PatsFans.com Menu
PatsFans.com - The Hub For New England Patriots Fans

Berman's Dilemma


Status
Not open for further replies.

ivanvamp

In the Starting Line-Up
Joined
Mar 4, 2007
Messages
4,869
Reaction score
4,664
It's real, people. We might think that it's a slam dunk for Brady and the NFLPA, but it's not.

Berman ruling for Brady/NFLPA
The evidence is that the NFL completely abused the CBA and the process. To wit:

- False information given to Mort who tweeted it and wrote a story that led to this thing going nuclear. The NFL could have stopped this in its tracks, and Florio requested FIVE TIMES that the NFL give him the real numbers to report during the Super Bowl pregame, and the NFL refused. Furthermore, the NFL sent a letter to the Patriots with the same misinformation that they KNEW was wrong. This drove the narrative and put the Pats on the defensive. Something the NFL *wanted* to happen.

- Leak after leak after leak by the NFL office, all designed to make the Patriots and Brady look bad.

- Goodell issuing an "independent" report by Wells, even though it wasn't independent at all - it was a prosecution not an investigation. And when it was learned that Pash, the NFL's counsel, edited the report and the whole veneer of "independent" was blown away, they simply said it doesn't matter, there's nothing in the rules that said it HAD to be independent.

- Goodell lying about Brady's testimony. Flat-out lying. And being caught in the lie by the release of the transcripts.

- Goodell being the investigator, the prosecutor, the judge, the jury, and the executioner, violating every basic element of fairness.

- The lack of notice given to Brady for pending punishments for actions.

- The "upgrade" from "general awareness" of wrongdoing, from his original decision based on the Wells report, to Brady orchestrating a scheme to tamper with footballs, as he declared in the appeal ruling, based on absolutely no new evidence.

- Goodell issuing penalties far, FAR beyond anything hinted at in the CBA or rulebook, or by precedent, for anything he found Brady "guilty" of.

So all that tells Berman that this entire thing is a charade, an abuse of power, a total violation of basic fundamental fairness. So he could use this to rule for Brady and sleep well at night doing so.

However, to rule for Brady is to do something that, while it has happened, it isn't done often. That is, the Garvey case years ago is legal precedent that a court ought not overrule decisions made by the people that the CBA authorizes to make, even if those decisions are horribly wrong. So Berman might feel bound by this legal precedent, even though it is a different case from many years ago dealing with a very different situation. Still. Article 46 is what the NFL is hanging its hat on, and frankly, it's a strong hook. He might feel that if he rules for Brady, an appellate court would, on the basis of Garvey and Article 46, reverse his decision. No judge wants that. He might feel that his hands are tied legally.


Berman ruling for the NFL
Now reverse these. He says that his hands are tied legally and sorry Tom, it sucks, you got railroaded, but...this is what you collectively bargained for. You guys agreed to give Goodell this power, and you can't complain legally if he uses this power in a way you don't like or that hurts you personally. Sorry, that's the deal.

However, let's say Berman DOES rule that way. What he is saying then is that the CBA gives Goodell literally unlimited power over players. On anything that even sniffs of suspicion, without any actual evidence, or even stuff HE MAKES UP, Goodell has the power to impose literally ANY discipline he wants, for any made-up infraction. All he has to do is say it threatens the "integrity of the game" (don't all violations do this? Berman actually asked Nash), and Goodell could punish a player for any length of time, at his whim, regardless of what the rulebook calls for and regardless of historical precedent. I am not sure that Berman wants to rule that any CBA actually grants the commissioner such omnipotence, because the assumption for the commissioner to have the power to impose punishments is that the commissioner is a reasonable and fair person who is acting within, at least, the spirit of the CBA, the rules, and precedent. Tagliabue basically said this in his Bountygate ruling. He agreed that the Saints' players were involved in wrongdoing, but that Goodell's punishment was just completely, utterly out of whack with anything remotely resembling fairness and precedent that he overturned the penalties Goodell laid out.

