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Ryan Clark - "if Luck was a QB, pats win the SB 5 in a row"


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Brady had both those teams in the lead with minutes to go. Rodgers had the ball to start OT and just needed to get in position for a FG and coughed it up for a touchdown.
Yeah but when the defense holds the other team to 17 and 19 pts you'd expect two of the greatest offenses of all time to be able to score at least 20 pts to win the game. Rodger had an outstanding game, defense game up 45 points. You shouldn't ever lose when your offense puts up 45 points. Can't just look at the end of the game and ignore the game as whole. There's definitely extra importance to the end of games but it doesn't erase what happened for the first 3 quarters.
 
Luck is pretty amazing, especially considering he only has 3 years in the league. His passing numbers are mind blowing.

He will be getting better, which again, is crazy. His problem is that he suffers from poor coaching and a GM that focuses on offense over defense. That is not his fault.

I'll give you that he's not being helped by his defense, but in his last game against the Pats, he was only able to put up 7 points in a 45-7 game. 7 points!!! And we're talking about a guy who's been given an A-list class of wide receivers and an arsenal of offensive weapons. And yet he couldn't get the job done.

An elite quarterback has to be able to take charge and pull his team out of trouble, even when the defense is flagging. Luck hasn't been able to do that, despite all the praise the media heaps on him.
 
I'll give you that he's not being helped by his defense, but in his last game against the Pats, he was only able to put up 7 points in a 45-7 game. 7 points!!! And we're talking about a guy who's been given an A-list class of wide receivers and an arsenal of offensive weapons. And yet he couldn't get the job done.

An elite quarterback has to be able to take charge and pull his team out of trouble, even when the defense is flagging. Luck hasn't been able to do that, despite all the praise the media heaps on him.

I feel like you are penalizing Luck, a 3rd year QB for a poor performance against a top defense coached by one of the greatest defensive coaches of all time. The guy who gives Peyton Manning fits.

Brady has had his share of junk games too.

You are being quite unfair.
 
I feel like you are penalizing Luck, a 3rd year QB for a poor performance against a top defense coached by one of the greatest defensive coaches of all time. The guy who gives Peyton Manning fits.

Brady has had his share of junk games too.

You are being quite unfair.

How am I being unfair? The guy has faced the Pats on four occasions over a three year span, and hasn't been able to compete offensively, or come close to putting up enough points on the scoreboard, despite having one of best receiver corps in the League.
 
How am I being unfair? The guy has faced the Pats on four occasions over a three year span, and hasn't been able to compete offensively, or come close to putting up enough points on the scoreboard, despite having one of best receiver corps in the League.

If you cannot see the double-standard, then I cannot help you. The variables you are leaving out are ridiculous. You are hating just because he is on the Colts.

Good luck with that.
 
If you cannot see the double-standard, then I cannot help you. The variables you are leaving out are ridiculous. You are hating just because he is on the Colts.

Good luck with that.

???? Where's the double standard?

He's a young rising quarterback with a talented group of receivers. Why can't he put more than 7 points on the board?
 
I could maybe see that an argument could be made that Luck's first three years in the league have been better at the QB position than Brady's first three from certain angles -- stats, downfield passing game, ability to score points quickly. Brady was mostly a game manager for the first few years he was in the league, albeit one who was at his best during crunch time. He definitely benefited from a world-class defense, and at least in '04 a very great running game.

BUT the QB that Brady became somewhere around year 4 is just leaps and bounds better than anything we've seen from Luck. His ability to read defenses, check progressions, and call audibles at the LOS is light years beyond where Luck is right now. There have been years where Brady's WRs basically didn't run pre-established routes, they just read defenses and trusted that Brady would put the ball in the gap. You can't do that without someone who doesn't have absolutely phenomenal downfield awareness. I was young for the Montana years but there is nobody I've seen in the league in my lifetime who's better at being aware of what's happening with a defense than Brady, nobody.

Anyone who thinks Luck now is a better QB than Brady is either very very foolish or very very biased, or both.

