Ryan Clark - "if Luck was a QB, pats win the SB 5 in a row"

Bledsoehasaring said:

I love Tom Brady but some corrections are needed here. First off drew has always been a class act in regards to tom. They are still friends and Drew was one of toms only defenders at the beginning of deflategate. If he says something its not to get attention or cause he is bitter. Next Aaron Rodgers is not better at winning than Tom Brady but statistically the numbers are not even close. Rodgers has almost a 6-1 td to pick ratio.

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Rogers is #1 in ppg @ 28.5, Brady is #2 @ 27.86, SB era. I would point out that Rogers games were all in the hands off wr era as opposed to half of Brady's. Brady has 17 more losses in the games he started than Rogers, but he has 105 more wins. The differences are staggering.

2009-2014
Rodgers: 87 games 64-23 record 109 rating 197TD 43INT 66% comp
Brady: 96 games 73-23 record 99 rating 195TD 57INT 64% comp

Rodgers' #s is superior. You can argue that this is not Brady's athletic prime and does not include his greatest season.

Ice_Ice_Brady said:

I'm sorry, but are you clinically insane? The 2006 AFCCG, Brady's best WR, Caldwell, could not even make a roster the following season. It was literally one of the worst group of offensive skill players that you will ever see at the professional level. How many points did Tom score? 34!!!! He scored 34 points AND watched bug-eyed Caldwell drop a sure game winning TD; it went right through his hands! The defense collapsed in the second half...

How can you compare Brady's AFCCG in 2006 to Aaron Rodgers last year? The Seahawks turned the ball over, what, 5 times? Gave the Packers the ball several times inside their own 20 for an easy punch in TD. Rodgers threw several picks and then could not convert over and over again on third and short. The Packers defense annihilated the Seahawks for roughly 58 minutes.

Again, absolutely no way Brady loses that game...not EVER. Brady does not lose those types of games where he is gift wrapped the game but throws it away.

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I am not going to get into a your insane im insane type argument cause ultimately we probably agree brady is the GOAT. I just meant Brady lost a playoff game he should have won. Also Rodger was hurt and was not the same player in that game. You might disagree but high ankle sprains make it almost impossible for a qb to play at his highest level. Also that game was a comedy of errors and probably not a fair assessment of rodgers talent. Its a message board people are allowed to disagree with each other. I am a huge tb lover and pats fan. Hoever, I think almost any player or coach in the game would agree that on a week to week basis aaron rodgers is the current most talented qb in the game. That doesnt mean brady isnt the greatest given his body of work.

Bledsoehasaring said:

I am not going to get into a your insane im insane type argument cause ultimately we probably agree brady is the GOAT. I just meant Brady lost a playoff game he should have won. Also Rodger was hurt and was not the same player in that game. You might disagree but high ankle sprains make it almost impossible for a qb to play at his highest level. Also that game was a comedy of errors and probably not a fair assessment of rodgers talent. Its a message board people are allowed to disagree with each other. I am a huge tb lover and pats fan. Hoever, I think almost any player or coach in the game would agree that on a week to week basis aaron rodgers is the current most talented qb in the game. That doesnt mean brady isnt the greatest given his body of work.

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Probably no QB in the history of the game would even be in that AFCCG to begin with, let alone score 34 points on the road, with Reche Caldwell, Jabar Gaffney, Doug Gabriel, and Ben Watson as their four best offensive "threats." I'll bet you could not name a sorrier group of pass catchers for any AFCCG participant in the last fifteen years, and certainly none that eclipsed 30 points.

Point taken about the Rodgers injury. Just saying...Brady always finds a way to get it done when the team needs him. Whether it be a QB sneak or "winning ugly".

Ryan Clark's tears taste so good.

robertweathers said:

2009-2014
Rodgers: 87 games 64-23 record 109 rating 197TD 43INT 66% comp
Brady: 96 games 73-23 record 99 rating 195TD 57INT 64% comp

Rodgers' #s is superior. You can argue that this is not Brady's athletic prime and does not include his greatest season.

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The fact that Brady's numbers are right there close with Rodgers, who has a star studded offense, when Brady went through the 2013 injury season, the 2010 rebuild, and the 2009 rehabilitation seasons.

Brady is the ****ing man!

Ice_Ice_Brady said:

Probably no QB in the history of the game would even be in that AFCCG to begin with, let alone score 34 points on the road, with Reche Caldwell, Jabar Gaffney, Doug Gabriel, and Ben Watson as their four best offensive "threats." I'll bet you could not name a sorrier group of pass catchers for any AFCCG participant in the last fifteen years, and certainly none that eclipsed 30 points.

Point taken about the Rodgers injury. Just saying...Brady always finds a way to get it done when the team needs him. Whether it be a QB sneak or "winning ugly".

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Agreed. When I say he should have won...i meant with a 21-6 halftime lead. But the talent on offense was terrible that year.

**** Lvck

PATS16N0 said:

Ryan Clark's tears taste so good.

