Idiot Troy Vincent Pulls an MCI and Gets CRUSHED on his Own Twitter Page!

ctpatsfan77 said:

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The IGL says P = nRT/V. The only things it cares about are amount of gas, temperature, and volume. Everything else is irrelevant for the IGL . . . which is why it's an approximation. In fact, it's in the name: the ideal gas law gives the pressure an ideal gas would have for those conditions.

The outside pressure and friction, among other things, have no effect on the IGL. They may factor into calculating the real pressure, but not into the pressure an ideal gas would have in that scenario.
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Sorry, I misspoke. I meant equation of determining a controlled test. Things like Barometric pressure and Dew Point influence the gauge's measurement but are outside of the formula we've been talking about for8 months .

Below is what I am referring to.

http://www.ajdesigner.com/idealgas/

ctpatsfan77 said:

[Science teacher mode]
The IGL says P = nRT/V. The only things it cares about are amount of gas, temperature, and volume. Everything else is irrelevant for the IGL . . . which is why it's an approximation. In fact, it's in the name: the ideal gas law gives the pressure an ideal gas would have for those conditions.

The outside pressure and friction, among other things, have no effect on the IGL. They may factor into calculating the real pressure, but not into the pressure an ideal gas would have in that scenario.
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To add to this Headsmart found that the football getting wet caused a drop in psi, leather expanding slightly.

robertweathers said:

That was exactly my thought. It is my understanding that the league has produced a chart that accurately (within reason) predicts the PSI of a ball once it has been transitioned from one climate/temperature to another based on a 20 minute acclimation period. If the allowable variance from the original measurement is X, then they are good to go. Will the backup balls be the control group? What is the standard? What is the baseline? Why introduce an unnecessary step into the testing procedure?

I can see it now. At 1/2 time the refs and NFL Security are all going to sit there, drinking coffee and wait 20 minutes for all 24 of the ball's PSI to re-acclimate to the new environment? Are they serious with this process?

It is beyond stupid. They have absolutely no idea how to guarantee and accurate testing exercise.

As of right now I have zero confidence in the NFL executing this program effectively with the desired result.

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This x1000. In fact, I will go so far as to say this: That if the NFL actually discovers footballs that act just like the Patriots' (and Colts'!) footballs did in the AFCCG, they will not make those numbers public. But they WILL make numbers public when they show no change, even though no change will occur only in environmental conditions that would mean no change.

In other words, any numbers that make the NFL look good they'll publish. Numbers that don't, they won't.

For example, if it's a 55 degree day, sunny, dry, in New York for a Jets game, and the footballs are measured later on in the half, and are measured a few tenths of a psi below the start of the game, they'll say, look, hardly anything happened! Not mentioning that the Patriots-Colts game was *colder*, was *wet*, and that the Pats' footballs were measured *right away*, and thus weren't acclimated to the indoor temperatures during halftime.

ctpatsfan77 said:

[Science teacher mode]
The IGL says P = nRT/V. The only things it cares about are amount of gas, temperature, and volume. Everything else is irrelevant for the IGL . . . which is why it's an approximation. In fact, it's in the name: the ideal gas law gives the pressure an ideal gas would have for those conditions.

The outside pressure and friction, among other things, have no effect on the IGL. They may factor into calculating the real pressure, but not into the pressure an ideal gas would have in that scenario.
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Nit
Outside pressure IS a factor in the IGL
You add the outside pressure to the ball psi to get absolute pressure before using the delta P vs delta T ratio simplification for calculations.

ivanvamp said:

This x1000. In fact, I will go so far as to say this: That if the NFL actually discovers footballs that act just like the Patriots' (and Colts'!) footballs did in the AFCCG, they will not make those numbers public. But they WILL make numbers public when they show no change, even though no change will occur only in environmental conditions that would mean no change.

In other words, any numbers that make the NFL look good they'll publish. Numbers that don't, they won't.

For example, if it's a 55 degree day, sunny, dry, in New York for a Jets game, and the footballs are measured later on in the half, and are measured a few tenths of a psi below the start of the game, they'll say, look, hardly anything happened! Not mentioning that the Patriots-Colts game was *colder*, was *wet*, and that the Pats' footballs were measured *right away*, and thus weren't acclimated to the indoor temperatures during halftime.

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Thats the 800 lb elephant in the room that I didn't even bring up because I was just focusing on ripping their process apart.

Lets say that they able to guarantee the repeatability and accuracy of the tests. Do we really trust them to be transparent,honest and unscrupulous if their agenda is not served?

Spare me.

shmessy said:

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   Anthony Curtis ‏@AnthonyCurtis68 1h1 hour ago
   @TroyVincent23 time 2 get your head out of your a... How do you get up each day knowing how you have screwed with the game you say you love?

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After reading that god awful new "procedure", this one tweet I found the most poignant. F@@king air in the footballs needs a 10-point bulleted policy and procedure.

The Patriots absolutely need to have a test ball with a remote monitor and post the PSI live on the scoreboard

robertweathers said:

Thats the 800 lb elephant in the room that I didn't even bring up because I was just focusing on ripping their process apart.

Lets say that they able to guarantee the repeatability and accuracy of the tests. Do we really trust them to be transparent,honest and unscrupulous if their agenda is not served?