In other words, the commissioner has to act in good faith and fairness, but a ruling in this case - where the commissioner clearly (SO ABUNDANTLY CLEARLY) did not act in good faith and fairness - essentially grants the commissioner unlimited power to act NOT in good faith and fairness. I am not sure Berman wants to be the one responsible for affirming that Goodell can literally do whatever the hell he wants, rule book, fairness, reason, and historical precedent be damned.


So this is the dilemma facing Berman. It's not really an easy call as I see it. Of course I hope he rules for Brady but we shall see.
 
Nice post...I think it fairly conveys both sides of the argument. However, some of the points you listed in favor of Brady, while reprehensible, do not factor into this decision, while you left out a few that do.
 
We'll know for sure by tomorrow or Wednesday
 
It's real, people. We might think that it's a slam dunk for Brady and the NFLPA, but it's not.

Berman ruling for Brady/NFLPA
The evidence is that the NFL completely abused the CBA and the process. To wit:

- False information given to Mort who tweeted it and wrote a story that led to this thing going nuclear. The NFL could have stopped this in its tracks, and Florio requested FIVE TIMES that the NFL give him the real numbers to report during the Super Bowl pregame, and the NFL refused. Furthermore, the NFL sent a letter to the Patriots with the same misinformation that they KNEW was wrong. This drove the narrative and put the Pats on the defensive. Something the NFL *wanted* to happen.

- Leak after leak after leak by the NFL office, all designed to make the Patriots and Brady look bad.

- Goodell issuing an "independent" report by Wells, even though it wasn't independent at all - it was a prosecution not an investigation. And when it was learned that Pash, the NFL's counsel, edited the report and the whole veneer of "independent" was blown away, they simply said it doesn't matter, there's nothing in the rules that said it HAD to be independent.

- Goodell lying about Brady's testimony. Flat-out lying. And being caught in the lie by the release of the transcripts.

- Goodell being the investigator, the prosecutor, the judge, the jury, and the executioner, violating every basic element of fairness.

- The lack of notice given to Brady for pending punishments for actions.

- The "upgrade" from "general awareness" of wrongdoing, from his original decision based on the Wells report, to Brady orchestrating a scheme to tamper with footballs, as he declared in the appeal ruling, based on absolutely no new evidence.

- Goodell issuing penalties far, FAR beyond anything hinted at in the CBA or rulebook, or by precedent, for anything he found Brady "guilty" of.

So all that tells Berman that this entire thing is a charade, an abuse of power, a total violation of basic fundamental fairness. So he could use this to rule for Brady and sleep well at night doing so.

However, to rule for Brady is to do something that, while it has happened, it isn't done often. That is, the Garvey case years ago is legal precedent that a court ought not overrule decisions made by the people that the CBA authorizes to make, even if those decisions are horribly wrong. So Berman might feel bound by this legal precedent, even though it is a different case from many years ago dealing with a very different situation. Still. Article 46 is what the NFL is hanging its hat on, and frankly, it's a strong hook. He might feel that if he rules for Brady, an appellate court would, on the basis of Garvey and Article 46, reverse his decision. No judge wants that. He might feel that his hands are tied legally.


Berman ruling for the NFL
Now reverse these. He says that his hands are tied legally and sorry Tom, it sucks, you got railroaded, but...this is what you collectively bargained for. You guys agreed to give Goodell this power, and you can't complain legally if he uses this power in a way you don't like or that hurts you personally. Sorry, that's the deal.

However, let's say Berman DOES rule that way. What he is saying then is that the CBA gives Goodell literally unlimited power over players. On anything that even sniffs of suspicion, without any actual evidence, or even stuff HE MAKES UP, Goodell has the power to impose literally ANY discipline he wants, for any made-up infraction. All he has to do is say it threatens the "integrity of the game" (don't all violations do this? Berman actually asked Nash), and Goodell could punish a player for any length of time, at his whim, regardless of what the rulebook calls for and regardless of historical precedent. I am not sure that Berman wants to rule that any CBA actually grants the commissioner such omnipotence, because the assumption for the commissioner to have the power to impose punishments is that the commissioner is a reasonable and fair person who is acting within, at least, the spirit of the CBA, the rules, and precedent. Tagliabue basically said this in his Bountygate ruling. He agreed that the Saints' players were involved in wrongdoing, but that Goodell's punishment was just completely, utterly out of whack with anything remotely resembling fairness and precedent that he overturned the penalties Goodell laid out.

In other words, the commissioner has to act in good faith and fairness, but a ruling in this case - where the commissioner clearly (SO ABUNDANTLY CLEARLY) did not act in good faith and fairness - essentially grants the commissioner unlimited power to act NOT in good faith and fairness. I am not sure Berman wants to be the one responsible for affirming that Goodell can literally do whatever the hell he wants, rule book, fairness, reason, and historical precedent be damned.


So this is the dilemma facing Berman. It's not really an easy call as I see it. Of course I hope he rules for Brady but we shall see.
You misunderstand the Garvey precedent.
http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...-why-garvey-will-not-handcuff-berman.1122801/
 
Hasn't this been written about a thousand times on this board. A bit of a rehash with the pessimistic angle emphasized.

I presume. I didn't read through the post.

Berman has several straightforward ways to give Brady a win.
  • Come to approximately the same conclusions as Doty, for approximately the same reasons.
  • Defer to Doty on grounds of collateral estoppel.
  • Rule on other kinds of process violations, for example the disparity between Commissioner Goodell's and Arbitrator Goodell's descriptions of the discipline.
 
It's real, people. We might think that it's a slam dunk for Brady and the NFLPA, but it's not.

Berman ruling for Brady/NFLPA
The evidence is that the NFL completely abused the CBA and the process. To wit:

- False information given to Mort who tweeted it and wrote a story that led to this thing going nuclear. The NFL could have stopped this in its tracks, and Florio requested FIVE TIMES that the NFL give him the real numbers to report during the Super Bowl pregame, and the NFL refused. Furthermore, the NFL sent a letter to the Patriots with the same misinformation that they KNEW was wrong. This drove the narrative and put the Pats on the defensive. Something the NFL *wanted* to happen.

- Leak after leak after leak by the NFL office, all designed to make the Patriots and Brady look bad.

- Goodell issuing an "independent" report by Wells, even though it wasn't independent at all - it was a prosecution not an investigation. And when it was learned that Pash, the NFL's counsel, edited the report and the whole veneer of "independent" was blown away, they simply said it doesn't matter, there's nothing in the rules that said it HAD to be independent.

- Goodell lying about Brady's testimony. Flat-out lying. And being caught in the lie by the release of the transcripts.

- Goodell being the investigator, the prosecutor, the judge, the jury, and the executioner, violating every basic element of fairness.

- The lack of notice given to Brady for pending punishments for actions.

- The "upgrade" from "general awareness" of wrongdoing, from his original decision based on the Wells report, to Brady orchestrating a scheme to tamper with footballs, as he declared in the appeal ruling, based on absolutely no new evidence.

- Goodell issuing penalties far, FAR beyond anything hinted at in the CBA or rulebook, or by precedent, for anything he found Brady "guilty" of.

So all that tells Berman that this entire thing is a charade, an abuse of power, a total violation of basic fundamental fairness. So he could use this to rule for Brady and sleep well at night doing so.

However, to rule for Brady is to do something that, while it has happened, it isn't done often. That is, the Garvey case years ago is legal precedent that a court ought not overrule decisions made by the people that the CBA authorizes to make, even if those decisions are horribly wrong. So Berman might feel bound by this legal precedent, even though it is a different case from many years ago dealing with a very different situation. Still. Article 46 is what the NFL is hanging its hat on, and frankly, it's a strong hook. He might feel that if he rules for Brady, an appellate court would, on the basis of Garvey and Article 46, reverse his decision. No judge wants that. He might feel that his hands are tied legally.


Berman ruling for the NFL
Now reverse these. He says that his hands are tied legally and sorry Tom, it sucks, you got railroaded, but...this is what you collectively bargained for. You guys agreed to give Goodell this power, and you can't complain legally if he uses this power in a way you don't like or that hurts you personally. Sorry, that's the deal.

However, let's say Berman DOES rule that way. What he is saying then is that the CBA gives Goodell literally unlimited power over players. On anything that even sniffs of suspicion, without any actual evidence, or even stuff HE MAKES UP, Goodell has the power to impose literally ANY discipline he wants, for any made-up infraction. All he has to do is say it threatens the "integrity of the game" (don't all violations do this? Berman actually asked Nash), and Goodell could punish a player for any length of time, at his whim, regardless of what the rulebook calls for and regardless of historical precedent. I am not sure that Berman wants to rule that any CBA actually grants the commissioner such omnipotence, because the assumption for the commissioner to have the power to impose punishments is that the commissioner is a reasonable and fair person who is acting within, at least, the spirit of the CBA, the rules, and precedent. Tagliabue basically said this in his Bountygate ruling. He agreed that the Saints' players were involved in wrongdoing, but that Goodell's punishment was just completely, utterly out of whack with anything remotely resembling fairness and precedent that he overturned the penalties Goodell laid out.

In other words, the commissioner has to act in good faith and fairness, but a ruling in this case - where the commissioner clearly (SO ABUNDANTLY CLEARLY) did not act in good faith and fairness - essentially grants the commissioner unlimited power to act NOT in good faith and fairness. I am not sure Berman wants to be the one responsible for affirming that Goodell can literally do whatever the hell he wants, rule book, fairness, reason, and historical precedent be damned.


So this is the dilemma facing Berman. It's not really an easy call as I see it. Of course I hope he rules for Brady but we shall see.

I could be 100% wrong but reports of an upbeat Brady and the reports of the Kessler quote that he trusts this court will issue a fair ruling suggests that he may have gotten a "wink and nod" from the judge on how he was going to rule. At least that's what I'm clinging to to retain what's left of my sanity. o_O
 
Ugh - Garvey vs. MLB Players Association is very different than what is going on here. The SC ruled that the lower court erred in overturning the arbitrator by giving too much importance to the facts of the original case and not the process.

A quote from the ruling that overturned the award for Garvey:

" It is only when the arbitrator strays from interpretation and application of the agreement and effectively 'dispenses his own brand of industrial justice' that his decision may be unenforceable. "
 
Good points all. Many legal minds a lot better than mine have pointed out that it's entirely possible that Berman rules in accordance with the Garvey decision. So while it doesn't necessarily handcuff him, it might still be compelling enough for him as a basis for this ruling.
 
Hasn't this been written about a thousand times on this board. A bit of a rehash with the pessimistic angle emphasized.

What else do you want to talk about?

What do you disagree with in the OP?
 

I think Garvey is going to be VERY hard for Kessler to overcome.

Although Wallach is a lawyer and I'm not, I have read the SC decision and it is pretty stark.

The case of Garvey that led the appellate court to overturn was not just one where the arbitrator refused to credit the later testimony of the former owner of the baseball team when it contradicted earlier testimony. He refused to credit it after having chaired a panel that decided that the earlier testimony was not credible. It was that that the appellate court described as "inexplicable" and "bordering on the irrational" ('in the court’s view, the arbitrator’s refusal to credit Smith’s letter was “inexplicable” and “border[ed] on the irrational,” because a panel of arbitrators, chaired by the arbitrator involved here, had previously concluded that the owners’ prior testimony was false.')

The Supreme Court didn't take issue with that. What it wrote is:

Judicial review of a labor-arbitration decision pursuant to such an agreement is very limited. Courts are not authorized to review the arbitrator’s decision on the merits despite allegations that the decision rests on factual errors or misinterprets the parties’ agreement. Paperworkers v. Misco, Inc.,484 U.S. 29, 36 (1987). We recently reiterated that if an “ ‘arbitrator is even arguably construing or applying the contract and acting within the scope of his authority,’ the fact that ‘a court is convinced he committed serious error does not suffice to overturn his decision.’ ” Eastern Associated Coal Corp. v. Mine Workers, 531 U.S. 57, 62 (2000) (quoting Misco, supra, at 38). It is only when the arbitrator strays from interpretation and application of the agreement and effectively “dispense his own brand of industrial justice” that his decision may be unenforceable. Steelworkers v. Enterprise Wheel & Car Corp., 363 U.S. 593, 597 (1960). When an arbitrator resolves disputes regarding the application of a contract, and no dishonesty is alleged, the arbitrator’s “improvident, even silly, factfinding” does not provide a basis for a reviewing court to refuse to enforce the award. Misco, 484 U.S., at 39.

That is amazingly -- outrageously -- restrictive.

You can say all you want about ****dell's flagrant unfairness and bias -- all the leaks, all the nonsense in the Wells report, the awfulness of not letting Brady see and challenge testimony, and so on -- but, so long as there is no evidence that he was pocketing money from one side to come up with a ruling in their interests ("dishonesty" doesn't just mean being a mendacious weasel) it looks like SCOTUS would uphold him.

Don't get me wrong. I hope that Berman finds a way round this. But my head says it will be very, very hard.
 
Good points all. Many legal minds a lot better than mine have pointed out that it's entirely possible that Berman rules in accordance with the Garvey decision. So while it doesn't necessarily handcuff him, it might still be compelling enough for him as a basis for this ruling.
I wouldn't call Lester Munson a legal mind
 
I think Garvey is going to be VERY hard for Kessler to overcome.

Although Wallach is a lawyer and I'm not, I have read the SC decision and it is pretty stark.

The case of Garvey that led the appellate court to overturn was not just one where the arbitrator refused to credit the later testimony of the former owner of the baseball team when it contradicted earlier testimony. He refused to credit it after having chaired a panel that decided that the earlier testimony was not credible. It was that that the appellate court described as "inexplicable" and "bordering on the irrational" ('in the court’s view, the arbitrator’s refusal to credit Smith’s letter was “inexplicable” and “border[ed] on the irrational,” because a panel of arbitrators, chaired by the arbitrator involved here, had previously concluded that the owners’ prior testimony was false.')

The Supreme Court didn't take issue with that. What it wrote is:

Judicial review of a labor-arbitration decision pursuant to such an agreement is very limited. Courts are not authorized to review the arbitrator’s decision on the merits despite allegations that the decision rests on factual errors or misinterprets the parties’ agreement. Paperworkers v. Misco, Inc.,484 U.S. 29, 36 (1987). We recently reiterated that if an “ ‘arbitrator is even arguably construing or applying the contract and acting within the scope of his authority,’ the fact that ‘a court is convinced he committed serious error does not suffice to overturn his decision.’ ” Eastern Associated Coal Corp. v. Mine Workers, 531 U.S. 57, 62 (2000) (quoting Misco, supra, at 38). It is only when the arbitrator strays from interpretation and application of the agreement and effectively “dispense his own brand of industrial justice” that his decision may be unenforceable. Steelworkers v. Enterprise Wheel & Car Corp., 363 U.S. 593, 597 (1960). When an arbitrator resolves disputes regarding the application of a contract, and no dishonesty is alleged, the arbitrator’s “improvident, even silly, factfinding” does not provide a basis for a reviewing court to refuse to enforce the award. Misco, 484 U.S., at 39.

That is amazingly -- outrageously -- restrictive.

You can say all you want about ****dell's flagrant unfairness and bias -- all the leaks, all the nonsense in the Wells report, the awfulness of not letting Brady see and challenge testimony, and so on -- but, so long as there is no evidence that he was pocketing money from one side to come up with a ruling in their interests ("dishonesty" doesn't just mean being a mendacious weasel) it looks like SCOTUS would uphold him.

