Court case stuff August 31, 2015

flasox27 · Aug 30, 2015

patsfan13 said:
Berman's ruling will weigh large. The Judge will be invalidating the charge in the eyes of most fans, the haters will hate but they would ever if Brady wins a defamation suit the showed the conspiracy.

What you say may be true in New England, however I live in Florida and work with educated people and regardless of what Berman says, the battle for the hearts and minds of the other 31 teams' fans was lost in 2007.

NJPatsfan26 · Aug 30, 2015

JMC00 said:
That Berman overstepped legally and the appeals court will overrule him.

if the NFL does loose tomorrow, do you think the other 31 will be behind Goodell attempting to appeal it ir just tell him to let it go and move on.....

JMC00 · Aug 30, 2015

NJPatsfan26 said:
if the NFL does loose tomorrow, do you think the other 31 will be behind Goodell attempting to appeal it ir just tell him to let it go and move on.....

I think some owners want ****dell to take this as far as he has to and there are some owners that are indifferent but are open to being sold on the fact that this needs to end with nfl looking like it won.

I'd guess there are maybe 5-6 owners would want him to end it if the judge rules for Brady, same 5-6 that want ****dell to just settle and end it.

flasox27 · Aug 30, 2015

NJPatsfan26 said:
if the NFL does loose tomorrow, do you think the other 31 will be behind Goodell attempting to appeal it ir just tell him to let it go and move on.....

Absolutely appeal, this case is about commissioner's authority no matter what biased POS is in office.

NJPatsfan26 · Aug 30, 2015

JMC00 said:
I think some owners want ****dell to take this as far as he has to and there are some owners that are indifferent but are open to being sold on the fact that this needs to end with nfl looking like it won.

throughout all of this, i really dont see how the NFL* could win. Even if Judge Berman rules for them tomorrow, the decision will be appealed by Brady, his lawyers and the NFLPA.

manxman2601 · Aug 30, 2015

Fencer said:
McCann has a good article written before Monday's proceedings, but nothing in it is both new and major. http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/08/29/deflategate-brady-nfl-nflpa-third-district-court-hearing

He cleans up our understanding of what a ruling "from the bench" would entail. He speculates about various appeal scenarios.

This was excellent and what I take from this is that there's no way Brady misses any games this year because even if Berman doesn't vacate, Brady's pretty much guaranteed a stay, pending an appeal. I suppose there's a possibility that he could serve a suspension later in the season if there's a quick appeal which the NFL wins but such a quick turnaround seems unlikely.

manxman2601 · Aug 30, 2015

Can you imagine the sh!t show if this happens:

But the NFL could still complicate Brady’s eligibility to play games. Specifically, the NFL could seek to punish Brady again, since the vacating of Goodell’s decision and the lifting of Brady’s suspension would not automatically prevent the NFL from launching a new disciplinary investigation.

Edit: And forgive me if all this has been discussed before - I'm sure it has.

XLIX · Aug 30, 2015

This article speaks to a point I have (feebly) tried to make. A lot of people talk about courts not wanting to waste their time on such trivial matters as the one we have here. IANAL, but I consider this a very important matter for courts to look at.

I don't mean the fractions of pounds per square inch is an important matter, but rather courts may want to rule on the overall legality of a situation whereby one guy, who is clearly obscenely biased, has been given so much authority to act as investigator, prosecutor, judge, jury, executioner and arbiter.

Archeryaddict12 · Aug 30, 2015

Man I really want Brady to win. But this thing has been a **** show and his legacy is on the line right now. Man I hope that the NFL doesn't win this case

RayClay · Aug 30, 2015

Nonentity said:
ESPN article, non-Reiss, close page.

It's useful for knowing what the league 'is thinking', since the entire piece may as well have been written by a NFL flunky, but there's no actual news in the article...

Or, at least, edited by Pash.

gitgronked82 · Aug 30, 2015

What day do you guys think is the most likely day the decision comes out?

Concussion Protocol · Aug 30, 2015

flasox27 said:
What you say may be true in New England, however I live in Florida and work with educated people and regardless of what Berman says, the battle for the hearts and minds of the other 31 teams' fans was lost in 2007.

