The "skated on technicalities talking point"

RunAmok said:

What I say is "The first truly informed and unbiased person in this fiasco that got to make a decision found that the NFL lied, deprived a player of any rights/due process and could not answer basic questions."

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Or to simplify, "tell it to the judge".

The point of this thread is share ideas (and I've already seen better ones than my own in the OP) about how to distinguish between:

• The law says that guilty people shouldn't always be punished. So be it.
• Brady actually was innocent.

A complication is that one has little hope of convincing anybody unless they accept BOTH the arguments:

1. There's very little that should be construed as evidence of guilt.
2. There's affirmative evidence of innocence.

One mistake is to oversell the Ideal Gas Law as being a simple proof for #2. It isn't really, because it talks about equilibrium, and the balls weren't at equilibrium. More sophisticated arguments are needed instead.

The lazy attention span plays in our favor for once.

You know how you have to explain spy gate as a rule about where they taped from, but nobody's listening and they just say the Patriots were punished? People don't care about the technicalities for the most part.

As far as most people are concerned Brady was found innocent by a judge. It's not really correct but now the other side has to argue legal points that nobody is listening to. Enjoy it. Embrace it.

Brady was found innocent by a NY judge*

*close enough

TB_Helmet said:

The haters aren't going to believe anything and will absolutely say that Brady went free because of the process, but will also say that he still cheated.

The only thing that has a chance of shutting them up will be when they announce halftime PSI measurements in cold weather games this season, and all the footballs look like the Patriots footballs in the AFC title game.

I don't have full confidence that the NFL will be truthful about those measurements, but they can't keep those under wraps forever. Hopefully when it is shown that every football loses pressure naturally in cold weather, the media will pick it up, and the 'technicality' argument goes out the window.

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letekro said:

I can't wait until the NFL starts "randomly" testing PSI at halftime. If they don't just outright fabricate the results, they will wait until the 14 min. mark of halftime to measure PSI, so the pressure will have the maximum time to equalize.

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Unfortunately, from what I have read that exercise has already been set up to make the Patriots look bad.

From what I understand footballs will be brought back inside and (after a few commercial breaks, etc. - i.e., after the footballs have been allowed to sit and warm to room temperature) they will then be measured.

In other words, a fraudulent test - since they won't be measured outdoors at field temperature.

Anyone still arguing that the Pats and Brady did anything wrong must now explain themselves. And frankly, due to this ruling, they cannot start with the Wells report, which now has been shown to be biased, full of factual errors, loaded with innuendo and flat out lies, and was dricen by and edited by the NFL, not an independent source. And lest we forget, the NFL leaked false information about the PSI of the footballs, refused to share the correct information even when it was causing a firestorm, and then when they DID tell the Pats the real numbers, did so on the condition that the Pats couldn't share those numbers with anyone, especially the public.

Now, with those facts having been determined by a federal judge, the Wells report cannot be used as the basis for an argument against Brady. So how is anyone going to establish that anything was done wrong?

They are going to go back to McNally's bathroom visit, which nobody denies, and Brady "destroying" his phone, and the Pats accepting the penalty and suspending Jastremski and McNally.

That's it. That's the entire case against the Pats and Brady now. You can't even use the texts because (a) the Pats offered an alternative explanation for them, (b) the parties involved, every time they were questioned (including under oath), flat out denied that they did anything wrong, and (c) Berman determined that the "deflator" text had nothing to do with the AFCCG.

So the onus is on them to explain what happened and the ammo they have to work with is pretty tiny indeed.

Bobsyouruncle said:

The lazy attention span plays in our favor for once.

You know how you have to explain spy gate as a rule about where they taped from, but nobody's listening and they just say the Patriots were punished? People don't care about the technicalities for the most part.

As far as most people are concerned Brady was found innocent by a judge. It's not really correct but now the other side has to argue legal points that nobody is listening to. Enjoy it. Embrace it.

