Can Belichick pull another "Mayo trade" to make up for the loss of our 1st round draft pick?

supafly said:

Speaking as an organization, Bob Kraft gave up the right to fight when he refused to appeal--not that it would've mattered. Obviously, Goodell was going to rule the same way no matter what.

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I don't think we can really say "not that it would have mattered." I don't think Goodell would have done anything different, although I cannot be certain because I only suspect Kraft to be completely impotent and without influence. But for one thing, following the appeal procedure in the NFL would have allowed Kraft to seek relief in the courts. It is possible to change one's mind, as we have seen. Whatever you might think about the wisdom or likelihood of pursuing this course, Kraft eliminated the option by failing to appeal and he gained nothing. Just bad business. Then there are other consequences with possible downstream influence that would be difficult to foresee: how would the press coverage be different? The owners reactions? I don't think I or anyone else really knows for sure.

There was not justice in dealing with Goodell directly because Goodell forbid due process, but that doesn't mean there can be no justice. I think that argument from principle is the main reason people disagree with Kraft, not that Goodell would have immediately rolled back the penalties. Even foregoing the appeal, the fallout for Goodell is still uncertain.

Oswlek said:

I think Mayo has been significantly better the past two partial years than he was during that time. Either way, his value to the Patriots is higher than he'd fetch from another team so trading him makes no sense.

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I'd admit that I have not noticed the difference but it does make sense. He was playing very well in 2014 which is what I expected before he blew out the knee. At any rate, when comparing the players from the front 7 09 -12 teams to what he has now is not even close. With the exception of WV ( I content that he lost something in 2014 but was still good) the talent, athleticism and playmaking is light years better now.

In years past, Mayo need to do everything - and he did. Many on this board crushed him b/c he "didn't make enough plays" like Patrick Willis...Well, he didn't because he was the guy who covered up the screw-ups and make up for the lack of playmaking. He ensured RBs didn't turn the corner. He made sure players lined up properly. He made sure 10 yard runs were only 4 yard ones. He blitzed when he needed to and the coaches gave him that latitude based on what he saw.

Because he doesn't need to play babysitter like he used to, I expect Mayo to become every bit of the playmaker he can be. In the event he physically can't do it, he'll be last line of defense for the front 7 and really allow the coaching staff to turn Collins and HT really loose. He'll need a little more time to get into the flow of things but based on the CAR game, he looked just fine to me.

Chiuba E. Obele said:

Remember the Patriots had to forfeit their first-round draft pick due to the Spygate fallout? But because of a shrewd trade, the Pats had the 49ers’ first-round pick to fall back on. The Niners graciously awarded the Patriots with the seventh overall pick, and Belichick was able to stick it to the league with a top-10 draft pick. Not only that, but we got Jerod Mayo out of that deal, and Mayo's been with the team ever since.

So we've seen Belichick master the draft to our advantage before. Can he pull this off one more time, and get around the team's penalty?

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Off The Grid said:

Sorry, Bro, but the Patriots only got that magical 1st Rounder by trading a 1st Rounder.

We traded the Miners our 2007 1st Rounder for their 2007 4th Rounder and their 2008 1st Rounder.

Sorry, Bro: It ain't happening.

*We eventually parlayed that trade into picking up Randy Moss, too, amusingly enough.

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Fencer said:

I think Bledsoe, Branch and Seymour were all traded for first-round picks, while Cassell/Vrabel went for a high second.

Other deals I recall were more picks-for-picks.

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Yes, indeed, Brother Fencer, although your point is entirely lost on me, I'm afraid.

Perhaps you imagined that I was somehow unaware of those Trades?

My point was that Brother Chiuba's Inquiry suggested that he seemed to think that The Draft Pick Fairy had magically appeared and granted us an extra 1st Rounder ~ that Bill the Mad (Genius) had somehow acquired it for minimal Cost ~ and I felt obliged to point out that that had actually cost us a 1st Rounder.

I would pray to Jesus that it's beyond obvious to everyone that we can acquire a "replacement" 1st Rounder any time we want to, by trading Brady or Kong, or perhaps any number of other guys.

Chiuba's Inquiry, therefore, would've presumably been addressed in that Context.

