Running Back and Fullback - Help From Other Teams

Zuma said:

Develin was used just 19% of total plays last year at FB. I think BB may try to use Hooman or an O-lineman until he is back.

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I agree. While I have a high appreciation for what James Devlin does, I think some people here are taking this loss way overboard.

The team will miss every player they lose to injury, but they'll find a way to muddle through until Devlin sees the field again. It's possible that they bring in another FB. Who knows?

PatsBoy12 said:

The coaches often see and consider things that the average fan cannot and doesn't.

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I'll have you know that I test out in the 72% percentile as a fan.

supafly said:

I agree. While I have a high appreciation for what James Devlin does, I think some people here are taking this loss way overboard.

The team will miss every player they lose to injury, but they'll find a way to muddle through until Devlin sees the field again. It's possible that they bring in another FB. Who knows?

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In reading through some of the threads, it seems fans are more concerned about the loss of a tough, solid locker room guy than a player who has a critical role in this offense.

Develin was an outstanding lead blocker. Not Sam Gash level but he was good. He also did a nice job on kickoff team. Some games he had an impact. Some not at all. He had a nice toughness about him. Its a tough loss but certainly not one that'll prevent them from winning the SB.

robertweathers said:

In reading through some of the threads, it seems fans are more concerned about the loss of a tough, solid locker room guy than a player who has a critical role in this offense.

Develin was an outstanding lead blocker. Not Sam Gash level but he was good. He also did a nice job on kickoffs. Some games he had an impact. Some not at all. He had a nice toughness about him. Its a tough loss but certainly not one that'll prevent them from winning the SB.

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Yes, I'm not meaning to downplay Devlin's ability, just that I think some of the comments about Belichick leaving him in the game with 6 minutes left are a bit over the top.

As noted, we're talking about a role player who had participated in less than 20 percent of the snaps last season. Those kinds of guys are going to be in the game. Hopefully, Devlin is able to return this season, although I'm not counting on it.

supafly said:

Yes, I'm not meaning to downplay Devlin's ability, just that I think some of the comments about Belichick leaving him in the game with 6 minutes left are a bit over the top.

As noted, we're talking about a role player who had participated in less than 20 percent of the snaps last season. Those kinds of guys are going to be in the game. Hopefully, Devlin is able to return this season, although I'm not counting on it.

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Yep. I'm playing Trapper John MD here and according to this it's a 4-6 month recovery. It also depends on the type of break. If he needed a rod & screws hes gone till 2016

http://orthoinfo.aaos.org/topic.cfm?topic=A00522

robertweathers said:

Yep. I'm playing Trapper John MD here and according to this it's a 4-6 month recovery. It also depends on the type of break. If he needed a rod & screws hes gone till 2016

http://orthoinfo.aaos.org/topic.cfm?topic=A00522

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I'm just not seeing the value in using the IR-DTR on Devlin, no matter what. Obviously, some will disagree with this, but odds are that we'll need to use it on someone who contributes more and plays a bigger role.

By the end of Sept., we're almost sure to have an injury that fits that criteria.

supafly said:

I'm just not seeing the value in using the IR-DTR on Devlin, no matter what. Obviously, some will disagree with this, but odds are that we'll need to use it on someone who contributes more and plays a bigger role.

By the end of Sept., we're almost sure to have an injury that fits that criteria.

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If its between LaFell and Develin you pick LeFell every day and twice on Sunday.

Is the end of Sept the use it or lose it date? I can't keep track of all the different stipulations and rules anymore.

robertweathers said:

If its between LaFell and Develin you pick LeFell every day and twice on Sunday.

Is the end of Sept the use it or lose it date? I can't keep track of all the different stipulations and rules anymore.

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Well, LaFell could just stay on the PUP--meaning that he'd have to miss the first 6 weeks of the season. Since he hasn't practiced, he's already on PUP. They would simply move him to "in season" PUP.

I brought up the late Sept. date since that's when we used it on Siliga last season, but after reviewing the rules, it doesn't appear that there is a cutoff, unless you take into consideration the fact that the IR-DTR player must miss at least 8 weeks; therefore, mid-season would seem to be the logical deadline.