Football is like politics, everyone has access to the microphone, even the village idiots. Next.
Brady led the NFL in TD passes his second year. A lot of people forget that, he wasn't just handing the ball off, he put up stats. And in 2003 the Patriots were one of the poorer running teams to ever make the SB. I believe at the time they had the lowest ypc of any SB team in history and they won in a shoutout where Brady threw the ball 40+ times.

IMO, the game manager stuff only really applies to year one. The lackluster receivers have been nearly his whole career though.
 
???? Where's the double standard?

He's a young rising quarterback with a talented group of receivers. Why can't he put more than 7 points on the board?

Because the Patriots defense was really good (duh!), the Colts were 1-dimensional in the game (duh)..I mean come on man, do you need me to tell you this?

Why did the Patriots fail to score more than 14 points in the 2010 Superbowl, despite having the greatest offense of all time? Why? What was wrong with Tom Brady? He couldn't do more than 14 points?
 
Because the Patriots defense was really good (duh!), the Colts were 1-dimensional in the game (duh)..I mean come on man, do you need me to tell you this?

Why did the Patriots fail to score more than 14 points in the 2010 Superbowl, despite having the greatest offense of all time? Why? What was wrong with Tom Brady? He couldn't do more than 14 points?

Those losses were close games, not blowouts. Brady made those games competitive as much as he could, and was in both cases, one fluky catch away from winning. Luck has lost badly to the same conference rival on multiple occasions, and doesn't seem able to lead his offense as effectively as he needs to.

The whole point of this thread is that one person said Luck can do things Brady never could, and would do more for the Pats if the two ever switched places. When in fact, the exact opposite is true. Brady has accomplished things that Luck has never been able to do, and he's done so using much much less than any other quarterback in the League.

I'm not trying to **** on Luck, but Ryan Clark is talking nonsense.
 
Because the Patriots defense was really good (duh!), the Colts were 1-dimensional in the game (duh)..I mean come on man, do you need me to tell you this?

Why did the Patriots fail to score more than 14 points in the 2010 Superbowl, despite having the greatest offense of all time? Why? What was wrong with Tom Brady? He couldn't do more than 14 points?



Well the Patriots weren't in the 2010 SB.

Now if you referring to the 2007 or 2011 SB's, I would point that in the 2007 SB, Brady suffered a high sprain the week of the game, seriously limiting his mobility in the pocket, not to mention how a serious foot injury would affect his throwing. In the 2011 SB he has completed 16 passes in a row then had his shoulder injured after a hit, by Tuck IIRC, his accuracy fell off after the injury.
 
Well the Patriots weren't in the 2010 SB.

Now if you referring to the 2007 or 2011 SB's, I would point that in the 2007 SB, Brady suffered a high sprain the week of the game, seriously limiting his mobility in the pocket, not to mention how a serious foot injury would affect his throwing. In the 2011 SB he has completed 16 passes in a row then had his shoulder injured after a hit, by Tuck IIRC, his accuracy fell off after the injury.

not to mention Gronk was also playing injured.... his offensive production wasn't exactly what it was supposed to be
 
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I'll give you that he's not being helped by his defense, but in his last game against the Pats, he was only able to put up 7 points in a 45-7 game. 7 points!!! And we're talking about a guy who's been given an A-list class of wide receivers and an arsenal of offensive weapons. And yet he couldn't get the job done.

An elite quarterback has to be able to take charge and pull his team out of trouble, even when the defense is flagging. Luck hasn't been able to do that, despite all the praise the media heaps on him.

Luck is not elite yet. Even though he really hasn't had the ball that much against the Pats lately because the team has been busy chewing up the clock against their **** run defense, an elite quarterback needs to not give the ball right back when he actually DOES get it. Luck has been nothing but a turnover machine against the Patriots and that's the reason why you can throw a heaping helping of blame on him.
 
Luck is pretty amazing, especially considering he only has 3 years in the league. His passing numbers are mind blowing.

He will be getting better, which again, is crazy. His problem is that he suffers from poor coaching and a GM that focuses on offense over defense. That is not his fault.