The Patriots were despised well before 2007. Their first championship was won because of a bad call in the Snow Bowl (actually the call was correct) and their next championship was won because they got away with pass interference vs the Colts (not at all, so change the rules). Once there were no more excuses, the haters fell back into the Helms Deep of bitter sports fans by claiming the Pats may be good, but they're "classless" (Mangini handshake, celebrating at midfield in SD after a win). No, they were hated simply for being successful, and no hearts or minds were going to embrace them. 2007 just gave them the ammunition to finally piss off Pats fans, so really the "damage" is only as bad as we allow it to be.

XLIX · Aug 30, 2015

gitgronked82 said:
What day do you guys think is the most likely day the decision comes out?

I'll stick with Friday. :-/

raduray · Aug 30, 2015

I've asked this question several times and haven't received an answer, so here I go again. Why is it that Kessler did not bring up the misrepresentation of testimony in Goodell's appeal finding? To me, that, coupled with his previous lies to Judge Jones in the Rice Case, would be grounds for evident partiality.

flasox27 · Aug 30, 2015

Concussion Protocol said:
The Patriots were despised well before 2007. Their first championship was won because of a bad call in the Snow Bowl (actually the call was correct) and their next championship was won because they got away with pass interference vs the Colts (not at all, so change the rules). Once there were no more excuses, the haters fell back into the Helms Deep of bitter sports fans by claiming the Pats may be good, but they're "classless" (Mangini handshake, celebrating at midfield in SD after a win). No, they were hated simply for being successful, and no hearts or minds were going to embrace them. 2007 just gave them the ammunition to finally piss off Pats fans, so really the "damage" is only as bad as we allow it to be.

I disagree. Only the Oakland fans were upset by the tuck ruling and most other fans thought they were jerks and the same for the whining Colt fans and their holier than thou coach. Until 2007, the Patriots were considered the model franchise with the coverboy quarterback and the genius coach even here in Florida. It was the effort of the POS biased commissioner trying to assert his authority illegitimately and the passive acceptance by the Pats owner of the completely excessive punishment with the accompanying media lies that destroyed the Pats' reputation. Everything subsequent to that was just icing on the cake.

YOUGOTMOSSED · Aug 30, 2015

NJPatsfan26 said:
throughout all of this, i really dont see how the NFL* could win. Even if Judge Berman rules for them tomorrow, the decision will be appealed by Brady, his lawyers and the NFLPA.

Not to mention, the next CBA labor negotiations are going to be a disaster. Regardless of how the court rules, I can't see the NFLPA giving the commissioner this much discretion ever again. If they lose, it's going to make negotiating this point that much more of a bone of contention.

Deus Irae · Aug 30, 2015

YOUGOTMOSSED said:
Not to mention, the next CBA labor negotiations are going to be a disaster. Regardless of how the court rules, I can't see the NFLPA giving the commissioner this much discretion ever again. If they lose, it's going to make negotiating this point that much more of a bone of contention.

D. Smith got his ass handed to him in the CBA negotiations, yet the players have kept him on. Don't be too sure that the next CBA negotiations will go any differently. NFL players are idiots, when it comes to this stuff.

Gronkowski123 · Aug 30, 2015

manxman2601 said:
Can you imagine the sh!t show if this happens:

Edit: And forgive me if all this has been discussed before - I'm sure it has.

i could see goodell pulling a stunt like this right before the season starts if they lose tomorrow.
if brady loses, what are the chances he succeeds at getting an injunction?

SHOWTIME15 · Aug 30, 2015

the only answer to the haters: 19-0

YOUGOTMOSSED · Aug 30, 2015

manxman2601 said:
This was excellent and what I take from this is that there's no way Brady misses any games this year because even if Berman doesn't vacate, Brady's pretty much guaranteed a stay, pending an appeal. I suppose there's a possibility that he could serve a suspension later in the season if there's a quick appeal which the NFL wins but such a quick turnaround seems unlikely.

An appellate stay is hardly a guarantee and it doesn't stop this lunatic commissioner from finding some other way to screw us.

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