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Salty?

robertweathers said:

2009-2014
Rodgers: 87 games 64-23 record 109 rating 197TD 43INT 66% comp
Brady: 96 games 73-23 record 99 rating 195TD 57INT 64% comp

Rodgers' #s is superior. You can argue that this is not Brady's athletic prime and does not include his greatest season.

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I think the more compelling argument is that Rodgers has compiled those numbers in a superior offense. That said, I agree with the overall conclusion that Rodgers has been the superior regular season QB since 2009.

robertweathers said:

2009-2014
Rodgers: 87 games 64-23 record 109 rating 197TD 43INT 66% comp
Brady: 96 games 73-23 record 99 rating 195TD 57INT 64% comp

Rodgers' #s is superior. You can argue that this is not Brady's athletic prime and does not include his greatest season.

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Rodgers consistently has like 2 Pro Bowl WRs on offense every year

GB seems to draft a WR in the 2nd or 3rd round every year as well

I could maybe see that an argument could be made that Luck's first three years in the league have been better at the QB position than Brady's first three from certain angles -- stats, downfield passing game, ability to score points quickly. Brady was mostly a game manager for the first few years he was in the league, albeit one who was at his best during crunch time. He definitely benefited from a world-class defense, and at least in '04 a very great running game.

BUT the QB that Brady became somewhere around year 4 is just leaps and bounds better than anything we've seen from Luck. His ability to read defenses, check progressions, and call audibles at the LOS is light years beyond where Luck is right now. There have been years where Brady's WRs basically didn't run pre-established routes, they just read defenses and trusted that Brady would put the ball in the gap. You can't do that without someone who doesn't have absolutely phenomenal downfield awareness. I was young for the Montana years but there is nobody I've seen in the league in my lifetime who's better at being aware of what's happening with a defense than Brady, nobody.

Anyone who thinks Luck now is a better QB than Brady is either very very foolish or very very biased, or both.

Football is like politics, everyone has access to the microphone, even the village idiots. Next.

wolverinejoe80 said:

i'm seeing alot of ex-players taking jab at Brady lately. First, Drew Bledsoe said "Aaron Rodgers is playing at a highest level of QBing I've ever seen." last week. He basically is saying Rodgers > Brady.

and today Ryan Clark says Luck would win 5 SB in a row if he played with us in 01-05 in First Take.

can brady ever truly be respected as the GOAT? I don't think it will happen unless Brady wins ring #5.

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Bledsoe isn't a hater, don't start that. Guy speaks highly of Brady all the time.

BradyFTW! said:

I think the more compelling argument is that Rodgers has compiled those numbers in a superior offense. That said, I agree with the overall conclusion that Rodgers has been the superior regular season QB since 2009.

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.7 ppg is superior? Plus a far inferior winning % in the reg season?

Stop the madness.

Who's Ryan Clark and why should we care?

patsfan13 said:

Brady's teams have scored more ppt than Rogers, Brady's winning % reg season is 77.3, Rogers 68%, playoffs, Brady 21-9, 72.4%, Rogers 6-5, 54.5%.

Rogers is a good QB not in Brady's league, let's not even get into the Luck. Brady is the clear GOAT.

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BUT HEY!!! what about Aaron Rodger's passer rating?

PatsWickedPissah said:

Luck has talent. Rogers has more talent. Aaron can do stuff Tom cannot.
HOWEVER neither one of them can do what Tom HAS DONE time and again under fire and behind in the playoffs against top ranked defenses. Time & again.
WTF? Do they not watch the games???

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The greatest athletes are not always the best human bodies ... Michael Jordan was so great because he had both ... intelligence is a huge factor and I really don't think Luck is exceptional in that category ... think Brett Favre. Luck will eventually win a Super Bowl ... maybe 1 just like Old Brett and Peyton. Great QB's are more than an arm ... as in Montana and Brady.

Silver Blue&Red said:

**** Lvck

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**** Clark

patsfan13 said:

.7 ppg is superior? Plus a far inferior winning % in the reg season?

Stop the madness.

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If you're determined to deliberately misread my post and completely miss the point, I guess this is one way to do it.

Ice_Ice_Brady said:

I'm sorry, but are you clinically insane? The 2006 AFCCG, Brady's best WR, Caldwell, could not even make a roster the following season. It was literally one of the worst group of offensive skill players that you will ever see at the professional level. How many points did Tom score? 34!!!! He scored 34 points AND watched bug-eyed Caldwell drop a sure game winning TD; it went right through his hands! The defense collapsed in the second half...

How can you compare Brady's AFCCG in 2006 to Aaron Rodgers last year? The Seahawks turned the ball over, what, 5 times? Gave the Packers the ball several times inside their own 20 for an easy punch in TD. Rodgers threw several picks and then could not convert over and over again on third and short. The Packers defense annihilated the Seahawks for roughly 58 minutes.

Again, absolutely no way Brady loses that game...not EVER. Brady does not lose those types of games where he is gift wrapped the game but throws it away.

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Someone go ahead, and give this man a medal!