Why do people make up excuses for Luck? He is very overrated and he sucks unless he's playing jags like the Jags, Titans and Texans (yes,Watt is overrated too, he's a no-show when even a decent offense shows up). In those 6 games of suckage, Luck is padding up his stats. He pads up his stats against the Patriots too, including the INT category because our secondary is suspect, unless Revis and Browner are in the backfield, making those scrubs look good--not that they are needed for Luck, because Luck also helps them look good. (Butler does seem legit though.) The reason Luck sucks in the playoffs is because it's the only time during the season that he faces winning teams... oh my bad, he loses to winning teams during the regular season, because he only beat scrub teams that everybody else has already beaten. The kid ain't worth the hype, anymore than crappy Russell Wilson, Cam garbage Newton, and that other trash in Washington. They all suck. I rather hear the tales about January Joe, at least he's proven me wrong in some instances. Denver only lost to Indy last year, because Peyton couldn't get his banned nerve shot.

Even when Manning was choking it up in the playoffs, I always felt uneasy about our team playing him. I always felt the score would be close. Last year, I predicted the score would be 38-7 vs Luck, not because of his defense, but because I knew he would find a way to throw about 3 INTs and cost his team the game. Yep he sucks, alright.
 
there is no doubt statistically rodgers is better than brady right now. if that is what bledsoe is talking about i can't really argue with him there.

I think Rogers has better pure QB skills than Brady ever had....but that's not how we judge "GOAT".

We do that based upon results...as in SB victories. There is no QB that is ever in the GOAT conversatoin that hasn't won multiple SB's.

Brady towers over all QB's in leadership and results.....EVER
 
I think Rogers has better pure QB skills than Brady ever had....but that's not how we judge "GOAT".

We do that based upon results...as in SB victories. There is no QB that is ever in the GOAT conversatoin that hasn't won multiple SB's.

Brady towers over all QB's in leadership and results.....EVER

i'm not disagreeing. what i was saying is that the definition of GOAT can be subjective.
 
I think Rogers has better pure QB skills than Brady ever had....

I hear a lot people say this, but I'd like to know how exactly does Rodger out-perform Brady in pure Qbacking skills. Do you mind elaborating PR?
 
I hear a lot people say this, but I'd like to know how exactly does Rodger out-perform Brady in pure Qbacking skills. Do you mind elaborating PR?
i think the responsibility of being a QB where Brady is off the charts can't be quantified as it's impossible to measure or see on film. People want to use numbers, but Brady is more than just the numbers. i think they call it "intangibles".

Does Rodgers have better physical ability/athleticism than Brady? I have no doubt he does and his escape/highlight reels of this are wonderful to see. Especially compared to Brady's 1-2 step sideways to make a defender miss, but it's not as exciting to most people (personally I love it). Brady has mental/processing abilities than can only be inferred.

To prove the sidestep point, imagine 2 gladiators locked in combat. Who is more in control of the situation. The gladiator than can jump out of the way/do a dive&roll to escape a sword swing. Or the gladiator who can measure the length of the arm and weapon and have the swing fall within 1 inch of him? Who would you ultimately bet on to win the match?
 
I hear a lot people say this, but I'd like to know how exactly does Rodger out-perform Brady in pure Qbacking skills. Do you mind elaborating PR?

He throws better on the run and he does that often. He's also a significant run threat and he can throw with the best of them as pure pocket passer.

But if both were rookies and we knew their future, I'd take Brady any day. Because he knows how to lead a team successfully year after year. And isn't that what most fans want?
 
I hear a lot people say this, but I'd like to know how exactly does Rodger out-perform Brady in pure Qbacking skills. Do you mind elaborating PR?

have you seen brady's deep ball?
 
I'll give you that he's not being helped by his defense, but in his last game against the Pats, he was only able to put up 7 points in a 45-7 game. 7 points!!!

It's almost like when a game becomes lopsided enough to force one team into becoming one-dimensional that a savvy coach and DC might be able to use that to their advantage.

But nah, Luck is meh rite
 
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