no player had ever been suspended for obstructing an investigation, the findings and conclusions of the league office as currently constructed on matters of discipline cannot be accepted at face value."

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ffice-must-find-a-way-to-restore-credibility/

KDPPatsfan85 · Sep 4, 2015

RayClay said:
19-24 owners. Might take a while, but eventually he'll go. He won't change and he's killing the league, which means $$$, which is the only thing all owners understand.

All the cable outlets are going to be looking to renegotiate, because somebody signed them to contracts that are going to kill them. Do you think dunderhead can handle that?

Also, every player in the league with a beef will appeal or sue now. Cracks in the armor.

Joseph K. Brady · Sep 4, 2015

SammyBlueCat said:
SEND HIM TO THE LIONS!!! (real ones not Detroit.)[/QUOT]

No, DO send him to Detroit...

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