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/...hat_it_means_to_giants_ol_geoff_schwartz.html

supafly said:

Well, LaFell could just stay on the PUP--meaning that he'd have to miss the first 6 weeks of the season. Since he hasn't practiced, he's already on PUP. They would simply move him to "in season" PUP.

I brought up the late Sept. date since that's when we used it on Siliga last season, but after reviewing the rules, it doesn't appear that there is a cutoff, unless you take into consideration the fact that the IR-DTR player must miss at least 8 weeks; therefore, mid-season would seem to be the logical deadline.

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/...hat_it_means_to_giants_ol_geoff_schwartz.html

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Right on LaFell. I keep forgetting he hasn't practiced a day,

Yep- Looks like there is no expiration date.

supafly said:

I'm just not seeing the value in using the IR-DTR on Devlin, no matter what. Obviously, some will disagree with this, but odds are that we'll need to use it on someone who contributes more and plays a bigger role.

By the end of Sept., we're almost sure to have an injury that fits that criteria.

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I mean, they used it on Siliga last year, a rotational interior D-Lineman. I'd say Develin has at least as big of a role as that.

TommyD4207 said:

I mean, they used it on Siliga last year, a rotational interior D-Lineman. I'd say Develin has at least as big of a role as that.

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I don't know if he does or not, but I can respect why you'd think that way.

In Siliga's case, he was pretty much a starter and had already proven his value in the rotation--at a position (DL), where the term "starter" doesn't have as much meaning.

In the case of Devlin, he appeared in 1.9 out of every 10 plays last year. To me, that points to someone they can move on from without too much of a dropoff. While his blocking on those 19 percent snaps was important, we're talking about a guy who averages 2 carries a year, to go along with 3 catches. The truth of the matter is that someone else should be able to realistically step in and do just fine.

Siliga, OTOH, was an all-important big body that was vital in helping to stop the run, and who we needed as a rotational (or otherwise) DL. He provided much more value, but that's just my opinion. Perhaps Belichick feels differently?

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I don't know if he does or not, but I can respect why you'd think that way.

In Siliga's case, he was pretty much a starter and had already proven his value in the rotation--at a position (DL), where the term "starter" doesn't have as much meaning.

In the case of Devlin, he appeared in 1.9 out of every 10 plays last year. To me, that points to someone they can move on from without too much of a dropoff. While his blocking on those 19 percent snaps was important, we're talking about a guy who averages 2 carries a year, to go along with 3 catches. The truth of the matter is that someone else should be able to realistically step in and do just fine.

Siliga, OTOH, was an all-important big body that was vital in helping to stop the run, and who we needed as a rotational (or otherwise) DL. He provided much more value, but that's just my opinion. Perhaps Belichick feels differently?

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I'm not one who's saying Develin is irreplaceable, he's not, IMO. I'm just saying Siliga was a role player, and Belichick used the IR-DTR on him - I see no reason to "save" the designation, especially since it means you might be able to keep a Cadet or a Krause or a Swanson or someone (examples) in the interim.

Let's experiment with Logan Ryan at FB and see how he holds up.

TommyD4207 said:

I'm not one who's saying Develin is irreplaceable, he's not, IMO. I'm just saying Siliga was a role player, and Belichick used the IR-DTR on him - I see no reason to "save" the designation, especially since it means you might be able to keep a Cadet or a Krause or a Swanson or someone (examples) in the interim.

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Yeah, there are pros and cons to both sides of the debate. Personally, I think that it frees up a spot for a more important type of player who will almost certainly fall into the category throughout the first 6-8 weeks. That's how Belichick has handled it the past 2 seasons.

Who knows though? Maybe he puts someone on it 9/6, right off the bat? I just don't see why you'd rather have a guy like the examples which you provided, where you would simply IR them? Again, not meaning to discourage your stance. Just a different opinion, that's all.

I think develin's value is in the player, not the role. They don't use a full back often and could go without one, like they have may years. Blocking TE.