Spare me.

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Thats why they are doing it randomly. They won't announce before hand

Dr Pain said:

The Patriots absolutely need to have a test ball with a remote monitor and post the PSI live on the scoreboard

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Have ten balls up there and an independent group monitoring it. People need to see it to believe. I think that's the only way we get our draft picks back.

AndyJohnson said:

Thats why they are doing it randomly. They won't announce before hand

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I also question this randomness they are comitting to.

It is more probable than not that a team with a track record of cheating will be selected more frequently.

Angelpats said:

Have ten balls up there and an independent group monitoring it. People need to see it to believe. I think that's the only way we get our draft picks back.

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There is also no way the Pats can give up control of this to the unscrupulous and untrustworthy NFL*.

This is just ridiculous. I agree with the people who say in no way they will come to any findings that could validate what happened to the Pat's balls. How could they? How could they possibly measure a 12.5 at halftime in a cold game and report that the ball is 11.1 psi? That would completely invalidate this whole 9-month farce and the damage to the Pats would have already been done. But they'd probably still hold the "Well, something was done" banner.

Cunk said:

This is just ridiculous. I agree with the people who say in no way they will come to any findings that could validate what happened to the Pat's balls. How could they? How could they possibly measure a 12.5 at halftime in a cold game and report that the ball is 11.1 psi? That would completely invalidate this whole 9-month farce and the damage to the Pats would have already been done. But they'd probably still hold the "Well, something was done" banner.

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The thing is neither the NFL or Exponent actually said what portion of the decline was tampering vs nature. NFL and Goodell must be asked this question. They won't answer but the question and non answer have value

robertweathers said:

I also question this randomness they are comitting to.

It is more probable than not that a team with a track record of cheating will be selected more frequently.

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But the key is that it is being done randomly so that no one knows which games they will do it in, so that they can only publicize the results they like, and no one will ever know about the ones that were not released.

AndyJohnson said:

But the key is that it is being done randomly so that no one knows which games they will do it in, so that they can only publicize the results they like, and no one will ever know about the ones that were not released.

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Yea....very true.

Dr Pain said:

The thing is neither the NFL or Exponent actually said what portion of the decline was tampering vs nature. NFL and Goodell must be asked this question. They won't answer but the question and non answer have value

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QFT. I may have to update my sig if Berman puts something like this in his ruling.

ctpatsfan77 said:

[Science teacher mode]
The IGL says P = nRT/V. The only things it cares about are amount of gas, temperature, and volume. Everything else is irrelevant for the IGL . . . which is why it's an approximation. In fact, it's in the name: the ideal gas law gives the pressure an ideal gas would have for those conditions.

The outside pressure and friction, among other things, have no effect on the IGL. They may factor into calculating the real pressure, but not into the pressure an ideal gas would have in that scenario.
[/Science teacher mode]

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[Science professor mode]
Friction does not play into it, but, to be fair, a change in ambient (outside) pressure would have a small effect in the unlikely scenario that it changes between measurement periods.

To be specific, any change in ambient pressure between measurements would be inversely directly reflected in the ball pressure. If you measure the ball at 12.5 psi at a given ambient pressure, then decrease that ambient pressure by 0.1 psi, a subsequent ball pressure measurement would yield 12.6 psi all other factors being equal.

And, while an ambient pressure change during the three hours duration of a game is unlikely, it could be significant if there's a strong storm front that comes through during the game.
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Why hasn't this NFL ball testing procedure been picked up by the media?

raduray said:

Why hasn't this NFL ball testing procedure been picked up by the media?

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To the degree the media cares, it has. It's such a non-event, like 'deflategate' should have been if the NFL officials didn't have their heads up their asses and jump to conclusions. But just like the coverage they did on the context report, or the AEI analysis, etc, this is a 'non-story'.

The problem is the media just doesn't care, and won't look at the new rule with acritical eye like people here have. Why random testing? Are they recording other variables like wetness, indoor and outdoor temps, time acclimating to indoor temps, etc etc? Will they release ALL testing data or just select tests?

I have less than zero faith the NFL will use this as anything but a way to justify their absurd penalty against the Patriots. At the end of the year they'll release cherry-picked numbers from games that bear no resemblance to the AFFCG and say 'see, the Pats cheated and here's our proof'. Then they'll go back to measuring footballs at the start of the game and everyone will forget about how the Pats were once again railroaded by a corrupt regime.

raduray said:

[Science professor mode]
Friction does not play into it, but, to be fair, a change in ambient (outside) pressure would have a small effect in the unlikely scenario that it changes between measurement periods.

To be specific, any change in ambient pressure between measurements would be inversely directly reflected in the ball pressure. If you measure the ball at 12.5 psi at a given ambient pressure, then decrease that ambient pressure by 0.1 psi, a subsequent ball pressure measurement would yield 12.6 psi all other factors being equal.

And, while an ambient pressure change during the three hours duration of a game is unlikely, it could be significant if there's a strong storm front that comes through during the game.
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Good discussion. FWIW during the game the barometric pressure dropped significantly between ~4pm (the time of initial inspection) and 9pm (halftime). According to the following weather data it went from 29.89in – 29.61in. With the storm system starting to pass through during the first half.

http://www.wunderground.com/history...tml?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA