Schefter on ESPN radio on Aug 20: "If NFL loses...WHOA..WHOA"

BigPeteG · Aug 30, 2015

ESPN seems wrong on all counts.

1) The NFL still has authority - even if they lose. The NFL is trying to paint this as hey if we lose this arbitration is in trouble - so we can't lose. I think that nonsense. Judge will likely say that the NFL needs to follow the 1925 arbitration act - not just the CBA.

2) NFL will likely lose. I am not a legal expert but when you look at Fed law - it sure seems that Goodell was partial. We all know that's why he didn't let a neutral arbitrator hear the case. The judge knows this too. He felt he might lose if he let someone neutral arbitrate.. That's plainly circumventing how it supposed to work according to Federal Law.

BradyFTW! · Aug 30, 2015

RelocatedPatFan said:
In the end, Goodell is a disposable mouthpiece for the owners (or ruling cabal of owners). For 44 million per year, they won't lack for volunteers to do their dirty work. The big problem is, they'll probably learn and make sure they have a more legally adept mind to rule the ship.

A more legally adept / competent commissioner would likely have some common sense and realize that there are some hills that just aren't worth dying on. Fractions of a PSI of ball pressure is one of them.

There's still a bit of optimist in me that thinks that both sides will learn from this and recognize that one guy can't have this kind of unchecked power, and that maybe a compromise can be hashed out post-Goodell that doesn't require a prolonged work stoppage.

Granted, it could totally go the other way, but it doesn't necessarily have to. There were a lot of perfectly adequate commissioners before Goodell.

QuantumMechanic · Aug 30, 2015

BradyFTW! said:
A more legally adept / competent commissioner would likely have some common sense and realize that there are some hills that just aren't worth dying on. Fractions of a PSI of ball pressure is one of them.

QFT.

Though I think Roger really is too stupid to understand the IGL and still believes some human removed 1.5 PSI from the balls. I really wish some reporter would ask him that straight up -- "specifically what pressure reduction was due to weather and what was due to human action".

Koma · Aug 30, 2015

Rob0729 said:
Isn't ironic that the two ESPN legal analysts feel the NFL have a slam dunk case while virtually every other legal expert either say Brady is definitely going to win or more likely to win.

That's probably a combination of ESPN following the NFL's orders publicity-wise and dumbing things down for the masses. They want a simple, declarative soundbyte for Sportscenter and giving a more nuanced analysis and acknowledging that you can never be sure how a judge will rule (which many of the pro-Brady legal experts have done) isn't going to accomplish that.

Brady_to_Moss · Aug 30, 2015

Oh ESPN guys think it's a slam dunk? Go figure

Bobsyouruncle · Aug 30, 2015

If you read the transcripts it clear the NFL realizes their case against Brady is garbage, and they know Berman realizes it. They don't even really try to make a defense when Berman questions the facts. It basically, "Yeah, Goodell is totally irrational but we deserve the right to be irrational."

Legally, you could say it doesn't matter but I think when you lie, and are generally a scumbag everything you say becomes subject to proof. Nothing is taken for granted without verification. It's just a poor position to argue from.

Kessler says the CBA should be interpreted as A, Nash says if should be interpreted as B.

Okay, I'll believe A until you can show me you aren't lying again.

RayClay · Aug 30, 2015

letekro said:
Schefter has been leaking info from Team Brady for a while now (e.g., that he dominated at the appeal hearing). He has also on a number of occasions (on ESPN and off) said the league botched deflategate in a big way. Schefter is a sharp guy and a UMich alum to boot. He has been a friend throughout so I don't really know what you are talking about.

"New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady is open to accepting some form of suspension, but only if it can be for failing to cooperate with the NFL rather than admitting to the Wells report findings, sources told ESPN’s Adam Schefter on Wednesday.

Even with those parameters, however, league sources said Wednesday that settlement discussions on Brady’s attempt to overturn a four-game suspension have gone “nowhere.”"

http://boston.suntimes.com/bos-spor...t-tom-brady-willing-accept-reduced-suspension

letekro · Aug 30, 2015

RayClay said:
"New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady is open to accepting some form of suspension, but only if it can be for failing to cooperate with the NFL rather than admitting to the Wells report findings, sources told ESPN’s Adam Schefter on Wednesday.

