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My theory is that between the complicated offense, and the extremely demanding and high pressure environment, this team is not young wide reciever friendly. I think we could second guess draft choices all day, but truth be told, I'm not so sure even a monster like Bryant could handle it in New England. I don't believe every reciever we draft sucks, I just think it's an uphill battle for the reasons I've stated.

If this were actually the case, why don't any of them (except kind of Brandon Tate, I guess) go on to do anything else in simpler/lower-pressure situations?

Kenbrell Thompkins, for example, is barely hanging on Oakland's roster.
 
If this were actually the case, why don't any of them (except kind of Brandon Tate, I guess) go on to do anything else in simpler/lower-pressure situations?

Kenbrell Thompkins, for example, is barely hanging on Oakland's roster.

That's a good point but kind of a bad player to use as an example. Thompkins was an undrafted 26 year old scrub with a very low ceiling coming into New England. No offense I liked the kid.

I can't think of too many recievers who fail with their first team then go light it up with their second team. To be honest, I can't think of many NFL players who are unsuccessful coming out of the draft then make it with another team. Leaguewide, not just New England. As someone said earlier in the thread, confidence is a big part of playing in the NFL. I also don't think it's a league for second chances if you've never had success.
 
Gunna have to disagree with the general consensus here after watching the first int in super slow mo.
-Dobson had Tillman well beat and Tom put the ball in a position where the db could make a play and the vet made it.
-Dobson had to stop his momentum , turn back the other way to grab the ball, which he did for a split-second But it was right in Tillman's face and the moment the ball hit Dobson's hands he swatted his arm and knocked it loose.
-Dobson continued trying to regain possession to the ground but Tillman/Tillman's arm was in better position to secure it.

Let's face it if those interceptions were thrown by Jimmy , Dobson wouldn't be getting nearly this much grief over it. The GOAT is not incapable of a few poor plays people. Also would like to add that through Dobson's thus-far disappointing career here, I have seen what happened to him numerous times last night, happen quite a few times. He beats coverage and the throw is off the mark. I attribute it to the fact we are used to throwing to 5'9" shifty guys not 6'3" guys with actual speed. Throws consistently end up behind him.


That is a great point.
 
This has turned into a bit of a BS thread. This was Dobson's first preseason game. All I need him to do at this point is to stay healthy and continue to progress. That interception throw was not a clear cut fail on Dobson's part it was a questionable throw combined with a great play by the DB.

I am not ruling him in as a significant deep threat but I am definitely not ruling him out because of that play or that game.
 
I am still holding out hope for him...give him 1 more year...see what he oes
 
Yes, it was. We can't have a serious and honest discussion about this guy if people are going to be defending him about plays like that.

Yeah, I agree. You can make yourself see anything when you watch a play over and over again and come to all kinds of conclusions. The bottom line is he could have and should have fought for the ball more on the play. Whether it's a case of low confidence, lack of heart or simply a guy trying to reacquaint himself to the game after missing so much time, he simply did not put in the kind of effort to snatch that ball that an NFL receiver needs to make. There is no doubt the DB made a heck of a play and maybe Tom could have placed the ball better. But again, this is the NFL and the windows to get the ball in the receiver's hands are a lot smaller than in college. You can only expect a perfect throw a few times a game at this level, even for the greats like Brady. I think it's reasonable to expect a guy with Dobson's physical gifts (and somewhat high draft status) to make that play more often than not.

I do not hate Dobson at all. I am not thrilled with him, but I do not dislike him. I do not want to see him cut or traded, as some have proposed. I just want more out of him. At what point will it click? I guess only time will tell. I am hoping that the kid can stay healthy and that Tom does not freeze him out as we've seen in the past with other guys. He really needs a few plays to go right and I think he can get there. I feel this way based on how he started to come on toward the end of his rookie season prior to the foot. He has the physical makings of a good receiver. He just has to build his awareness, get some more confidence and, for the love of football, STAY ON THE FIELD.
 
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Yes, it was. We can't have a serious and honest discussion about this guy if people are going to be defending him about plays like that.

Honestly. People are twisting themselves into pretzels trying to justify Dobson on that play.

If he catches the ball CLEAN (since it hit him in the hands), then none of the rest of this discussion would matter.

But he didn't. He juggled it and didn't fight for the ball once the DB had his hands on it.

The throw was fine.

Now, the 2nd INT was all on Brady, staring down the receiver like he's a freshman in college.
 
Unless the pass is placed right in his belly (which negates his height advantage) and/or he is uncontested,
the chances are less than 50/50 that he will make the catch. That is to me a clear sign that he does not subconsciously want it badly enough. Compare him to somebody like Edelman, who plays as if he would rather die than cause an incompletion.

Despite his great 40-yard dash, including a 1.52 10-yard split, and his OK short-shuttle & 3-cone times,
he appears slower on the field for whatever reason. He couldn't really put enough daylight between him
and grizzled vet Peanut Tillman to prevent Tillman from having a chance to break up the pass, a chance
he should not have had anyway if Dobson & his 9" hands had secured the ball upon contact.

Dobson to me is failing the physical test, the emotional test, the psychological test and the field awareness test. He doesn't appear to know how to take fullest advantage of his natural skills, he appears more sad than angry after an INC or INT, he shows hesitation in his game that allows DBs to hang with him earlier and longer than they should, and frankly football doesn't seem as important to him as it needs to be.
That last critique might be considered purely conjectural (and it is, of course), but I've seen a lot of guys
come and go both in NE and the league, and IMO Dropson simply does not have what it takes to play a
significant role in this offense on this team.

There is a saying in business that goes: I don't blame you, I blame the one that hired you. I suppose that had he been drafted in Boyce's spot where his talent suggested and Bill had drafted Keenan Allen like he should have, I would cut him more slack because at least we would have one young WR with a future here, and Dropson could attempt to make a go of it more in the shadows than he is currently doing.
Oh please football gods, i am praying for Dobson to be healty this year so that we can end this debate bout him being a bust
 
Honestly. People are twisting themselves into pretzels trying to justify Dobson on that play.

If he catches the ball CLEAN (since it hit him in the hands), then none of the rest of this discussion would matter.

But he didn't. He juggled it and didn't fight for the ball once the DB had his hands on it.

The throw was fine.

Now, the 2nd INT was all on Brady, staring down the receiver like he's a freshman in college.

I'm not sure how much of that second INT was on Brady. Go back and watch Dobson on his route. Fauria noted some issues with it that I'd also seen (cut not precise, Dobson half-assed it post-cut, Dobson drifted post-cut instead of coming back a bit). Brady was pissed, but I couldn't tell if he was pissed at himself for staring down the play, at Dobson for his route, or both.
 
Honestly. People are twisting themselves into pretzels trying to justify Dobson on that play.

If he catches the ball CLEAN (since it hit him in the hands), then none of the rest of this discussion would matter.

But he didn't. He juggled it and didn't fight for the ball once the DB had his hands on it.

The throw was fine.

Now, the 2nd INT was all on Brady, staring down the receiver like he's a freshman in college.
I agree with everything you stated. I highlighted the one part because this has plagued him since he has been in the NFL. It's so weird how he almost never cleanly catches the football. Even on the 40-yarder, he juggled a well thrown ball and he was WIDE open. I just don't get it considering he was heralded for his hands coming out of Marshall. It's so frustrating to see it happen so often at this level.

I'll give Brady a pass in the sense that I don't think he makes that play in the regular season. He either looks to a different receiver or he throws it at the receiver's feet. And as Deus stated, I really wonder if Dobson could have played that one better as well. I really think there is some effort to try to force the ball to this kid to build some momentum. He needs as many footballs thrown his way as possible to get this guy up to speed. He is lacking somewhere and I just can't quite put my finger on it. Is is a confidence issue? Is it an issue of him needing to get familiar with game speed again? What is it with this kid that he has not yet put it all together?
 
