Can Belichick pull another "Mayo trade" to make up for the loss of our 1st round draft pick?

Danger Zone · Sep 1, 2015

Archeryaddict12 said:
I honestly think that if the judge vacates the suspension and somehow says there was no wrongdoing by brady, the wells report already cleared the rest of the pats. So we have 2 people saying the pats did nothing, Kraft can then go after the picks since a federal judge and an "independent" investigator cleared everyone with the pats.

I think the only way this is going to happen, other than the wish fulfillment of Goodell getting outed and a new Commissioner vacating the picks, is for Berman to assign this to a neutral arbitrator who then comes back with some strong This Was Utter BS kind of language.

I don't see Goodell giving us back our picks no matter how harsh Berman's language is about the process.

Gumby · Sep 1, 2015

I think they should just hijack the mike at the position of oh pick 32 (

-could be a good season) and announce the patriots pick. Just pretend the whole penalty thing never happened /is not recognized and negotiate with the player. Would be great theater

Competing drafts is how the afl got started after all.

But, back to the real world, a coup d'état /resignation is truly the only hope

Danger Zone · Sep 1, 2015

Gumby said:
I think they should just hijack the mike at the position of oh pick 32 ( -could be a good season) and announce the patriots pick. Just pretend the whole penalty thing never happened /is not recognized and negotiate with the player. Would be great theater

Competing drafts is how the afl got started after all.

But, back to the real world, a coup d'état /resignation is truly the only hope

I've had the same thought. Someone should make a statement about the utter unfairness of losing a 1st round Draft Pick over at worst, a minor equipment violation that is supposed to come with a 25k fine.

Maybe somebody has a link to Taglibue talking about this very thing.. you DONT police the NFL by "catching" one team and making an example of them. You talk to the team(s) behind the scenes and warn them to knock it off (first).

Soul_Survivor88 · Sep 1, 2015

Danger Zone said:
Maybe somebody has a link to Taglibue talking about this very thing.. you DONT police the NFL by "catching" one team and making an example of them. You talk to the teams behind the scenes and tell them to knock it off (first).

That's a remarkable admission! Do you have a link?

Danger Zone · Sep 1, 2015

Chiuba E. Obele said:
That's a remarkable admission! Do you have a link?

I dont. I remember it because it's so related to the Patriot's punishments and is so fundamentally diametric to Goodell's "style".

I'm hoping someone comes up with it though.

EDIT:
Its not a quote from Tagliabue but somebody commenting on what Tagliabue would have done in Goodell's place.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/23/did-the-enforcer-miss-chance-to-avoid-deflategate/

IcyPatriot · Sep 2, 2015

If Belichick cleans up the dead money then the lost pick will have little effect ... he'll have more to spend on FA's if he chooses. We have $14 million is dead money this year which is nuts but it did help us win a Super Bowl (Revis 5 mil). Dead money next year is $112K ... so I look for Belichick to be a little more crafty in who stays and who gets cut to compensate for the loss of pick.

He could also pull off a trade that nets us a high 2nd round pick which is close to where we would pick in round 1 anyways ... IMO it's more a slap in the face to the team than it is a hindrance to Belichick stocking the team.

supafly · Sep 2, 2015

Danger Zone said:
I think the only way this is going to happen, other than the wish fulfillment of Goodell getting outed and a new Commissioner vacating the picks, is for Berman to assign this to a neutral arbitrator who then comes back with some strong This Was Utter BS kind of language.

I don't see Goodell giving us back our picks no matter how harsh Berman's language is about the process.

Yes, @Archeryaddict12--this is something that I hadn't originally thought of when commenting on the lost draft picks.

The possibility remains that even though Jeffrey Kessler specifically asked not to have the case reheard in front of a neutral arbitrator, that it could still happen due to order from Judge Berman. Of course, that would take us backwards to square one, but it may be the only real possibility that's left in terms of having both Brady and the entire organization exonerated.

Should that happen AND everyone be cleared of wrongdoing, then Kraft could go back (or start, actually) to publicly lobbying for the return of the picks. Lots of "if, ands, & buts," but it's probably the only possibility left.

Excellent point by Danger Zone.

Danger Zone · Sep 2, 2015

IcyPatriot said:
If Belichick cleans up the dead money then the lost pick will have little effect ... he'll have more to spend on FA's if he chooses. We have $14 million is dead money this year which is nuts but it did help us win a Super Bowl (Revis 5 mil). Dead money next year is $112K ... so I look for Belichick to be a little more crafty in who stays and who gets cut to compensate for the loss of pick.

He could also pull off a trade that nets us a high 2nd round pick which is close to where we would pick in round 1 anyways ... IMO it's more a slap in the face to the team than it is a hindrance to Belichick stocking the team.

... and it's a bit of a mantra with me.

No matter how unfavorably or favorably you cut it, the Patriots have Drafted in the worst Average Draft Position of any NFL team.

Code:

2000 - 2015 ADP of 25.68 (worst)
2001 - 2015 ADP of 26.33 (worst)
2002 - 2015 ADP of 27.78 (worst)
2009 - 2015 ADP of 27.71 (worst)

While I might have missed a team, I've done the Broncos, Seahawks, Colts, Steelers, Ravens, Packers, Giants, Chargers and Panthers (not sure why I bothered on a couple of them now)

Colts are the 2nd most winningest team with the next worst ADP. Depending on how you break down the years, they've Drafted on Average 1-3 rounds before us.

Soul_Survivor88 · Sep 2, 2015

Danger Zone said:
... and it's a bit of a mantra with me.