Even with those parameters, however, league sources said Wednesday that settlement discussions on Brady’s attempt to overturn a four-game suspension have gone “nowhere.”"

http://boston.suntimes.com/bos-spor...t-tom-brady-willing-accept-reduced-suspension

The first paragraph obviously comes from Team Brady and makes him look good for trying to settle. The second is specifically sourced from the league and it makes them look bad because it implies they are not trying to settle. What am I missing here? Schefter has been pro-Brady from early on in this.

RayClay · Aug 30, 2015

letekro said:
The first paragraph obviously comes from Team Brady and makes him look good for trying to settle. The second is specifically sourced from the league and it makes them look bad because it implies they are not trying to settle. What am I missing here? Schefter has been pro-Brady from early on in this.

The story is fake. It didn't come from Tom Brady did it?

Brandon_Cox · Aug 30, 2015

With respect, I don't think Schefter has been pro-Brady. He's just been pro-truth, which makes him seem like he's pro-Brady.

RayClay · Aug 30, 2015

letekro said:
The first paragraph obviously comes from Team Brady and makes him look good for trying to settle. The second is specifically sourced from the league and it makes them look bad because it implies they are not trying to settle. What am I missing here? Schefter has been pro-Brady from early on in this.

So, the first PP comes from team Brady? Why then, did team Brady tell Zolak the opposite and the "leaked" story [my intrpretation] died soon after?

Adam Schefter of ESPN reported early Wednesday that Brady is actually willing to accept "some form of suspension" as long as it is only for failing to cooperate with the NFL and in no way involves an admission of guilt for the illegal deflation of footballs.

Meanwhile, former Patriots quarterback and current radio analyst Scott Zolak called into the Felger & Mazz show on Tuesday to discuss some of what he's hearing out of Brady's camp at this point.

"He's not happy," said Zolak, per CSN New England. "The Wells Report is getting shoved down his throat and he doesn't like it. And he's not signing off on it. Ever."

Per Zolak, via CSN, Brady considers acceptance of even a single game suspension as an admission of guilt. Zolak also denied a recent report from Ben Volin of the Boston Globe suggesting that the NFL and Goodell may have more evidence against Brady that they are withholding from the public."

RayClay · Aug 30, 2015

The Boston Herald’s Jeff Howe and NFL Media’s Ian Rapoport reported Wednesday afternoon Brady has no plans to accept a suspension. That’s contrary to a report by ESPN’s Adam Schefter, citing “league sources,” from Wednesday morning that Brady was willing to accept “some form of suspension” if framed as being for a failure to cooperate. The New England Patriots quarterback was unwilling to admit to the Wells Report findings, however, according to Schefter. Howe, citing a source, reported “Brady is not preparing to accept a suspension as part of a settlement with the NFL.” Rapoport, citing two “sources informed of Tom Brady’s thinking,” tweeted Brady’s “stance hasn’t changed. Not willing to accept any suspension in settlement at this point.”

Read more at: http://nesn.com/2015/08/reports-tom-brady-not-planning-to-accept-suspension-in-settlement/

letekro · Aug 30, 2015

Ray, first, the nesn article is wrong in that it says Schefter cited "league sources" that Brady was willing to be suspended for noncooperation only. That is just false and doesn't make sense because the story gives the impression that Brady (i) is taking a principled stand against the report but (ii) is trying to settle the case. These are both good things for Brady. Second, why do you think the Howe and Rapoport sources are better than Schefter's? Third, it is clearly possible that Schefter's report came from someone within Team Brady but that it was not Team Brady's official position, which was later leaked to the other reporters. None of this suggests in any way that Schefter is a tool for the league or anything else hostile to Brady.

RayClay · Aug 30, 2015

letekro said:
Ray, first, the nesn article is wrong in that it says Schefter cited "league sources" that Brady was willing to be suspended for noncooperation only. That is just false and doesn't make sense because the story gives the impression that Brady (i) is taking a principled stand against the report but (ii) is trying to settle the case. These are both good things for Brady. Second, why do you think the Howe and Rapoport sources are better than Schefter's? Third, it is clearly possible that Schefter's report came from someone within Team Brady but that it was not Team Brady's official position, which was later leaked to the other reporters. None of this suggests in any way that Schefter is a tool for the league or anything else hostile to Brady.

