Tom Curran interview with Dan Patrick

http://www.danpatrick.com/2015/09/02/tom-curran-patriots-fans-cautiously-optimistic/

again patrick wonders why kraft folded if he believed his QB.

Pretty fair question if you ask me

I think the answer is pretty obvious. He doesn't want to rock the boat (or in this case, the billionaire boy's club yacht). We, as fans, may not like or respect it, but it's pretty easy to believe more than "He knows they cheated so he backed off."

Dan Patrick is a tool........ and he cannot get past Kraft (many of us feared that Krafty's capitulation would have this exact this effect).

I think that Kraft also realized that he had little choice but to accept the penalty for the "equipment violation" as it's always been a team penalty anyway. That's being generous to him I know, but in reality, that's what he was faced with. No recourse, except to piss and moan, which was never his style.

It's really not hard to figure out. He thought it would help Brady, and he thought protesting would accomplish nothing. Not that I agree with the decision but it's not hard to figure out.

I'm assuming he knows that though, what he really wants to do is pretend that's evidence, because all the "evidence" he thought he had is gone.

Dan Patrick seems to have the personality of cardboard, but with less likeabilty. Never understood the reason he continues to be on the air.

There is no internal appeals process for clubs, so Krafts only option was to go rogue and sue the 32, which is just not in his character as a coalition-builder. Were Dan Patrick mildly intelligent, he would certainly grasp this. But, alas, he is not.

I thought at first Kraft backed off because he was old, tired, had lost his wife and just wanted to be left in peace to shtup his shikse. I also think that his so-called "buddies" among the owners (Mara, maybe the Rooneys -- may they rot!) leant on him hard.

Now I think that something else was there. The owners believe (following the Harvard guy, Peter Carfagna) that, if they give up the Commissioner's authority over discipline, they'll lose power more generally (Carfagna says that that's what led to free agency in baseball).

So people who want to see Jonathan take over (looking at you, PWP) shouldn't take it for granted he'd have fought harder. Interesting that Jonathan was musing on the radio about changing the system for the future -- in a way that doesn't open things up and give power to the NFLPA, you can be sure.

Patriot_in_NY said:

Dan Patrick is a tool........ and he cannot get past Kraft (many of us feared that Krafty's capitulation would have this exact this effect).

I think that Kraft also realized that he had little choice but to accept the penalty for the "equipment violation" as it's always been a team penalty anyway. That's being generous to him I know, but in reality, that's what he was faced with. No recourse, except to piss and moan, which was never his style.

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There's some middle ground between no recourse except to piss and moan and completely capitulating and accepting any and all punishment.

Sicilian said:

I think the answer is pretty obvious. He doesn't want to rock the boat (or in this case, the billionaire boy's club yacht). We, as fans, may not like or respect it, but it's pretty easy to believe more than "He knows they cheated so he backed off."

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I will say it again, as I have said all along, I think it is blatantly obvious.

Kraft disputing Goodell is not acceptable to the league, because the league wants Goodell to have supreme power over the players to hold them down.
Goodell does what he wants, and the owners have to show deference and not object because doing otherwise would show a weakening of their resolve in Goodell as the almighty, which they need him positioned as to keep the players down.

The conversation was very simple.

Bob, its too bad for you, but its us against the players, and you cannot cast aspersions on the judgment of the commissioner, because that will weaken the 32 against their prime enemy, the players.

Kraft needed to have the balls to stand up to that and be the leader who showed them this approach will lead to their own doom, but he instead played lap dog.

Gotta love it.

Kraft accepts the punishment- "Why did he do it if Brady didn't do anything"

Kraft doesn't- "Bob Kraft is a hypocrite. He stands by goodell when other teams get punished and tells them to accept it, but when it is his team it's a different story"


Newsflash, Kraft accepted it because he reaped what he sowed. Him accepting it had nothing to do if he thought Brady was guilty.

the dan patrick show is awful. they basically suck up to all of the athletes. his producers/cohosts are also douchebags

they all despise brady even before deflate gate. maybe brady snubbed appearing on that crap show

JMC00 said:

Him accepting it had nothing to do if he thought Brady was guilty.

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In fact, the opposite is true. He was so committed to Brady that he thought throwing the team under the bus would facilitate Tom's exoneration. You can question the reasoning behind that, but the motivation is unimpeachable.

Oswlek said:

In fact, the opposite is true. He was so committed to Brady that he thought throwing the team under the bus would facilitate Tom's exoneration. You can question the reasoning behind that, but the motivation is unimpeachable.

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Right. That's why I phrased it "if he thought Brady was guilty" instead of "if he thought Brady was guilty or innocent"

Gronkowski123 said:

the dan patrick show is awful. they basically suck up to all of the athletes. his producers/cohosts are also douchebags

they all despise brady even before deflate gate. maybe brady snubbed appearing on that crap show

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Why would you expect anything different?
Do you actually think these type of shows have credibility anywhere in the top 10 list of their priorities?
They are doing what they need to do to have a show and make money.
Its like expecting the cheapest of restaurants to use the highest quality ingredients in their food. Shame on you for expecting that.

Oswlek said:

In fact, the opposite is true. He was so committed to Brady that he thought throwing the team under the bus would facilitate Tom's exoneration. You can question the reasoning behind that, but the motivation is unimpeachable.

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The motivation is not unimpeachable at all. It is simply the motivation he chose to give a fan base that wanted to hang him in effigy.
If his motivations were different, which he actually said himself at the time, then his credibility in changing what he said they were after the fan base turned on him is very dubious.

letekro said:

There is no internal appeals process for clubs, so Krafts only option was to go rogue and sue the 32, which is just not in his character as a coalition-builder. Were Dan Patrick mildly intelligent, he would certainly grasp this. But, alas, he is not.

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Sorry, but there is an internal appeals process, which Kraft failed to pursue. If he takes it to court now, it will be tossed out because he did not first follow internal procedures for appeal.

AndyJohnson said:

I will say it again, as I have said all along, I think it is blatantly obvious.

Kraft disputing Goodell is not acceptable to the league, because the league wants Goodell to have supreme power over the players to hold them down.
Goodell does what he wants, and the owners have to show deference and not object because doing otherwise would show a weakening of their resolve in Goodell as the almighty, which they need him positioned as to keep the players down.

The conversation was very simple.

Bob, its too bad for you, but its us against the players, and you cannot cast aspersions on the judgment of the commissioner, because that will weaken the 32 against their prime enemy, the players.

Kraft needed to have the balls to stand up to that and be the leader who showed them this approach will lead to their own doom, but he instead played lap dog.

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Thats basically what Arthur Blank and Bob McNair are on record as saying.

Armchair Quarterback said:

There's some middle ground between no recourse except to piss and moan and completely capitulating and accepting any and all punishment.

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Maybe he could have gotten them to adjust the first round pick so if they traded into the round they would keep that pick and give up their own (which is what happened in spygate- they gave up their own and kept the one they traded for)/ Here if they traded back into the first round, they would lose the highest of the picks..That's just salt on the wound....

letekro said:

There is no internal appeals process for clubs, so Krafts only option was to go rogue and sue the 32, which is just not in his character as a coalition-builder. Were Dan Patrick mildly intelligent, he would certainly grasp this. But, alas, he is not.

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Apparently that's not true, since the Chargers appealed Towelgate and won, did they not?

letekro said:

There is no internal appeals process for clubs, so Krafts only option was to go rogue and sue the 32, which is just not in his character as a coalition-builder. Were Dan Patrick mildly intelligent, he would certainly grasp this. But, alas, he is not.

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Incorrect.
There is an appeals process for teams. It has been used in other cases.