Gunna have to disagree with the general consensus here after watching the first int in super slow mo.
  1. Dobson had Tillman well beat and Tom put the ball in a position where the db could make a play and the vet made it.
  2. Dobson had to stop his momentum , turn back the other way to grab the ball, which he did for a split-second But it was right in Tillman's face and the moment the ball hit Dobson's hands he swatted his arm and knocked it loose.
  3. Dobson continued trying to regain possession to the ground but Tillman/Tillman's arm was in better position to secure it.
Let's face it if those interceptions were thrown by Jimmy , Dobson wouldn't be getting nearly this much grief over it. The GOAT is not incapable of a few poor plays people. Also would like to add that through Dobson's thus-far disappointing career here, I have seen what happened to him numerous times last night, happen quite a few times. He beats coverage and the throw is off the mark. I attribute it to the fact we are used to throwing to 5'9" shifty guys not 6'3" guys with actual speed. Throws consistently end up behind him.
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Doesn't prove/disprove anything I guess but just figured I'd add these.
 
That's the thing about good WR's though. They don't need a perfect pass to make a catch.

I agree when a WR gets both hands to the ball he should make the catch. I guess you think Welker wasn't a good WR.

I do believe Dobson has a lot to prove and I don't hold a lot of hope for him to do it. Drafted WR's here, sadly don't amount to much normally. I'd love any WR we draft to be the next Branch but the reality is in the last 10 years we have drafted 9 WR's if you count Edelman. Edelman is the only one to have made it here then next best of the 9 is Slater. Good luck to the kid though I hope he is able to put it together and make it.
 
I'll give Brady a pass in the sense that I don't think he makes that play in the regular season. He either looks to a different receiver or he throws it at the receiver's feet. And as Deus stated, I really wonder if Dobson could have played that one better as well. I really think there is some effort to try to force the ball to this kid to build some momentum. He needs as many footballs thrown his way as possible to get this guy up to speed. He is lacking somewhere and I just can't quite put my finger on it. Is is a confidence issue? Is it an issue of him needing to get familiar with game speed again? What is it with this kid that he has not yet put it all together?

That is exactly it! You explained it better than I could have.

It was said (as a form of comparison) of Edelman that he couldn't run a route to save his life earlier in his career, and look where he is now. The problem with using this philosophy to give Dobson extended opportunities is that, as unrefined as Edelman was in his earlier years, there was still no mistaking the fire he had. You could tell right off that Edelman was very competitive.

Not sure I see this with Dobson. He may have the talent and the physical tool, but is the desire there? Is the killer instinct there?

You either have it or you don't.
 
Honestly. People are twisting themselves into pretzels trying to justify Dobson on that play.

If he catches the ball CLEAN (since it hit him in the hands), then none of the rest of this discussion would matter.

But he didn't. He juggled it and didn't fight for the ball once the DB had his hands on it.

The throw was fine.

Now, the 2nd INT was all on Brady, staring down the receiver like he's a freshman in college.


It appears that the DB had his hand on the Ball (or on Dobson's hand) at the same time Dobson was trying to catch the ball. Not an easy catch and not one I would use to determine Dobson's value.

I really cannot understand this discussion. Again I am not either bought or sold on Dobson but to criticize him on that play is unbelievable.

If you want to argue route running....fine.....because I don't know where he should have been but to argue that he should have made that catch is beyond me.
 
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Obviously any rational person can see in the picture that the DB is in far better position to make the catch, which is what happened.


It's pretty clear from the picture above that the DBs arm actually bent the space time continuum and passed through Dobson's hand preventing him from catching it. Also, the part where the ball is between Dobson's hands, that's not real, probably CGI.
 
Yes, Brady could have put it in front of him a little more, but also Dobson should make that catch. The problem with this is that the ball popping out of his hands when he initially caught it and having to recatch it is what allowed Tillman to make the play.
 
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