He doesn't cite a source close to Brady, he says "Adam Schefter of ESPN reported early Wednesday that Brady is actually willing to accept...

Do you really think Brady takes time out of his schedule to personally give stories to Schefter that make him look like he's admitting he should be suspended?

I think Howe and Rappaport, both current or former patriot beat writers, and Zolak, Patriots announcer and former quarterback, do have better local sources than national writers.

RayClay · Aug 30, 2015

New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady is open to accepting some form of suspension, but only if it can be for failing to cooperate with the NFL rather than admitting to the Wells report findings, league sources told ESPN’s Adam Schefter on Wednesday.

Even with those parameters, however, league sources said Wednesday that settlement discussions on Brady’s attempt to overturn a four-game suspension have gone “nowhere.

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http://farinside.com/tag/adam-schefter/

You have to watch those ESPN "stories. They tend to change from "league sources" to "sources" to "I expect you to believe Brady himself told me."

ESPN has more leaks than a frozen pipe.

RayClay · Aug 30, 2015

ESPN thinks it's slick, but even it's own parent company, though they have the new tag line, forgets to change the original story.

Source: Tom Brady open to ban for failing to cooperate; settlement talks at impasse
Aug 19, 2015, 8:42 AM ET
ESPN.com news services
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New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady is open to accepting some form of suspension, but only if it can be for failing to cooperate with the NFL rather than admitting to the Wells Report findings, league sources told ESPN's Adam Schefter on Wednesday.

Even with those parameters, however, league sources said Wednesday that settlement discussions on the star quarterback's attempt to overturn a four-game suspension have gone "nowhere."

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/source...ailing-cooperate-settlement/story?id=33175268

BradyFTW! · Aug 30, 2015

Schefter hasn't been anything close to pro-Brady. He just hasn't been specifically anti-Brady either, which puts him on the Brady side of center.

Schefter is the most connected reporter in the business. He knows that he just doesn't have to whore himself out to agenda-driven sources, because he has reach and credibility that others don't have. It's a self-perpetuating cycle at this point.

He does occasionally get a story wrong, because occasionally sources are wrong. But at least he owns it, as opposed to ****heads like Mort.

RayClay · Aug 30, 2015

BradyFTW! said:
Schefter hasn't been anything close to pro-Brady. He just hasn't been specifically anti-Brady either, which puts him on the Brady side of center.

Schefter is the most connected reporter in the business. He knows that he just doesn't have to whore himself out to agenda-driven sources, because he has reach and credibility that others don't have. It's a self-perpetuating cycle at this point.

He does occasionally get a story wrong, because occasionally sources are wrong. But at least he owns it, as opposed to ****heads like Mort.

I have no problem with the guy, he values his reputation. However, ESPN signs his paycheck and it looks like they gave him a story that made Brady look like he was giving in.

They've quashed quite a bit of what reiss writes too, I'm guessing. His column went missing for a week at the height of this and was filled with propaganda from goodell.

Hey Virginia, there ain't no Santa Claus.

Gumby · Aug 30, 2015

RayClay said:
ESPN thinks it's slick, but even it's own parent company, though they have the new tag line, forgets to change the original story.

Source: Tom Brady open to ban for failing to cooperate; settlement talks at impasse
Aug 19, 2015, 8:42 AM ET
ESPN.com news services
ESPNAPI_IMG_NO_ALTEXT_Value

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/source...ailing-cooperate-settlement/story?id=33175268

Excellent 'investigative reporting' (the thing that's been awol at espn for years now) on your part, Ray.

In POSSIBLE Shefter defense, removal of the word " league" twice from the story is the kind of thing the bspn corporate suits (through the editor) could have done without shefter getting a vote.

RayClay · Aug 30, 2015

Gumby said:
Excellent 'investigative reporting' (the thing that's been awol at espn for years now) on your part, Ray.

In POSSIBLE Shefter defense, removal of the word " league" twice from the story is the kind of thing the bspn corporate suits (through the editor) could have done without shefter getting a vote.

He leaked a made up story, though.

Kessler told the judge what they'd settle on and it wasn't any suspension, it was a fine.

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