No matter how unfavorably or favorably you cut it, the Patriots have Drafted in the worst Average Draft Position of any NFL team.

Code:

2000 - 2015 ADP of 25.68 (worst) 2001 - 2015 ADP of 26.33 (worst) 2002 - 2015 ADP of 27.78 (worst) 2009 - 2015 ADP of 27.71 (worst)

While I might have missed a team, I've done the Broncos, Seahawks, Colts, Steelers, Ravens, Packers, Giants, Chargers and Panthers.

Colts are the 2nd most winningest team with the next worst ADP. Depending on how you break down the years, they've Drafted on Average 1-3 rounds before us.

Hey DZ, can you tell me what you mean by "Average Draft Position" and how you measure what team is "the worst"?

Sticky Caulk · Sep 2, 2015

JarOfMayo51 said:
Why are people coming up with desperate scenarios to trade Mayo? He's a Pro Bowl middle linebacker and hes back and healthy... he needs to be back there with Collins and Hightower, leading the charge on a front 7 that will tear offensive lines and QBs to pieces.

Seriously. It doesn't take a genius to see how much more effective the defense is with May on the field. The run defense is night and day different. I would rather lose Collins than lose Mayo again and I say that as a huge fan of Collins.

Danger Zone · Sep 2, 2015

Chiuba E. Obele said:
Hey DZ, can you tell me what you mean by "Average Draft Position" and how you measure what team is "the worst"?

I finally found a site that told me the original Draft Position of every team before trades. This was important because so many sites simply tell you where each team actually on draft day. I'm no Miguel. Trades involving picks over more than 1 year became too much for my head to handle.

So take 2015. The Patriots obviously (and joyously) are Drafting 32nd. So their ADP is 32 for that single year.

Now where I think the value of this comes in, is when you take a look at windows of multi-year averages.

For example, Patriots.

Code:

I simply use where in the round they Drafted and average out to find what pick/spot they ended Drafting on average over those years. Here we've got: ADP of 27.71

TBR · Sep 2, 2015

How about we plant some cocaine and a gun in the cars of several top prospects for next year's draft, just a few days before. Or somehow find out which players the Pats are interested in drafting and target them.

The player(s) get in trouble and slips to us in the 2nd round.

Then, we let the Patriots in on the whole deal and tell them it was all a set up and it's fine to draft him. They also craft a deal for that player, in a way that pays him the same amount of money as if he were picked in the 1st round. We also ensure the player gets his name cleared. Nothing against the NFL's rules that says we can't do that, right?

I'm partially joking.

woolster22 · Sep 2, 2015

TBR said:
How about we plant some cocaine and a gun in the cars of several top prospects for next year's draft, just a few days before. Or somehow find out which players the Pats are interested in drafting and target them.

The player(s) get in trouble and slips to us in the 2nd round.

Then, we let the Patriots in on the whole deal and tell them it was all a set up and it's fine to draft him. They also craft a deal for that player, in a way that pays him the same amount of money as if he were picked in the 1st round. We also ensure the player gets his name cleared. Nothing against the NFL's rules that says we can't do that, right?

I'm partially joking.

Or Goodell could just perish on the highway. Then we simply take our chances with the next commish...

Fencer · Sep 2, 2015

Off The Grid said:
Sorry, Bro, but the Patriots only got that magical 1st Rounder by trading a 1st Rounder.

We traded the Miners our 2007 1st Rounder for their 2007 4th Rounder and their 2008 1st Rounder.

Sorry, Bro: It ain't happening.

*We eventually parlayed that trade into picking up Randy Moss, too, amusingly enough.

I think Bledsoe, Branch and Seymour were all traded for first-round picks, while Cassell/Vrabel went for a high second.

Other deals I recall were more picks-for-picks.

mgcolby · Sep 2, 2015

For those who seem unable to grasp the importance of Mayo to this defense and team (momentarily putting a side his level of performance against his peers, which is very favorable to him) ...I for one question your functional understanding of the game of football.

RobertWeathers · Sep 2, 2015

Joey007 said:
Maybe we trade Jerod Mayo...

Kevin Howe said that was an actual internet rumor...

RobertWeathers · Sep 2, 2015

mgcolby said:
For those who seem unable to grasp the importance of Mayo to this defense and team (momentarily putting a side his level of performance against his peers, which is very favorable to him) ...I for one question your functional understanding of the game of football.

People forget how good Mayo was from 2009-2012. If he didn't play on those defenses they would have allowed even more points.

His run stopping and sideline to sideline ability is such a huge asset. He allows Collins and HT to play anywhere on the damn field in either the 3-4 or 4-3.

Only grip is that he is less than stellar in coverage but Collins makes up for that. Even HT has improved in that area.

archstanton543 · Sep 2, 2015

I thought I heard when they announced the team's punishment that even if the Pats traded for a first round pick, the league could confiscate that as well...meaning the earliest round the Pats could pick in next year is the second.

Froob · Sep 2, 2015

Gumby said:
I think they should just hijack the mike at the position of oh pick 32 ( -could be a good season) and announce the patriots pick. Just pretend the whole penalty thing never happened /is not recognized and negotiate with the player. Would be great theater

Competing drafts is how the afl got started after all.

But, back to the real world, a coup d'état /resignation is truly the only hope

The George Constanza move, interesting idea.

Oswlek · Sep 2, 2015

robertweathers said:
People forget how good Mayo was from 2009-2012. If he didn't play on those defenses they would have allowed even more points.

I think Mayo has been significantly better the past two partial years than he was during that time. Either way, his value to the Patriots is higher than he'd fetch from another team so trading him makes no sense.

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