Joey007 said:

Maybe we trade Jerod Mayo...

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TommyD4207 said:

I can't think of a team what would give up a 2nd round pick for Jerod Mayo, never mind a 1st. Never mind the $3 mil cap hit we'd take for trading him anyway.

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It was a Joke, Tommy.

I have some bridges to sell to the people who think the pats have any chance at all in getting their draft picks back

it ain't happening.............and it wouldn't matter if Kraft went full ****** to get them back

IllegalContact said:

I have some bridges to sell to the people who think the pats have any chance at all in getting their draft picks back

it ain't happening.............and it wouldn't matter if Kraft went full ****** to get them back

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i agree completely. No one will give draft picks back, even if they prove that no one is guilty.

Kraft already went full ****** so i dont think that he left much space for being more ******ed than he is now.

Bill will almost certainly pull off another Mayo trade.....

















it just won't happen next year.

I'm pretty sure if we traded into the first round, we lose the highest of our picks. So if we traded and got #20, we'd lose that and pick at 32 instead.

My dream scenario is that we win the SB and get the last pick (which is forfeited) then swing a trade for the first pick of the 2nd round, (now picking at #32) which would be the exact pick we had stolen from us, and due to the way the punishment was worded they can't take the pick because it is technically not in the 1st round. Roger Dodger would have to **** in his hat...

Blizzzard said:

My dream scenario is that we win the SB and get the last pick (which is forfeited) then swing a trade for the first pick of the 2nd round, (now picking at #32) which would be the exact pick we had stolen from us, and due to the way the punishment was worded they can't take the pick because it is technically not in the 1st round. Roger Dodger would have to **** in his hat...

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That would be amazing lol

The NFL took away the Patriots highest first round pick. If the Patriots traded for another team's first round pick, that pick would be forfeit and the Patriots would get their original back.

Blizzzard said:

My dream scenario is that we win the SB and get the last pick (which is forfeited) then swing a trade for the first pick of the 2nd round, (now picking at #32) which would be the exact pick we had stolen from us, and due to the way the punishment was worded they can't take the pick because it is technically not in the 1st round. Roger Dodger would have to **** in his hat...

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You're a genius!

I have a scenario.....

it's the first round of the draft and the pats decide there's a guy they want in the first round......say their pick would have been 31 or 32 but they don't have it......say there's someone at 29 and while on the clock, they package a deal to get the pick and choose the player. Does Goodell just lose it on the stage?

Another scenario is if the pats want somebody and makes a deal with a team for the guy provided the other team drafts him....and the deal is made when the pick is made and the next team is on the clock.

Mike Loyko ‏@NEPD_Loyko 13m13 minutes ago
Even without their #1 Pick, #Patriots are scheduled 11 Draft picks with their comps (as of now) 2nd, 2 3rds, 4th, 5th, 4 6ths, 2 7ths.

Losing the #1 sucks and is entirely unfair - however with extra picks, every significant player signed for next year and the best 1-2 QB (toughest position to get) situation in the league, we're still sitting pretty.

Blizzzard said:

My dream scenario is that we win the SB and get the last pick (which is forfeited) then swing a trade for the first pick of the 2nd round, (now picking at #32) which would be the exact pick we had stolen from us, and due to the way the punishment was worded they can't take the pick because it is technically not in the 1st round. Roger Dodger would have to **** in his hat...

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Blizzzard said:

My dream scenario is that we win the SB and get the last pick (which is forfeited) then swing a trade for the first pick of the 2nd round, (now picking at #32) which would be the exact pick we had stolen from us, and due to the way the punishment was worded they can't take the pick because it is technically not in the 1st round. Roger Dodger would have to **** in his hat...

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It would actually be even better as 2.1 would start Day Two so we could sit on it overnight, not have to make a rushed selection.

Nunchucks said:

The NFL took away the Patriots highest first round pick. If the Patriots traded for another team's first round pick, that pick would be forfeit and the Patriots would get their original back.

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Which is one of the reasons why I think Kraft should have appealed, if only to remove the "higher pick clause". What made this worse than Spygate. Fine we'll give up our pick but don't add extra conditions to it......