Don't get me wrong. I hope that Berman finds a way round this. But my head says it will be very, very hard.

And yet, the NFL is something like 0-4 in recent court decisions. How can this possibly be reconciled?
 
And yet, the NFL is something like 0-4 in recent court decisions. How can this possibly be reconciled?

It's a very good question. I hope to goodness they go 0 and 5.

Two possibilities.

1. The cases fell under the "law of the shop" provisions of the personal conduct policy, rather than Article 46. (Clearly, Kessler was desperate to keep it from being an Article 46 issue.)

2. I don't know how far the NFL went up the legal tree, but it didn't take those cases as far as SCOTUS. Perhaps it would have had more success if it had.​
 
It's a very good question. I hope to goodness they go 0 and 5.

Two possibilities.

1. The cases fell under the "law of the shop" provisions of the personal conduct policy, rather than Article 46. (Clearly, Kessler was desperate to keep it from being an Article 46 issue.)

2. I don't know how far the NFL went up the legal tree, but it didn't take those cases as far as SCOTUS. Perhaps it would have had more success if it had.​

Did you hear the media singing the Garvey song during all those earlier cases in the way they have with this case?

Did you hear the media hammering the w/l record of arbitration appeals?


The answer to both above questions is "no". There's a reason for that, just as there's a reason that same media is pounding a portion of the CBA that's been in there for a long, long time as if Goodell just got it put there yesterday.
 
Did you hear the media singing the Garvey song during all those earlier cases in the way they have with this case?

Did you hear the media hammering the w/l record of arbitration appeals?


The answer to both above questions is "no". There's a reason for that, just as there's a reason that same media is pounding a portion of the CBA that's been in there for a long, long time as if Goodell just got it put there yesterday.

I didn't follow those earlier cases. And I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. Would you spell it out for me (us) please?
 
I didn't follow those earlier cases. And I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. Would you spell it out for me (us) please?


The media's been overselling all that stuff, and it seems as if you've bought in. It doesn't mean that you won't end up right, but they've seemingly gotten you thinking that the NFLPA is going up against some inpenetrable wall, when that's not the case.

There are reasons that most of the legal analysts who've been following this are expecting a win for Brady, after all, and they've all likely read Garvey.

I'm not trying to berate you for your pessimism, or to belittle your takes, in any way. I'm just saying that Garvey isn't the end all/be all in this case.
 
Last edited:
It is near impossible to overturn an arbitrator's ruling and court and so far, since Goodell took over, it has been near impossible not to overturn an arbitrator's ruling. Every time a player takes Goodell the arbitrator to court, they have at least won the initial judgement. Only the two Williams' ended up losing on appeal four years after they won in court and after one of them retired from the game.

Also, people keep pointing to it is near impossible to overturn an arbitrator's ruling, but that applies to impartial arbitrators. Most cases of arbitration under a collective bargaining agreement (including Garvey vs. the MLBPA) had an impartial arbitrator who had no horse in the fight. Rarely do arbitration cases have a partial arbitrator like the NFL has and that means a lot of case law and statistics are out the window. Hence why arbitration cases in general are overturned like 10% of the time while arbitration cases involving the NFL have been overturned 100% of the time in recent years.
 
I think Garvey is going to be VERY hard for Kessler to overcome.

Although Wallach is a lawyer and I'm not, I have read the SC decision and it is pretty stark.

The case of Garvey that led the appellate court to overturn was not just one where the arbitrator refused to credit the later testimony of the former owner of the baseball team when it contradicted earlier testimony. He refused to credit it after having chaired a panel that decided that the earlier testimony was not credible. It was that that the appellate court described as "inexplicable" and "bordering on the irrational" ('in the court’s view, the arbitrator’s refusal to credit Smith’s letter was “inexplicable” and “border[ed] on the irrational,” because a panel of arbitrators, chaired by the arbitrator involved here, had previously concluded that the owners’ prior testimony was false.')