Brady was found innocent by a NY judge*

*close enough

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Good points. A federal court in New York, a court the NFL chose, found the NFL guilty of lying and deceiving and cheating Brady from basic fundamental fairness. Brady was cleared and will play.

That's all you need to say.

aluminum seats said:

OK, I made the mistake of visiting a couple of other fan boards...Jets, Ravens. Thought it might be fun, and on some level it is...sort of like confused puppies biting each others' tails. But mostly just sad. What's particularly funny is how someone will say something wrong, but that will serve as the basis for other posters to use as a fact, and add to, etc. etc. All of that leads to gems like this on the Ravens' site:

"Does the league have the power to strip the Patriots of the AFC Title and or Super Bowl due to the fact that the judge acknowledged Brady knowingly cheating? "

...after another poster said that Berman "acknowledged Brady cheated." And on it goes.

Look, this board has its share of knuckleheads too I'm sure, but I honestly see a higher level of IQ here than I do on other boards. (Really. And to show I THINK I'm impartial, from what I've seen, the Saints' fans are actually pretty sharp, and the Chargers are about the worst. Well, the Jets and the Ravens are pretty awful too).

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I live in the Washington DC area, and not too far from Baltimore. Lets just say Baltimore is turd of a city. It's one of those places I avoid at all costs, so seeing Ravens fans say such ignorant things comes as no surprise what so ever. Baltimore isn't known for its intellectuals.

Just wanted to say congrats fellas!

About the "technicalities" argument... well if ya go looking for it, always gonna find complainers. F### 'em.

Musta sucked winning the SB and then instead of enjoying it, ya had to deal with all this BS. So cheers on the well deserved win. Enjoy it. I know I would.

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Now when the Jets win the division, there's no excuse.

Oct 25th can't come soon enough.

trolls be trollin'

because as geico says --- that's what they do
(it's geico, right?)

eom said:

trolls be trollin'

because as geico says --- that's what they do
(it's geico, right?)

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No trollin. I'm happy it's over and I'll actually be rooting for Brady to light it up vs the Steelers.

After that though, it'll be back to "Brady sucks". Have to. It's in my blood.

JetFan79 said:

Just wanted to say congrats fellas!

About the "technicalities" argument... well if ya go looking for it, always gonna find complainers. F### 'em.

Musta sucked winning the SB and then instead of enjoying it, ya had to deal with all this BS. So cheers on the well deserved win. Enjoy it. I know I would.

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Now when the Jets win the division, there's no excuse.

Oct 25th can't come soon enough.

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How many Jets fans are as sensible as you? (Except in your football optimism, of course, but that blind spot is forgivable. )

Must be nice to have that new fangled gadget, "Commish In The Pocket", eh Rat fan?

Fencer said:

How many Jets fans are as sensible as you? (Except in your football optimism, of course, but that blind spot is forgivable. )

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I'll plead the 5th on that question. If that'll work for not incriminating my fellow Jet fans. (Yeah, most aren't happy.)

Joker said:

Must be nice to have that new fangled gadget, "Commish In The Pocket", eh Rat fan?

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Eh dude sucks. He promised us he'd knock the Pats down. And now look, if anything all he did was piss 'em off.

Time for a replacement. We're already working on it.

Technicality: Evidence had to be turned in by 6:00 pm, but wasn't turned in until 6:05 pm.

Not a technicality: Prosecution hid witnesses, refused to turn over evidence, willfully lied, and was in obvious cahoots with the judge.

Deus Irae said:

Technicality: Evidence had to be turned in by 6:00 pm, but wasn't turned in until 6:05 pm.

Not a technicality: Prosecution hid witnesses, refused to turn over evidence, willfully lied, and was in obvious cahoots with the judge.

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It is definitively NOT the case that those who found Brady guilty were both competent and fair-minded.

I love this

Matt ChathamVerified account‏@chatham58
When we stopped burnin' witches in Massachusetts, it didn't mean they weren't witches -it was just about "process" #Technicality #DumbUppers

LOL, get em' Matt!