The Supreme Court didn't take issue with that. What it wrote is:

Judicial review of a labor-arbitration decision pursuant to such an agreement is very limited. Courts are not authorized to review the arbitrator’s decision on the merits despite allegations that the decision rests on factual errors or misinterprets the parties’ agreement. Paperworkers v. Misco, Inc.,484 U.S. 29, 36 (1987). We recently reiterated that if an “ ‘arbitrator is even arguably construing or applying the contract and acting within the scope of his authority,’ the fact that ‘a court is convinced he committed serious error does not suffice to overturn his decision.’ ” Eastern Associated Coal Corp. v. Mine Workers, 531 U.S. 57, 62 (2000) (quoting Misco, supra, at 38). It is only when the arbitrator strays from interpretation and application of the agreement and effectively “dispense his own brand of industrial justice” that his decision may be unenforceable. Steelworkers v. Enterprise Wheel & Car Corp., 363 U.S. 593, 597 (1960). When an arbitrator resolves disputes regarding the application of a contract, and no dishonesty is alleged, the arbitrator’s “improvident, even silly, factfinding” does not provide a basis for a reviewing court to refuse to enforce the award. Misco, 484 U.S., at 39.

That is amazingly -- outrageously -- restrictive.

You can say all you want about ****dell's flagrant unfairness and bias -- all the leaks, all the nonsense in the Wells report, the awfulness of not letting Brady see and challenge testimony, and so on -- but, so long as there is no evidence that he was pocketing money from one side to come up with a ruling in their interests ("dishonesty" doesn't just mean being a mendacious weasel) it looks like SCOTUS would uphold him.

Don't get me wrong. I hope that Berman finds a way round this. But my head says it will be very, very hard.

Again this all relates to the arbitrator's decision, not the process. The arbitrator ignored conflicting testimony from an owner that destroyed the credibility of earlier testimony, but the arbitrator did not block the owner with rebuttal testimony from testifying. If the arbitrator did, then the Supreme Court might have ruled for Garvey.

Brady is arguing process, not Goodell's decision. There are plenty of arguments that Kessler is making that have real shots at winning, Garvey or no Garvey:
  • They are arguing this is an equipment violation that is covered under team punishments and not player punishments. Goodell has sweeping power under Article 46 for violations of conduct detrimental to the game. Equipment violations like stickum is not covered under Article 46. If Judge Berman decides this is the case, the NFL cannot hide behind Article 46 and doesn't have sweeping power to punish under the CBA. Equipment violations punishments are collectively bargained by the NFL and the NFLPA.
  • Also, Brady is arguing that he wasn't given his due process since one side had all of Wells' notes and knew what Pash knew and Brady was not allowed access to Pash or the notes. This is where Garvey is not covered and Federal Law of laws of Shop and fairness could supersede the CBA and Article 46.
Judge Berman could rule for the NFL, but several noted legal experts including Daniel Wallach, Steph Stradley, and Gabe Feldman have said that people are misinterpreting the Garvey case when related to this one. Morons like Roger Cosack and Lester Munson are the ones who hold onto the Garvey case like it is impregnable.
 
Last edited:
Status
Not open for further replies.


Monday Patriots Notebook 4/15: News and Notes
Patriots News 4-14, Mock Draft 3.0, Gilmore, Law Rally For Bill 
Potential Patriot: Boston Globe’s Price Talks to Georgia WR McConkey
Friday Patriots Notebook 4/12: News and Notes
Not a First Round Pick? Hoge Doubles Down on Maye
Thursday Patriots Notebook 4/11: News and Notes
MORSE: Patriots Mock Draft #5 and Thoughts About Dugger Signing
Matthew Slater Set For New Role With Patriots
Wednesday Patriots Notebook 4/10: News and Notes
Patriots Draft Rumors: Teams Facing ‘Historic’ Price For Club to Trade Down
Back
Top